(WA State) New high school to be named for hero of 9-11 (Todd Beamer)

Add this to the "puke and gag" file:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001295312_beamer29m.html


Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - Page updated at 12:18 A.M.

New high school to be named for hero of 9-11

By Nguyen Huy Vu
Seattle Times staff writer

Todd Beamer had no apparent connection to Federal Way.
But he does now.

The school district's newest high school, opening this fall, is named after Beamer, one of the heroes of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Beamer is remembered for using the expression, "let's roll," as he and other passengers on United Airlines Flight 93 took action against hijackers before the plane crashed in a Pennsylvania field, killing everyone aboard.


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Beamer emerged as the most popular name for the school in a survey of students. Other names mentioned by students included Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, Helen Keller and Ronald Reagan.

In October, the Federal Way School Board chose Beamer, after two motions to name the school after Lewis and Clark failed. Other names suggested by board members included Betsy Ross, Douglass, Susan B. Anthony and Eleanor Roosevelt.
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Okay---todd beamer? HELLO---he's not even *FROM* washington.

I propose a law that bans the naming of schools after hero's-of-the-week :eyes:

Any thoughts on this?

jezus christ!

They tried to trademark "Let's Roll" fercryinoutloud.

I'm quite amazed there weren't Todd Beamer Action Figures, for little kids who wanna be hero's when they grow up.

Actually, I have nothing against the guy, but I think the hype about him has been way overblown. His wife is particularly disgusting, especially her immediate fellation of the president after 9/11 and her stubbornness when it comes to having 9/11 investigated.

She made a quick buck with her book, tried to make a quick buck with 'let's roll' and you know, I don't think I ever saw her shed a tear as she appeared on tv show after tv show after tv show.

I understand that different people greive in different ways, but shit---she didn't seem to greive at all.

I've heard rumours that beamer was a non-existent person created by the government so that we could have a 'hero' when we needed one the most.

He's the only person that can be named by 99% of the american public if asked for a specific name of a person that died on 9/11.

There were several other people who attempted to regain control of the planes, including a gay man who was a memeber of a lacrosse team (if I recall correctly). What's his name? Who knows. He doesn't matter, and neither does anyone else who died on that day (in the eyes of the administration). They got their blue eyed American Son who died in valor with his pretty expectant wife waiting on the side.

Is that a made for TV movie or what :eyes:

Again--I have nothing against this guy, but I cannot believe a word that comes out of the mouth of this administration, and I find his wife to be too press-whorish to have any credibility.

a funny term (that I read on DU) a while back comes to mind....

CAMERA-MOTH!

Which is exactly what this woman is.

Now we're gonna have a High School named after hubby, what are the odds that she'll be on hand to cut the ribbon when it opens.

:puke:

If you're going to pick a fictional hero, it might as well be one that most people have heard of. :eyes:

I have no problem with Beamer High School.

Do we have proof that Beamer's heroics were anything more than a myth? No. Are there plenty of American motifs that are more myth than fact, yes. Beloved myths. Like it or not, Beamer was the one voice that came out of the 9/11 victims, and it was a voice of strong defiance. Manufactured or not, its appropriate--and arguing against that is bad politics, my friends.

why not name it Santa Claus High School if we're going to be naming schools after people who may or may not be real heros, but by god, Inside Edition said Todd Beamer was a hero so daggumit he is :eyes:

With the exception of Ronald Regan, they had a decent list of potential names--a fuck of alot better people to have a school named after them than some guy who happened to be on a plane, and whose wife happened to write a book, and who HAPPENED to have a trademark phrase that's catchy, soundbitey, and that the public has gobbled up.

I think that the school should be named after someone who was dedicated to education and bettering young people and Americans in general.

Considering there's no proof (other than a prhase overheard on a cell-phone) that Todd Beamer did anything other than sit on a plane.

Hellen Keller, Frederick Douglas, Eleanor Roosevelt---THEY deserve to have a school named after them.

Todd beamer does not.

and the Beamer Bombers jog onto the field, can we say how tacky we think they are then?

Sigh. What can you expect from a town that named itself after the directions to a government surplus store--yes Federal Way has been a laughingstock enough times that this won't feel like anything new.

the Beamer Bimbos

Most kids will think it's a reference to pot smoking, though.

. . . I call my BMW, the Beamer! :evilgrin:

Please tell me that the Dem nominee will have better sense than the people on this thread.

Call Todd Beamer names...not smart politics.

send me to Gitmo RIGHT NOW for daring question the heroic actions of our supreme high leader in absentia, Todd Beamer, and his beautiful, caring, loving, un-greedy wife Lisa, and their baby Todd "Let's Roll" Beamer Junior * (actually I have no idea, nor do I care, what the fuck the baby's name is).

How DARE I even CONSIDER forming my own opinion about something. how dare WE, as a community, allow dissenting thought.

Follow the party line folks--we've just been told we've got no sense for daring to smear the image of our forsaken son, Todd Beamer.

In fact, just to show my penetance, I'm going to erect a Todd Beamer sanctuary in my house. As I pass by every day, I'll make the sign of the cross while whispering deep in my heart "let's roll". I will then give a donation to the right-wing fund of my choice, and read aloud 1 chapter from Lisa Beamers book every night until I have it memorized.

There. Is that better. Is that enough repentance for you? :eyes:

The only thing I have seen him called on this thread is Todd Beamer.

is telling me what to think about stupid names for high schools? Okay...

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Jessica Lynch Elemantary School?:eyes:

our new school. . . and then the school board told us what they were going to name it, which wasn't even on our list of suggestions. And, what the hell, kids need to learn that "you can't always get what you want (but if you try, sometimes, you get what you need)" -- Rolling Stones.

Todd Beamer died on 9/11. While I have mixed feelings about his wife and her motives I don't think you should be insulting her husband. That is wrong. You should be ashamed for disrespecting people who are dead and can't defend themselves.

Sorry--no guilt trip working on me.

Todd Beamer died, yes, as did 3,000 other Americans.

Yet Todd Beamer is a Hero.

Why?

What did he do, that we can PROVE he did (Besides walking onto a plane that morning, as did a few hundred other people) that makes him a hero, and therefore, makes him worthy of having a school named after him?

Aren't there more deserving educators, philanthropists, philosophers, scientists, mathematicians, doctors, lawyers, that a school can be named after?

What did Todd Beamer do for this country that 2,999 other Americans didn't do? He died during a terrorist attack. He gave us a catch phrase that businesses could use forever on their signs (along with God Bless America, and THese Colours Never Run) promoting their businesses.

Please, Carlos, Tell me what Todd Beamer did, that THOUSANDS of other people didn't do, that gives him the right to have a school named after him.

A school, might I add, in a state he never lived in, in a town he never lived in, in a school that his estate never donated money to.

Please tell me why an institute of learning should be named after someone so...so...forgettable as Todd Beamer.

There were plenty of other great people on that list who were MORE deserving of a school name than Todd Beamer.

And Fuck Lisa Beamer and your notion of 'insulting her husband"--i'm not insulting her husband--I'm insulting her.

You think this thread is tacky---well honey, I find the idea of going on several national TV shows HOURS after your husband died, and the nation suffered its worse tragedy in years---I find THAT tacky and revolting. I find profiting off the death of a loved one to be revolting. I find that her basically trashing the 9/11 victims and survivors who want a thorough investigation to be revolting.

So yeah. I *SHOULD* do alot of things. Fortunately, 'saying kind things about Todd Beamer and his lovely wife" aren't high on my list of priorities right now

And remember, Rosa Parks didn't do nothing 'sept sit her ass down on a bus.

But wasn't she a secritary for the NAACP or the SCLC?

Todd Beamer sitting on a Plane with Rosa Parks sitting on a bus?

I certainly hope you're not---seeing as Todd Beamer's sitting on a plane had NOTHING to do with starting or ending 9/11, as Rosa Parks sitting on a bus had EVERYTHING to do with the Civil Rights movement.

Todd Beamer did nothing spectacular or special for this country that wasn't also done by everyone else killed that day. He is no more special or significant than anyone else killed on 9/11.

Many other people sat in the wrong section of a segregated bus, or did other acts of civil disobedience, before Rosa Parks, and all they got was arrested.

it doesn't make any sense that they would name a school in Washington State after him. If it were in Pennsylvania(where the plane crashed), or in Beamer's home town, I would understand.jmho

is insulting about voicing the simple opinion that there are other people more qualified (for lack of a better term) to have a high school named after them?

Sheesh.

It's dissing this ridiculous myth that he made a cell phone call from mid air (which is impossible) and then heroically took down a plane that was supposedly going to crash into the White House.

Face it, they shot the fucking plane down and Beamer, if he exists at all, was just some poor SOB who picked the wrong day to fly. Which is a tragedy for his family, though his wife, frankly, seems like a manufactured BCE spokesperson.

That's why he had to talk to the operator instead of someone else.

I believe you are 100% wrong. Just wanted to tell you. This is starting to read like a Freeper thread....

Uh, whatever.... :eyes:

The fact is that half (if not all) of what the media told you about the events of 9-11-01 are complete 100 BULLSHIT.

Or should I say Bush-shit.

Cell phones do not work in mid air, because they cannot locate an antenna. It is technically possible to use them during takeoff and landing, but this is not allowed because it could interfere with the communications between the plane and control tower, and the planes instruments.

One alleged 9-11 cell phone call was from Barbara Olson. The only verification we have of that is from her husband Ted, an architect of both the "Arkansas Project" against Bill Clinton AND the Florida 2000 coup d'etat, for which he was rewarded with the job of solicitor general in the Fraudministration.

Credible source of information? I don't fucking think so.

Lisa Beamer has become such an obvious TOOL of the Rovian Propaganda Ministry that any credibility she might have had as the grieving widow is also long gone.

Never have used one of those air phones they have on the back of every center seat in coach. For some strange reason, they work perfectly well at FL 350. Don't you hate when facts ruin a perfectly good illogical rant?

I posted this elsewhere. Here is a link to some information on the use of cell phones on flights. It is not impossible,even at cruising altitude, just frowned on and could create problems with cell sites.

http://www.planwireless.com/cell_phones_on_airplanes.htm

I feel bad for his family. Such a tragedy to die under the prospects of a lie.

chirp chirp

I suppose that if he gets a highschool named after him, all of them should. They are all heroes just for being there in my eyes. They are all individuals, but all died the same way. I'm sure each has their unique story, but why are we singling out a couple select "heroes" for naming something, instead of all? Just a thought.

This man and a few others on Flight 93 helped prevent terrorists from crashing the plane into the US Capitol. I think that is worthy of this honor.

There's no positive proof of what went on up there. I'm still not positive Flight 93 wasn't shot down by the government. Yeah, those people on the plane were very brave when cornered and faced with the sure knowledge that they were going to be killed like those on the WTC planes.

But why not name the school after a firefighter or port authority cop who could have stayed on the ground and saved their own asses, but instead went UP into those burning buildings to try to save people? Why are they any less deserving of a school name than Beamer?

Lisa Beamer rubs me the wrong way, too ... BIG TIME. "I just really need to spend time with my children right now... Todd would want that ... er ... right after I finish this 3,000-city speaking tour ... hey, I've got an idea... let's copyright the term "Let's roll!" We get big bucks every time someone says it ... etc. etc."

:puke: :puke: :puke:

Todd Beamer did NOT speak to his wife that day. Look it up, read the REAL story. Lisa B. got a call from an "operator" who said they spoke and "prayed together" for fifteen minutes.

How nice of the hijackers.

How nice of the operator.

How odd that he'd rather speak to the operator than his wife ("he didn't want to upset her)

Flight 93 was shot down. The evidence is overwhelming. Again, the BIG hero of that day just so happens to be a story that can't be independently confirmed. The other "big" phone call allegedly was Babs Olson on Flight 77. The source for that is Ted Olson, BUSH'S LAWYER!

In light of the Jessica Lynch fiction, the likely faked Saddam Boys' deaths, I think we need to re examine Todd Beamer's "heroic actions."

Captain Mike

So I suppose you have heard the cockpit voice recording that was played to the families of Flight 93 and heard the explosion of the missiles that took down the plane? Did you read the 9/11 report that mentions that the terrorists decided to crash the plane to stop the people from trying to take back the plane? Has it been decided (ie proof) that the entire Jessica Lynch story is fake? Also, since the latest Saddam tape talks about his sons' death is that still "likely faked?" In light of that, let's re examine your claim that Beamer was less than heroic.

I think it's time for you to go put on your tinfoil hat so no more truths can come in and dispell your view of the world.

Hey DOFUS it is dispel not dispell. Why oh why do you freeper idiots pollute our board and just can't seem to spell correctly?

You can shove a tinfoil hat up your ass BTW. It might help. To see that is.

Beamer is a canard! If you don't know what a canard is I suggest you consult your dictionary.

What is a DOFUS? Were you trying to spell doofus? What exactly is a doofus (DOFUS)? Is that in the dictionary? All you have to say about what I wrote is that I misspelled a word? At least I know how to use a proper sentence. Example: "To see that is." is a fragment, not a sentence. Also, try using commas sometimes. It will make your post look more professional when you are changing the subject.

Don't like what I have to say? I'm polluting your board? Where is your tolerance of other viewpoints? Where is your proof that this story is false? Where is your proof that what I said is false?

the "Rollers"????

Uh, hello, neither were any of the other nominees nor any of your choices for nominees. Good to see you contradict your own point. If you are wrong about that, maybe you are wrong about Todd Beamer too.

I had two friends on that plane that day. No one ever hears about them although they made phone calls, too.

I think the LisaBeamerMediaGlut is unfortunate and ill-advised.

There were many more people on that plane who were willing and ready to "roll" (forgive me for using that word.) This whole thing just makes me so angry!!!

You had two friends on that plane?

They DID make phone calls?

Any indie confirmation on that?

I'm not grilling you, I just have read TONs into all that, and it's been "determined" by many 9-11 researchers that those cellphone calls were "impossible" to make that day under those circumstances.

I would love to be able to present rebutting information, if you've got more details of those calls, how they were made, ie on their cellphones or on seatback satellite phones. I'm assuming their families heard from them. Do they have the calls logged on the deceased's cellphone billing statement?

Forgive me for being gruesome. IT's just that it'd be nice to put that issue to rest....

Captain Mike

Ok, I'm ignorant about this, but could one of those phones that works world wide (don't they use satellite tech rather than regular cell towers) have worked on the plane? Also, I though I heard something about the crash site that seemed to suggest it was shot down rather than exploded; i.e. there was nothing left of it. I'm sure someone here knows alot more about this than I do.

And if "we" can name a national airport after Reagan, than I guess anything goes.

Here is a link to some information on the use of cell phones on flights. It is not impossible, just frowned on and could create problems with cell sites.

http://www.planwireless.com/cell_phones_on_airplanes.htm

her sister got a call. I don't know if it was a cell phone or an inflight seat-back phone or what. I know the family was interviewed by the FBI (I think it was.) They didn't want to talk about it much.

It was one of those questions that I always wanted to ask but didn't really want to ask, if you know what I mean.

:puke:

I recall many early 9-11 witnesses reporting a loud explosion coming from above them and some even finding the plane's engine debris, more than a mile uphill from the crash site.

Others have opined how it is next to impossible to make an inflight call at that speed...

Was our Pentagon really snoozing or did someone order that flight shot down and we needed a better Hollywood script than "Fail Safe" so the resident wouldn't look too cold blooded?

Don't forget that the resident continued obliviously reading his goat story many states away while these actions allegedly took place as Big Media would have it.

I think a better name for the school would be "The Old Goat". What kind of story was that to have enthralled the resident to do no action, rather than leaping into action?

...see the tinfoil hat link in my sigline.

That said, I'm not sure the naming of a school after Beamer is so bad. If the students get to name it whatever they want, I'm surprised there were so many reasonable suggestions.

Frankly I don't see how it's any worse (or better) than naming schools after dead industrialists. If the students chose the name, we should just all be thankful it's not Spongebob Squarepants School.

Let me count the ways: 1- He was white, 2- he had a big time job, 3-he had a thin, pretty blonde wife, 4- he had a new born child. what more could you ask for as a media drooler? Give me a break, if the guy had been a minority we'd never of heard of him and if by some mircle we did, it would be very fleeting.