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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:21 PM Original message |
Bill Gates says ideology threatens hunger fix |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. A big FUCK YOU to Mr. Gates. GMO crops are a Pandora's box that should |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I'll gladly second your "FUCK YOU" to Gates. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Imposing on and opposing nature has saved billions of lives. |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yeah, Mr. Gates, your *economic* ideology |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
82. There is a solution that Gates would hate that embraces potentially useful new technology. |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #82 |
95. Gates has his. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Indeed, Gates is all about Gates. That's been clear for a long time. nt |
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LeFleur1 (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #96 |
105. Please |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. These people could grow natural crops using agricultural methods that don't strip |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. So why aren't they? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Biotech Companies Up GMO Campaign in Africa |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. And if they are offered a version of Cotton that is resistant to the Jewel Beetle |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. If it is free, it's fine. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. But people were citing dangers to health and environment, not economic hostage taking. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:25 PM Original message |
So now I am not "people"? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
23. Oh they are. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
38. By that logic, sub-Saharans should refrain from using oil or fertilizer, too. n/t |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
44. Sure Africa is ripe for experimentation. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. News flash, everything is made of chemicals. |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 04:50 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. I was not trying to scare you. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. AC, because they already have people who live there who can do that. People who would be |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I don't think they would mind a know it all australian like Norman Borlaug |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. because cash crops for export on plantations have shoved out small farmers |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
53. Colonial |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Gates just likes things that have Patents and Copy Rights. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Wow, look at the hate in this thread. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. The issue here is patenting of GMOs for sale. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. And patents may not be an issue. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. If you think patents are not the issue, you disagree with Monsanto. nt |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Oh I do. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. I'm not opposed to GMO as such, I'm opposed to patenting of genetic material. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. That makes sense |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Thanks, glad we can agree, though not about Mr Gates. nt |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Tell me what invention man has created that has improved the planet we all live on. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Depends on your definition of 'improved'. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Flood and erosion control are benefits to humans. But, that aside, humans lived just |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 02:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
55. Control |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Do you take vaccines or antibiotics? nt |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Not lately, why? n/t |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. That would be interfering with nature. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Strange |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Another example.... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Answer to example below |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Is culture part of nature? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Yup n/t |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. That's tough... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Interesting take |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Mutilating sensory organs is far from natural... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I'd rather not |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I suppose the debate is on the meaning of the word... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Didn't intend to debate |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. I prefer discussions over single barrel jack daniels on ice . |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Damn you! |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #73 |
88. Technology is definitely a part of culture... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Yep |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
84. If you consider humans *in exactly the same way*... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
54. I thought |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. AND they're often toxic and spread like prions n/t |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Please cite one. |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
41. Here's one that is not "concluded safe" |
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nosmokes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
92. Yeah,Your hatred puts you at the top of the list. |
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enki23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. this card carrying environmentalist seconds gates' opinion |
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nosmokes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
93. What corporation you carrying that card for? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #11 |
104. Be prepared for flames. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
24. Better to be cautious. What good would it do to given them food to live, only for them |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. It's not just food to eat. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 03:04 AM Response to Reply #27 |
56. Companion crop, please |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
31. Reasoned debate? Sources? Citations? Hasn't Europe banned GMO crops for safety reasons? |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 02:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
102. Here's a good documentary: |
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santamargarita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
32. Fuck you and your shitty software... |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
34. Some people insist on a mutant vision of the future |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
35. "...regard to how much hunger and poverty might be reduced by it." |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. He already gave almost all his money to his foundation. |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. A foundation that he has control of. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. You do make a good point about some foundations, but the B&MGF is a cut above. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #47 |
103. PR and tax breaks. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
68. Buffett promised most of his money to the Foundation. I am not sure he's actually given it yet. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
94. Do you doubt that he will? n/t |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
36. The ultimate corporatist pig! |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Agreed. n/t |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #36 |
58. The ultimate moron |
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Gman2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
37. Does everyone know that Gates has an Iceland seed vault, so when he FUCKS the genetics of our food |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
40. Most people know the consequences of GMO's |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #40 |
60. They should have hung Gregor Mendel and burned his body. nt |
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nosmokes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
100. FAIL! Beautiful way to show *exactly* how ignorant you are on the subject. |
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SandWalker1984 (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
45. GM crops are to agriculture like Bill Gate's Vista is to computers - frightening! |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
48. Not just the patent monopoly and $$; there ARE real health issues |
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DeadEyeDyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
49. I got to admit |
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PaulaFarrell (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. No they weren't |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Should we use genetic therapy on people then? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. That's |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Is it? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Yup, |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. No... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Heh |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Do you know how people breed? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Again |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 01:53 AM Response to Reply #69 |
98. Eugenics is INVOLENTARY. |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
50. Glad to hear they can stand up for themselves. |
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thecrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
51. He probably thinks high fructose corn syrup is good bee food, too |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
81. uber capitalist weirdo |
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bejamin wood (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
83. I'm really, really torn on this issue. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. No |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
97. Gates is right. |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
99. How about when you take the choice from others? |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
101. Bill Gates is part of the One World Bilderberg Group |
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