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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:34 AM
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Dr Abdullah will NOT run in the Afghan run-off elections on November 7
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 02:47 AM by rpannier
Source: Al-Jazeera English and CNN-International

Dr Abdullah announces he will not participate in the November 7 elections in Afghanistan



Read more: http://english.aljazeera.net/



Right now it's just on the ticker portion of the al-jazeera website

In his speech he called the gov't illegitimate and charged the elections would not be fair as Karzai approves all election officials
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:37 AM
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1. Then why are we insisting on the run-off?
This is not a smart move on his part, IMHO...

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 09:37 AM
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8. The whole thing is rigged. And we're insisting on a run off
to give the appearance of respectability to a rigged election.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 11:22 AM
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9. Thanks!
Doesn't that just suck?

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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 01:53 PM
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14. You don't believe some improvements have been made since the initial election?
Like the removal of hundreds of election officials in areas where we know corruption took place or election monitors having a better idea of what to look for now that we know what types of election fraud are most likely to be attempted?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:01 PM
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16. No. Karzai was cheating and everyone knew about it, including
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 02:02 PM by EFerrari
our government. It was reported almost daily in the run up to the election. They knew who and how and when. What you're describing is most likely window dressing. :shrug:

/oops
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:05 PM
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17. Do you have evidence to back up your claim
about massive amounts of prior knowledge?

Also, what you describe as mere "window dressing" were the recommendations of the U.N. and consisted of a fairly sizable reshuffling of election officials in the country, with a large number of them being kicked to the curb.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:09 PM
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18. There were daily aired reports of cheating on Amy's show
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 02:09 PM by EFerrari
and on Link's "Mosaic" Middle East news show. Check Amy's archives.

And you remember that the second in command at the UN was FIRED for coming out with the information that the UN was turning a blind eye to massive cheating. Here's a story from 10/07 and I'm sure you can find more if you want to:

http://www.pri.org/world/middle-east/un-official-speaks-out-afghanistan1657.html
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:15 PM
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20. I appreciate the link,
however, this article doesn't address the issue of prior knowledge (knowing who, where, or when fraud would be committed and turning a blind eye I to it) which is the part of your claim I'm having trouble swallowing. Instead, this article focuses on the U.N.'s initally muted reaction after the elections, which I personally think was a wise move on their part. I'll dig around though and see what I can come up with.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:30 PM
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22. I found this McClatchy story from Dec 2008
Fraud, violence threaten planned Afghan elections

KABUL, Afghanistan — Evidence of fraud and poor security conditions are raising concerns that Afghanistan's presidential elections next fall could be compromised.

With Afghans scheduled to go to the polls in less than a year, the country's Independent Elections Commission (IEC) is in the midst of a massive voter registration drive that will continue until early February. Election officials are watching registration numbers closely because low registration could delay or derail the presidential polls.

The IEC is reporting high turnout across the country since the drive began in October, despite insurgent threats to kill anyone who registers. Many parts of southern and eastern Afghanistan are under insurgent control.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/58384.html

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:12 PM
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19. Here's a story from Amy, Sept 9:
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:22 PM
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21. Thanks
This is definitely more to the issue.

To me, it seems fraud like this is something that was nearly impossible for the U.S. to prevent. We can say "Hey, you need to have legitimate institutions" but unless we're the ones running them (which nearly everyone on this board opposes) we can't ensure that that will actually occur. Frankly, I think the Obama Administration would have preferred that no fraud took place whatsoever because it would have shored up the legitimacy of democracy in Afghanistan, therefore I still find it hard to believe that we knew fraud was occuring and happily turned a blind eye because we wanted Karzai to win. It seems more accurate to say that we crossed our fingers and hoped for the best.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:36 PM
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23. When the UN official that is complaining about election fraud is fired
and not the people who were content to let it slide, that isn't really hoping for the best. That's collusion.

And if it was clear to me from watching these reports all year that this election would be stolen, I have to assume that our government with all the resources at its disposal knew the election would be stolen, too.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:42 PM
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24. Was he fired because it was being swept under the rug
or was he fired because it had generally been agreed upon to wait until the investigators findings were in and he bucked that? There were logical reasons to wait until the facts were in to raise a stink, mainly because not waiting put a lot of major players (the U.S., Britain, Canada, etc.) in an extremely tough spot with Karzai at a very delicate time in the Af-Pak war.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:35 PM
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25. You are right about putting these parties in a tough spot.
On the other hand, with stolen elections, "wait" usually leads to "never mind" and it sounds as though this individual knew that.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. That's definitely true in some cases.
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maglatinavi Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 07:23 PM
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27. Peggy
Have you pondered the idea that he is doing this to save his life??? I have, and I don't blame him. He should get out of the frigging country with all his family and seek safety someplace...
:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :hide: :hide: :hide:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. You know, I hadn't considered this.
Thanks for the good thought.

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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:42 AM
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2. Yeah, he thinks the game is rigged.
Since even Karzai has admitted that the changes he requested need to be made, but said he could only do them after the election, it sounds like Abdullah is right. Why does this not surprise me?
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:12 AM
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3. Lose-Lose Situation for Abdullah... it IS rigged... and he would still be likely to lose if it
wasn't...

So, I commend him for making the point about election integrity.
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excess_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:16 AM
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4. excellent move by AA. .nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 06:04 AM
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5. Go, Abdullah! Will the US support him 100% in insisting on reform before run-off?
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 06:35 AM by No Elephants
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 09:30 AM
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7. Doubtful. Clinton already said the ruoff is legit whether AA is in or not.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 01:56 PM
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15. Why is this a positive thing?
Just curious.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 07:25 AM
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6. I'm willing to bet he was PAID OFF by Karzai's heroin money.....Karzai and his brothers

run the poppy business over there. Nothing like a few million to make you forget your country's troubles!!!!



:puke:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 12:34 PM
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10. What a farce
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 12:37 PM
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11. Well, here we were hoping that he would win
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 12:37 PM by HughMoran
Apparently he's decided that he can't win, so he's decided to take a different tact - at least that's how his detractors will see it. I'm disappointed.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 12:55 PM
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12. What a revolting predicament.
It is well past time to just get the fuck out of there.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 01:11 PM
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13. Four Major bailed out US banks finance cluster bombs with taxpayers money
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 01:20 PM by flyarm
not likely we will get out of there any time in the near future..in fact i will be we will still be there when i pass on!!!!


Four Major bailed out US banks finance cluster bombs with taxpayers money


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

***A Big Thank you to DU member Ichingcarpenter for bringing this to my attention!


The top five loan providers were Bank of America , Citigroup , JP Morgan , Barclays and Goldman Sach from your link..and thank you for that link !!

Top banks fund cluster bombs as ban nears -
LONDON, Oct 29 (Reuters) - Leading banks have funded cluster bomb-makers to the tune of $5 billion in the past two years despite an international accord to ban the weapons, a study said on Thursday.

The top five loan providers were Bank of America , Citigroup , JP Morgan , Barclays and Goldman Sachs , the study said on Thursday.
The researchers used publicly available information, such as that supplied by stock exchanges and financial databases, to produce their study.


Bank of America and JP Morgan declined to comment while Citigroup and Goldman Sachs also had no immediate comment.

Nations agreed to outlaw cluster bombs in May 2008. The resulting convention will come into force when 30 countries have ratified it -- 23 have already done so. Neither the United States nor Britain, where the top five loan providers are based, have yet ratified the treaty.
The Convention on Cluster Munitions includes a ban on assisting anyone to make the bombs.

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now why does this not surprise me?? and what group here has many in this current administration??

oh yeah Goldman Sach's..

and does anyone really believe Obama has any intention of stopping the perpetual wars??????
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:00 PM
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29. Abdullah is even more of a joke than Karzai.
There is no reason for progressives/anti-imperialists to support him.
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