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progressiveGI Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:18 PM
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Seniors squeezed as doctors shun Medicare
Source: CNN MONEY

If a proposed 21% cut in payment rates goes through in 2010, it could spark a physician boycott against new enrollees


Medicare has become a scary word to the doctors at the largest private group practice in Kansas City, Mo.

It's so scary that most physicians at Kansas City Internal Medicine, with 65% of its nearly 70,000 active patients age 65 or older, have stopped accepting walk-in Medicare enrollees, said Dr. David Wilt, an internist at the group.

Wilt and his colleagues say they are shunning the area's growing senior population because they believe Medicare doesn't reimburse physicians enough to cover the cost of care.

"And if Medicare further cuts its reimbursement rates, then we'll be functioning at a loss," said Wilt.

Wilt -- and doctors with lots of senior patients -- are especially troubled by a 21% cut in Medicare payments to physicians scheduled to take place in 2010. Last week, the Senate voted against stopping that cut, and more annual cuts over the next decade, from taking place.

"If the (21%) cut happens, that cut in our payments will exceed our profits. The only option to us to stay in business will be to fire employees," Wilt said.

Physicians say a boycott against Medicare has already begun because they are tired of dealing with the yearly threat of a payment cut.



Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/27/news/economy/healthcare_medicare_doctors/index.htm?postversion=2009102707
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:29 PM
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1. We'll be seeing a lot more of this soon---and I'm on Medicare.
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:43 PM
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3. This looks like it will be a problem for me
I start my Medicare coverage in March.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:47 PM
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4. Well good luck---I think we older folks are in for some tough times.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:43 PM
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2. "If the [21%] cut happens, that cut in our payments will exceed our profits."
There used to be a time when 5 - 10% "profit" was very good. Now it seems that 20 or 30% is not enough.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:55 PM
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5. That's not what it says. Read it again.
This is a continuing problem that must be fixed. A 21% cut in payments would devastate Medicare and access to physicians.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:15 AM
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19. My hubby is family practice
and if they do a 21 % cut it will hurt us badly. He does a lot of free care as it is.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:28 PM
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6. What is the point of this? Start a new program and gut the program we have?
Is Grover Norquist behind it?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:46 PM
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7. Well then, good thing there is exactly a 0% chance of these rate cuts happening.
What a stupid article.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:42 PM
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8. This happens every year at this time.
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 10:46 PM by Hoyt
A formula put in during daddy Bush's admin (I think, might have been early Clinton), in the SS law dictates the cut, but in December (once in a while January) Congress ignores the formula and approves a very small increase (so far). It's a stupid political game and usually the caculated cut is relatively small.

I suspect docs would boycott with a 21% cut (I sure wouldn't want one examining my rear if that happens), but look at the medical practice's patient base. These docs are stuck with Medicare for a long time unless they really want to cut back their practice and income -- they'll bitch about payment, threaten firing employees (never cutting their own income). Of course, it's a different story if anything approaching this calculated cut were made (I do remember one year where a couple of percentage points were cut during the first part of a year).

I have no problem with physicians' income -- they deserve it -- but without enactment of Medicare there would be a lot less wealthy physicians. Back then, Medicine was not as lucrative financially.

Congress does need to get rid of this annual BS that just gets seniors upset and a few vocal physicians bent out of shape. But, we also need to figure out how to deliver health care less costly, and quick.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 11:07 PM
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11. That would be single payer, nationalized health care.
Like the civilized nations have . . .
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:51 PM
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9. Don't forget, many DUer's fervently claim that Dr's are NOT in it for the money....
:eyes:
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:58 PM
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10. Oh...gee...! They are all unmarried monks and nuns. Go figure.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:25 AM
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20. There are MANY doctors not in it for the money. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 11:38 PM
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12. Bush started paying them all less and holding up payments!!!
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 01:46 AM
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13. They should consider coming up with a plan
to give doctors who openly accept medicare an income tax break then to offset the cut.
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leanderj Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 05:51 AM
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14. And most doctors received their education and training from publicly funded schools
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 06:32 AM
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15. Why the cuts? to fund the war machine??? nt
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 07:01 AM
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16. If we had single payer with Medicare and Medicaid rolled into it,
doctors wouldn't have a choice. It's hard to feel much sympathy when you go for an appointment, wait 2 hours, see a doctor for 5 minutes and then have to pony up $75 (best case scenario) and still have no idea what's wrong with you. Oh . . . and chances are $20 or so was also charged for peeing on the 50 cent test strip which they never tell you the results of.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 07:57 AM
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17. Oh fuck you you greedy bastards.
I'm on Minnesota Medical Assistance, which is the state health coverage for the disabled, and I run into this same crap! :grr:
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:09 AM
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18. Doctors are picky about accepting TriCare, too
I went to a chiropractor who openly denied TriCare (many signs, large print) while at the same time bragging about his son who had enlisted in the military. Ummm....:wtf:

Needless to say, I don't go there anymore.
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PHIMG Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:32 AM
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21. When you have an insurance plan that carries only the most expensive people to insure
Then you have to control costs by cutting rates to doctors.

The solution is to expand Medicare to Everyone so that health insurance works like it is supposed to. The healthy subsidize the sick. The young subsidize the old.

We must EXPAND MEDICARE to SAVE MEDICARE.

MEDICARE FOR ALL.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 11:38 AM
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24. Yup.
It's the smartest most cost effective way to go.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:45 PM
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26. They'd still complain the payments are too low. nt
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:34 AM
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22. Fuck 'em, we don't need to be supporting the life style that docs seem to
they deserve.
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grilled onions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 11:15 AM
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23. Many Of Us Have Few Options Either
Technically we are insured so free clinics don't want us. I have even tried the pay as I go option and they refuse to even discuss it. Our entire medical building has ZERO doctors who will take on new medicare patients. What are we supposed to do? We need doctors too.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:40 PM
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25. Dr. Greed says Medicare is not profitable.
Bill to HMO from Doc

$150.00


Bill to Medicare from Doc

$350.00

Bonus paid by HMO to Doc for keeping claims low:

$20,000.00

Amount paid by Medicare for procedure:

$150.00
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:47 PM
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27. Not quite like that...
More like:
tonsil removal from medicare = 500$ + costs to doctor
tonsil removal from private insurance = 3000$ + costs

The reimbursement from private insurance dwarfs medicare.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:59 PM
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28. Not sure that is true.

Today, a doc is very lucky to get 1.2 to 1.5 of Medicare's rates from private insurance (they might charge $3000 in the example you gave, but they'll be very lucky/happy to get $750). And, there are plenty of areas where docs get only bit more, or in some cases, less than Medicare.

I've seen docs make a very decent income seeing Medicaid patients almost exclusively (Medicaid pays substantially less than Medicare in most areas), but they work hard to do it.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 11:18 PM
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29. They can all go fuck themselves.
"First, do not harm."
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