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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:43 PM
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Bush Preemptive Strike Doctrine Under Review, May Be Discarded
Source: Bloomberg

Oct. 15 (Bloomberg) -- The Pentagon is reviewing the Bush administration’s doctrine of preemptive military strikes with an eye to modifying or possibly ending it.

The international environment is “more complex” than when President George W. Bush announced the policy in 2002, Kathleen Hicks, the Defense Department’s deputy undersecretary for strategy, said in an interview. “We’d really like to update our use-of-force doctrine to start to take account for that.”

The Sept. 11 terrorist strikes prompted Bush to alter U.S. policy by stressing the option of preemptive military action against groups or countries that threaten the U.S. Critics said that breached international norms and set a dangerous precedent for other nations to adopt a similar policy.

The doctrine is being reassessed as part of the Pentagon’s Quadrennial Defense Review of strategy, force structure and weapons programs. Hicks is overseeing the review.

“We are looking very explicitly at use of force and use of forces,” she said. “We are looking at how to articulate the use of the U.S. military instrument -- how we use military force to achieve national objectives.”

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aw4BqFAVbkf8
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Rapier09 Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:45 PM
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1. Differences in the world's power structures
Makes this whole doctrine passe.

Not to mention we can't really afford it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:53 PM
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2. This should be a no-brainer. nt
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:53 PM
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3. It certainly should! (Why isn't it?)
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 04:12 PM
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18. The Bush Cheney gang believed no law or ethical policies should restrain them.
I grew up with the US having a "no first strike" policy.

The Bush Cheney Gang thought themselves too great to be constrained by ethics, international law, US law, or any codes of justice.

And gee, maybe they were that great-- they are still not in jail for their torture and war profiteering.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 04:17 PM
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19. So you'd expect any decent successor to start reversing those terrible policies immediately
AND you'd expect them to start up the proceedings to hold those murderers accountable.

But no one's doing that.

The Bush Cheney gang still seems to have sympathizers in high places.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:52 PM
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23. There certainly are too many leave-behinds, but things have started.
There is so much wreckage from Bush Gang Rule to clean up.

Yes I still want full prosecution of the Bush Cheney gang.

But President Obama has made some significant changes in our diplomatic posture, enough to earn him the Nobel Prize.

I'm also glad to see the Obama Administration seriously considering returning our country to a No First Strike policy.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:45 PM
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27. Without prosecutions, the next criminal cabal will resume "strike first"
and they'll be even more emboldened, knowing the precedent of "no prosecutions" has been set.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:30 PM
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10. indeed. n/t
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:55 PM
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4. MAY be?????
things have worked out so well with it.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 04:45 PM
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20. That was my thought...
This should be the easiest god damned decision Obama has had to make since getting elected. I'm surprised it made it this long.

As one asshole once said to another asshole... "This is a slam dunk."

Rp
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guyton Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:01 PM
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5. war crimes
"That doctrine was always at odds with international law and norms" -- duh.

Now if we can just get around to the idea that the people that ordered "preemptive military strikes" are guilty of war crimes and need to be prosecuted, we might have a moral ground to stand upon.

"Mommy, mommy, he's scaring me."

"It's ok Billie, just go shoot him in the head and he won't bother you anymore."

Btw, what ever happened to enforcing our laws and treaties requiring us to prosecute torture? Sigh.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:52 PM
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15. Well, the Geneva Conventions are just so . . . quaint
Hardly worth bothering with in the macho, he-man world of action dudes like Dim Son, Crash Cart, Turd Blossom and Fredo.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:05 PM
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6. More covering for Bush...
"The international environment is 'more complex' than when President George W. Bush announced the policy in 2002, Kathleen Hicks, the Defense Department’s deputy undersecretary for strategy, said in an interview. 'We’d really like to update our use-of-force doctrine to start to take account for that.' "

In other words, Bush was right, but things have changed.

The Obama administration goes out of its way to make excuses for the Bush administration. For once I'd like to see them announce that they're changing a policy because it was just plain stupid, or evil, or illegal. Bipartisanship (and appeasement) is like a religion to this administration.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:12 PM
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7. The process is like this to take the higher ground
and not shove this down everyones' throats. This is following a traditional diplomatic approach where the process is the key. It is also completely different than the BushCo way of just doing things and screw processes. By taking their time they are rebuilding the process in addition to removing the policy.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:47 PM
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13. It depends on what you're dealing with.
What you're saying would be true in some circumstances. But when you're dealing with an especially dangerous and malevolent ideology, you either confront it head-on and crush it, or it will come back even stronger later... history has taught us this repeatedly. Recognizing the difference is crucial.

Off topic, but I noticed that your moniker is CatholicEdHead. Are you the director of religious education at a Catholic school? I was Catholic for many years.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:14 PM
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8. didn't see anywhere in the article when they planned on concluding their review.
did i miss that?

a good start towards dismantling more of the bush era.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:27 PM
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9. No more wars of aggression?
What an interesting concept.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:32 PM
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11. Hallelujah -- sanity and rule of law returns . . . ????
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:12 PM
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21. Bush's tyrany taught us how easy these laws can be broken w/o ENFORCEMENT
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 09:53 PM
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24. So very, very true -- frightening times . . . frightening . . .
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:39 PM
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12. I'll hold the bets.
They'll keep it in place- its far too easy and convenient a thing to have lying around in case a quick excuse for an invasion is needed.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:51 PM
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14. "The international environment is “more complex” than when President George W. Bush announced..."
What a crock of shit.



It was a breach of "international norms" before September 11, 2001, AFTER 9-11-01 and it still is....and that point was never complex.

Just another way of pretending that "911" somehow excuses war crimes and crimes against humanity (& wars of of aggression)
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 03:13 PM
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16. The world is not "more complex"
than it was during the Bush years. But now we have a group in charge who understands this is not the comic book world that Dubya and Cheney imagined it was from their safe, and privileged perch,
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 03:43 PM
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17. I'm hoping this is code
for we don't use military force to achieve objectives, but for actual defense only. We'll use this “multilateral diplomacy” stuff to achieve long-term national objectives, but we've got to figure out how to word it in the law so future admins can't weasel out of it so easily.


“We are looking very explicitly at use of force and use of forces,” she said. “We are looking at how to articulate the use of the U.S. military instrument -- how we use military force to achieve national objectives.”
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:16 PM
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22. good, now let's end 57 percent of the Fed Budget going to the Pentagon nt
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 09:59 PM
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25. you'd think that it would be an easy decision for a nobel peace prize winner.
:shrug:
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:15 PM
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26. Bullshit - you're telling me that if terrorists are preparing an attack
on NYC, Chicago or LA - and we have the means to take them out, that we won't conduct a preemptive strike?

Are you saying that if Pakistan falls to extremists and they are preparing to employ their nukes - even against Indian or Israel - and we can prevent it, that we won't preempt it?

ROTFLMAO! President Obama will do it and would receive a 2nd Nobel for preventing a nuclear war.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:49 PM
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28. No, nobody is telling you that.
You made it up. Try, y'know, actually reading the article.
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