Obama EPA releases Bush-era global warming finding

Source: Associated Press

A controversial e-mail message buried by the Bush administration because of its conclusions on global warming surfaced Tuesday, nearly two years after it was first sent to the White House and never opened.

The e-mail and the 28-page document attached to it, released Tuesday by the Environmental Protection Agency, show that back in December of 2007 the agency concluded that six gases linked to global warming pose dangers to public welfare, and wanted to take steps to regulate their release from automobiles and the burning of gasoline.

The document specifically cites global warming's effects on air quality, agriculture, forestry, water resources and coastal areas as endangering public welfare.

That finding was rejected by the Bush White House, which strongly opposed using the Clean Air Act to address climate change and stalled on producing a so-called "endangerment finding" that had been ordered by the Supreme Court in 2007.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091014/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_bush_global_warming_3

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Bush-era EPA document on climate change released
The 2007 draft suppressed until now calls for regulation of greenhouse gases, citing global warming as a serious risk to the U.S. A finding by the Obama administration is nearly identical
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-epa-climate14-2009oct14,0,4010488.story

support for Climate Change Legislation?

The clock is ticking.

But the URGENT pile keeps growing in our President's IN box.

...I see no point in seeking their votes.

Global Climate Change and will do something about it..your snark post aside.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Streaming-Now-Climate-Change-Impacts-Across-America-Renewed-Focus-for-Decisions/

Do they hate Gore , or what ?

The reason is that they're in it for themselves. Screw everyone else, so long as "I" am rich and powerful.

before everybody else is left with a non breathable world, WOW, just WOW .

They don't give a shit about us. They don't care about anything but padding their bottom line. So long as they're doing fine, they couldn't care if we exist or not.

Basic principles of Bush Republicans:

1) Greed is good. The profit motive always leads to what is best.
2) Selfishness is good. Ayn Rand said so.
3) Government can't do anything right. (At least, not if a Republican is President.)

The conclusion they reach from these principles is that government should never interfere with business. Government can co-operate with business, like, say, when business wants to raid the Treasury. Government shouldn't "burden" businesses with regulations, though, such as "Don't poison the air we all breathe."

So, if they admit greenhouse gases released by people could have (are having) a detrimental effect on the whole wide world, they would have to admit that business activities do pollute the air, and that the government ought to do something about it. Since such admissions would violate some of their core beliefs, they choose to ignore the facts and deny reality. Then they call this "standing up for their principles."

with an SUV an a big-assed AMG Mercedes dropping off kids at school ten miles away and commuting to work 35 miles one-way still wants to hear NOTHING about potential lifestyle changes...this mindset of course makes up the bulk of Bush's base...I used to post on a lot of car boards, and you should have seen how widespread the "Gore/Kerrey is gonna take your SUV or musclecar and make everyone ride a Segway!" -mindset was...

at least since Saint Ronnie was in office.

"The I got mine and I'll keep it if I have to kill the rest of you" is the core philosophy of these
domestic terrorist. Even if the Dem's aren't all we hoped, they are still a better alternative to
these guys(REPUGS). We have to keep them out of office at all costs. We are in it for the PLANET
and SPECIES people....do not forget!!!!!!!:hippie: :dem: :patriot: :bluebox:

i belong to a couple of cycle boards , and there are always cracks being made agaist gore and gobal warming , i think they just watch to much fox news , and don't even have a brain of there own anymore ,

The fallacy of Ad Hominem:

Person A makes claim X
Person B attacks person A
Therefore X is false

It is an argument that links the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of a person advocating the premise.

The GOP uses it heavily

and by the time the shit hits the fan, environmentally speaking- they'll be dead and gone anyway- so why should they worry about it?

and because of that, these greedy bastards would rather maintain their gloutony rather than give a damn about the very planet they live on.

in the Oil/Gas businesses, etc. Saving our world from pollution cuts into their profits.

I Know where to go for an answer in the future, Thanks again.

There is no pollution in Boca Raton

Cool map at this link:

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2008-04-23-gardening-map_N.htm

:patriot:

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

The way that things are going, it won't be too many more years before we can grow palm trees here in central PA. Of course most of the native species of plants and the animals that depend on them will have died off.

We better just hope that somebody knows where they keep the spare Earth just in case we kill this one.

This reminds me of the song: Into the Void by Black Sabbath


This will blow out the morning cobwebs if you don't drink coffee!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFOcsPNQBdw

Rocket engines burning fuel so fast
Up into the night sky they blast
Through the universe the engines whine
Could it be the end of man and time
Back on earth the flame of life burns low
Everywhere is misery and woe
Pollution kills the air, the land and sea
Man prepares to meet his destiny
Rocket engines burning fuel so fast
Up into the night sky so vast
Burning metal through the atmosphere
Earth remains in worry, hate and fear
With the hateful battles raging on
Rockets flying to the glowing sun
Through the empires of eternal void
Freedom from the final suicide

Freedom fighters sent out to the sun
Escape from brainwashed minds and pollution.
Leave the earth to all its sin and hate
Find another world where freedom waits.
Past the stars in fields of ancient void
Through the shields of darkness where they find
Love upon a land a world unknown
Where the sons of freedom make their home

Leave the earth to satan and his slaves
Leave them to their future in the grave
Make a home where love is there to stay

Yeah, great song and right on point!

:donut:

I always said that they were 20 or 30 years ahead of their time.
Mankind is showing just how prescient they were.

growing zones were changed commercially (on seed packets) more than a decade ago. The USDA was slow to catch up, but finally did, using a change in its website systems as cover for the underlying change to the zones.

It also affects the bugs we deal with, and their timing. Here where I live in Maine, it seems as though the dreaded May flies are on the decline. But in July, we had an influx of midges/noseeums. I've only lived up here 6 years, but I hadn't seen (really, felt) them since I moved here. My horse is allergic -- for 6 years he had peace and then this summer was the worst problems he'd ever had.

I've noticed this phenominon in the weather, which is directly related.

Most weather prediction modelers are based on where the front is, how fast it is moving, then it is compared to similar fronts in the past. What I've noticed is, going into Winter, they predict lower temperatures. Then, invariably they adjust them, upward, never down. What this shows is that in most modeling, they've not taken into account the changes of recent years.

I like the cold weather, and here in Mobile Alabma, it's hot like six-seven months of the year. So I see the prediction, it's going into the fifties, say "Yea, ahhhhhh," then the next day I look, and it's disappeared. "Damn" I say, then I wait for the next one. It's as if they are taunting us. I think this one is going to make it, though I've not checked today, usually if it cools us down for several days, then it's a serious arctic clipper.

I just wonder when the programmers of these weather predictive modeling programs are going to more heavily weight the information of recent years, to correct out this predictive problem. Seriously, the low was 77 a few nights ago, and it's fucking October!! I should move, as I'm miserable for most of the year anyway.(and it sucks to be in a state that is one of the poorest states, but votes for Bush to the tune of 65 percent) I always correlate that with the fact that we're near the bottom in education!!

And I only decided to plant one after I found out a neighbor had a 5-yr old peach tree loaded with peaches in 2007! Before that I would have laughed if someone would have told me it was possible.

You still have to choose the most cold-hardy variety (I'm growing Reliance, though I've heard Contender is also good down to -25F), but it is still amazing to think about. We've gone from a borderline zone 3/zone 4 to a borderline zone 4/zone 5 in less than 20 years.

Next spring, I'll be adding pears, northern kiwi vines, and apricots to the orchard in the backyard.

Republicans give elephants a bad name. Given their propensity to bury their heads in the sand and ignore reality, the ostrich would be a much better choice.

The GOP loves to push mounds of &%#@ around. If this doesn't look like a repuke, then nothing does.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dung_beetle

:)

I thought about saying that at least they serve a purpose but as soon as I heard my wife say that supper was ready my mind went blank.

I apologize to all of the hard working dung beetles out there doing their jobs.

I loved the part in the link about them having a shovel like head!

He was the perfect tool of the mega rich.

and said that if they didn't comply with the SCotUS, they would stamp their feet and have a temper tantrum.

;)

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These two pdf's are on the EPA Frequently-Requested Records page:

# Endangerment Comments
(Comments on Draft Technical Support Document for Endangerment Analysis for Greenhouse Gas Emissions
under the Clean Air Acts)

# 2007 Draft Proposed Endangerment Finding

Bush and Cheney worked to advance the interests of big oil, defense contractors, and Wall Street financiers. If Eric Holder would would take a little initiative, the whole Bush crew would be behind bars

Mad Eye Moody would be disappointed.

If you don't open it you can pretend that you were uninformed and might not be required to take action. It's a facile rationalization, but there you have it. Doesn't anyone wonder why the report wasn't committed to something paper?

The unopened file is good enough.

An unopened file can be argued to have been lost. In fact having it sent as a file and leaving it unopened could be a way that it could be argued that they never read the material or believe they never saw the document.

scary thought really

The bushes and Cheney deliberately endangered the Public's General Welfare. A direct violation of the US Constitution and the oath they took to uphold the document. They are traitors. They are worse than traitors. They couldn't even get through the fist paragraph (the Preamble) of the US Constitution without violating it.

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

this is just one of many things to be discovered or revealed that was previously hidden by jr's admin.

we're only 9 months into another presidency.

9 months.

i mean, wow. how much more shit like this are we going to find, in just the next year or two, even? this shit is unreal. not that i'm surprised, but just wow.

K&R

This is America, and if you can accumulate enough money, you'll never die!!!!!

The problem is, though, that people keep dying, but for a very simple reason - no single individual has yet accumulated enough - and that's why we have to keep trying to make that possible.

I thought Obama was only looking forward..

When are these Fuc_s going to Prison?

nt

.. of what can happen to humans too, if they breathe too much of that shit...

Both? Head in the Flat Earth Administration.

all the apologists who say "there is no evidence" are relying on people HIDING the evidence.

This is NOT an isolated incident.

Thanks for the thread, cal04.