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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:27 PM
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Brother of Afghan Leader Is Said to Be on C.I.A. Payroll
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 08:29 PM by Syrinx
Source: New York Times

KABUL, Afghanistan — Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of the Afghan president and a suspected player in the country’s booming illegal opium trade, gets regular payments from the Central Intelligence Agency, and has for much of the past eight years, according to current and former American officials.

The agency pays Mr. Karzai for a variety of services, including helping to recruit an Afghan paramilitary force that operates at the C.I.A.’s direction in and around the southern city of Kandahar, Mr. Karzai’s home.

The financial ties and close working relationship between the intelligence agency and Mr. Karzai raise significant questions about America’s war strategy, which is currently under review at the White House.

The ties to Mr. Karzai have created deep divisions within the Obama administration. The critics say the ties complicate America’s increasingly tense relationship with President Hamid Karzai, who has struggled to build sustained popularity among Afghans and has long been portrayed by the Taliban as an American puppet. The C.I.A.’s practices also suggest that the United States is not doing everything in its power to stamp out the lucrative Afghan drug trade, a major source of revenue for the Taliban.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/asia/28intel.html?hp
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:41 PM
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1. K & R and proud to be # 1
Just on Rachel Maddow
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:45 PM
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2. this is tomorrow's lead in the news I betcha - CIA funding drug trade?

tax dollars supporting brother's habit?

I'm sure there will be plenty of questions at the Press Conference with Gibbs
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:27 PM
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13. We would hope...but wonder if it won't get buried by another "Baloon Boy" or Car Chase
or the other misery that our Cable News uses to distract us. After all...not all Americans get NYT. But many have Cable.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:29 PM
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14. Rachel has already indicated it will be her lead - no doubt

She's got a great group of researchers and no doubt will have appropriate guests to shed light on this tomorrow.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 11:23 PM
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24. AMERICA IS NOT FREE UNTIL WE HAVE REIGNED IN THE CIA,FBI, AND MILITARY
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 11:24 PM by HowHasItComeToThis
THE THREE HAVE STOLEN OUR DEMOCRACY.

THE SIDESHOW IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO KEEP US OCCUPIED.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:46 PM
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3. Awesome, this needs to be shouted from the mountaintops, along with
get our troops out of there RIGHT NOW. No one will be surprised by this, I'm sure.

I wonder if President Obama plans to follow the footsteps of his predecessors, by not reigning in the rogue CIA, or actually using them to his own ends to enrich those who will in turn enrich him.

I expect he is a good human being, but sometimes they can get you - it's like the one ring. Of course, if you mess with the bull you get the horns - they will grant you freedom from this prison of flesh. It's got to suck to be pres and be a human being that respects life. I sure don't envy him.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 04:39 AM
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35. The present Occupant is about to announce the NEW Troop Surge
Supported by non other than Joementum Limpmann, Shakey McLame and Racist Lindsay Graham.

It will be touted as the "New Jobs Program" in the war on terra.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:46 PM
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4. The C.I.A.’s practices also suggest .....
that the United States is not doing everything in its power to stamp out the lucrative Afghan drug trade, a major source of revenue for the Taliban.
And the C.I.A..
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:51 PM
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6. LOL n/t
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:09 PM
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11. A couple weeks ago the administration said the U.S.would be
willing to "work with" the Taliban if it gave up terrorism because we're there to fight Al Queda.


Nothing was said about it giving up the drug trade or giving up abusing women (apparently that doesn't meet the U.S. definition of terrorism).
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:46 PM
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5. And we thought Porter Goss gutted CIA.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:52 PM
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7. Puts a whole new light on the pallets of shrink-wrapped 12 billion in cash airlifted to Iraq...
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 08:55 PM by seafan
How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish, 8 February 2007




Brother of Afghan Leader Is Said to Be on C.I.A. Payroll

By DEXTER FILKINS, MARK MAZZETTI and JAMES RISEN
October 28, 2009


KABUL, Afghanistan — Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of the Afghan president and a suspected player in the country’s booming illegal opium trade, gets regular payments from the Central Intelligence Agency, and has for much of the past eight years, according to current and former American officials.

The agency pays Mr. Karzai for a variety of services, including helping to recruit an Afghan paramilitary force that operates at the C.I.A.’s direction in and around the southern city of Kandahar, Mr. Karzai’s home.

The financial ties and close working relationship between the intelligence agency and Mr. Karzai raise significant questions about America’s war strategy, which is currently under review at the White House.

.....




Gonna be some blowback from this revelation.


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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:55 PM
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17. No reason to speculate, this is SOP in intelligence.
US citizens are forbidden by federal law from doing all kinds of things, as are US intelligence agency personnel, with heavy border restrictions.

Thus, illegal spying, assassinations, drugging, wiretapping, prostitution schemes, extortion, (etc. etc.) is contracted out.

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fake consultant Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 02:32 AM
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30. to be honest...
...i was amazed that anyone finds any of this surprising at all.

in fact, if the entire afghan government isn't on the payroll, i'm going to be a bit disappointed.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 05:24 AM
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51. Sadly, there are folks that thought that the Church hearings would change things.
Smashing mercury with a hammer does not eliminate the substance.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 09:43 AM
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52. Poppy Bush took the job to put the kabbosh on Church Committee
The fellah always seems to answer the call when his party -- the War Party -- needs him.

Details:

America's secret power: the CIA in a democratic society By Loch K. Johnson

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 04:35 AM
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53. It's a free market.
Looks like a good book, though, if a bit over-focused on Bush and Bush II. What about under Clinton? (I haven't read the whole book yet.)
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:53 PM
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8. America's sons & daughters fighting for poppy protection & drug lords

we need more troops to make sure the drug trade is not interrupted - CIA must keep feeding America's drug habit
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:24 PM
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12. And, crooks from Goldman Sachs running the Bail Out and our Treasury!
Sheesh...a Criminal Enterprise!
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:31 PM
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16. and some people keep saying "legalize drugs"... ya right
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:56 PM
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9. Ruh-roh! Porter Goss and "Wally" Karzai in the pharmaceutical sector?
This is going to be very interesting.

:popcorn:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:56 PM
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10. K&R...

just how much does the CIA depend on the illicit drug trade, particularly in this area? If you have been following Sibel Edmonds' allegations, you might be aware that certain congresspeople (including Hastert) participated in this as well. The problem may be much larger than we realize. How willing are our leaders to look into this?
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mattvermont Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:35 PM
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20. read "Whiteout"
by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair from Counterpunch fame.
Pretty much lays out how it is done from one war to another.... and in between, for that matter.
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bunnysoft Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:31 PM
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15. This news is going to make the Afghans even more angry
We should reconsider our presence there.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:29 PM
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18. I bought all my drugs in Vietnam from my local CIA dude.,
Nice to see they're still in the game.

:sarcasm:

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:29 PM
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19. Just because it is in the news doesn't make it true. And, I fail to see how this should interfer
very much- if true- with our mission there.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:50 PM
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21. It could - remember that Kerry and others have made the point that
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 10:51 PM by karynnj
any form of Counterinsurgency required good government. This leads to concluding their entire government is a sham. This makes the Afghans even less likely to see them as legitimate.

As to whether or not it is true, either way, there will be people who believe it.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 11:19 PM
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22. All the more reason for Karzai to remove his brother from his government.
Who knows, maybe Kerry and Karzai discussed this. Maybe Karzai knew or suspected his brothers involvement with the CIA. Eight years is a long term relationship, others had to be aware of it.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 11:22 PM
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23. He personifies The Mission there, sorry..
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 11:22 PM by Alamuti Lotus
actually, I take that back: not geniunely 'sorry'.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:36 AM
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27. Explain how the brother personifies the mission there.
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 12:37 AM by wisteria
Isn't it possible the administration is working to have President Karzai remove his brother from power? Or is it possible that other planted this story now to make sure it has an impact on the upcoming elections?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 11:27 PM
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25. k i c k
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 11:30 PM
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26. The greatest triumph for the CIA drug lords since Hasenfuss & Iran Conta.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 01:01 AM
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28. Color me surprised.
The CIA sure likes them some drug lords.

Too bad Gary Webb is dead and can no longer draw lines between the dots.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 04:28 PM
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48. His book is on Google books, for free reading, tho.
Which is good, since it is hard to buy and very over priced.

Web of Deceit, it is called.
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rschop Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 01:37 AM
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29. What about the fact the CIA intentionally allowed the attacks on 9/11
This information is chump change compared to the fact that the CIA deliberately and intentionally allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11 to hide their culpability in the attack on the USS Cole, and then lied to Congress and the Joint Inquiry Committee about their role in allowing these attacks to take place.

There is now even iron clad proof of the CIA culpability in allowing these attacks on 9/11 to take place, that comes right from official US government documents.

This information is so wildly known in Washington DC that it now has to be all but an open secret in both the US Congress and in fact in all of Washington DC.

See my Journal for additional details on this plus the actual documents that prove this.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 02:48 AM
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31. hearts, minds, wallets...
K&R
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:17 AM
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32. The so-called leader of Afghanistan is also on the CIA's payroll.
.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:51 AM
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33. No surprise here...republicans have always been the largest hard drug dealing profiteers
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 04:00 AM by LaPera
in the world...supporting any thugs in the world for massive profits as well as to to fund & force republican right-wing imperialistic corporate fascist ideology around the globe. We as Americans and as workers are the losers. Who's surprised?
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 04:20 AM
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34. I've no clue what 'success' in Afghanistan would look like, for us or for them.
The titular head of the country apparently has no authority outside of Kabul and Kandahar, if even that. The rest of the country is a patchwork of alliances. Poppy seems to be the basic coin in the region, and a primary source of income for many Afghan farmers outside of the cities.

That the President's brother may be involved in the opium trade doesn't seem surprising, given the money to be made. Yet, we fund the Karzai government, financially and militarily. Prop him up to promote some semblance of a national government.

Yet there remains no national infrastructure, women remain second class citizens in some areas, kids don't go to school, and the country isn't safe for it's own citizens it seems.

I know our role in Afghanistan is being debated in Washington, as it ought to be. And, I assume in Kabul, Kandahar and the country, as well.

Yet what will constitute success seems elusive, at best. And it's worth noting that what constitutes success for us may not be the same for the Afghans.



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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 04:42 AM
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36. We could make Joe Lieberman the PRESIDENT of Afghanistan
and get rid of the little bastid.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 06:20 AM
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37. So much for the "War On Drugs" nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 07:31 AM
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38. Shocking CIA in bed w drug lords-think Iran Contra.
Will Obama crack down on this or will it be more of the same? Time to bring our troops home-NOW!
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:00 PM
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39. K&R. What a surprise. nt
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TomPaine76 Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:03 PM
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40. Great article
Thanks for the heads-up!
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 02:25 PM
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41. this explains who helped rig the vote... n/t
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 02:47 PM
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42. K&R. The CIA is most likely involved in "the lucrative Afgan drug trade".
Probably running it through Turkey with the help of lots of unsavory characters and the Turkish criminal deep state.
See Sibel Edmunds.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:05 PM
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43. Remember what Sibel Edmonds said........
“EDMONDS: Okay. So these conversations, between 1997 and 2001, had to do with a Central Asia operation that involved bin Laden. Not once did anybody use the word “al-Qaeda.” It was always “mujahideen,” always “bin Laden” and, in fact, not “bin Laden” but “bin Ladens” plural. There were several bin Ladens who were going on private jets to Azerbaijan and Tajikistan. The Turkish ambassador in Azerbaijan worked with them.

There were bin Ladens, with the help of Pakistanis or Saudis, under our management. Marc Grossman was leading it, 100 percent, bringing people from East Turkestan into Kyrgyzstan, from Kyrgyzstan to Azerbaijan, from Azerbaijan some of them were being channeled to Chechnya, some of them were being channeled to Bosnia. From Turkey, they were putting all these bin Ladens on NATO planes. People and weapons went one way, drugs came back.

GIRALDI: Was the U.S. government aware of this circular deal?

EDMONDS: 100 percent. A lot of the drugs were going to Belgium with NATO planes. After that, they went to the UK, and a lot came to the U.S. via military planes to distribution centers in Chicago and Paterson, New Jersey. Turkish diplomats who would never be searched were coming with suitcases of heroin.”


http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/nov/01/00006/
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:16 PM
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44. Please do read the book: "The Secret Team" by L.Fletcher Prouty
you will wonder no longer the who and the why's..of who is running our government , and why they "let" one person into our white house over another..they "let" us think we are electing people..
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:42 PM
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 04:11 PM
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46. I guess every now and then they have to cover a real story about black ops outrages
to make it seem like the 99% they bury are not credible stories.

Not like they're sitting on classified information or anything either. Just not bothering to report.
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taggline Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 04:14 PM
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47. MEET THE NEW BOSS...
same as the Old Boss...

And that shithead from Arizona, Sen. McLame states the 'we must prevail...' in Viet-ghanistan...Uhhh, in what regard Senator...to keep the price of Skag down...to keep a puppet onstage...to be as insipidly, embarrassingly hypocritical about the whole fucking war 'thingy', to kick start Iran-Contra...???

i swear...maybe their really IS a historical "pendulum"...that just sways to and fro...reminding us of just how stupid we really are. Hell, in 'Nam, at least you got some sort of DEROS date...now...no one, and I mean NO ONE knows what the fuck 'time' it is!!
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 04:40 PM
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49. I'm proud that the NY TIMES broke this
any news agency that has AMERICA'S BEST INTEREST @ HEART, will cover this 24/7 until we stop feeding a Heroin King Pin, with US TAXPAYERS $$$$$$$
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 06:44 PM
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50. Laila Helms, Richard's niece, was the Taliban's lobbyist
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 06:46 PM by EVDebs
Whatever Happened to Richard Helms’ Niece?
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/5295

This makes Alfred McCoy's The Politics of Heroin: CIA complicity in the global drug trade
all the more relevent. What has the CIA gotten right lately ?
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