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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 12:29 PM
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Chavez outburst puts Mercosur vote on hold
Source: UPI

Brazil's Senate has postponed a vote that would have brought Venezuela finally into the fold of South America's Mercosur trade bloc after a "war" outcry by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

Chavez angered the Brazilian senators after going on air to urge his people to prepare for war with Colombia, which recently agreed to let the U.S. military use its bases to fight drug cartels and rebels. Venezuela opposes the U.S. use of Colombian bases and calls it a preparation for a U.S. invasion of oil-rich Colombia to capture its resources.

Sen. Grim Argello from Brazil's ruling coalition, which favors the incorporation of Venezuela into Mercosur, acknowledged that the war outcry by Chavez had shocked the Senate and seriously complicated the vote, hinting that the remarks had compromised Venezuela's supporters in the body.

Opposition Sen. Jose Agripino Maia lashed out at "Chavez and his war-mongering speech," which he said had crushed any hopes for an agreement on the vote.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2009/11/13/Chavez-outburst-puts-Mercosur-vote-on-hold/UPI-17851258088488/
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 12:54 PM
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1. All Chavez's fault, huh? WHO has invited the U.S. war machine into their country,
with seven new U.S. military bases, and U.S. soldiers and mercenaries immunized against the country's laws? WHO is living off of $6 BILLION in U.S. taxpayer-funded military booty? WHO bombed Ecuador last year? WHO has one of the worst human rights records on earth? WHOSE military and closely tied rightwing paramilitary death squads have slaughtered thousands of union leaders, peasant farmers, political leftists, human rights workers, journalists and others? WHOSE civil war has sent tens of thousands of refugees across the border into Venezuela? WHO is running the biggest drug racket on earth?

I'd say these Brazilian congresscreeps are as full of crap as Jim DeMint is.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 01:48 PM
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3. UPI. The stench of right wing propaganda is pervasive.
In UPI world, a few hasty words by a leftist leader are the equivalent of actual violence by a right wing leader. Uribe launched attacks into a neighboring country, is associated with the corruption of legislators, linked to death squads, and hosts the military of a government that is hostile to other countries in the region, but when Chavez responds with words, the escalation of tension is somehow his fault.

Bizarre.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 01:37 PM
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2. Brazilian Senate: STFU, you're blowing our scam!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 04:09 PM
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5. They are trying to drag Brazil back to the days of the vicious military dictatorship.
There's been a fascist element in that country a long time, just as we have here. No doubt Maia and his winger scums have been visited by some of our own predatory capitalist Congresspeople, or heldover Bush State Department people throughout, just as have been the golpistas in Honduras, the golpistas in Venezuela, Bolivia, (you remember the Bush ambassador Philip Goldberg was caught by Bolivian news camera people sneaking around meeting with the racist separatist enemies of democratically elected Evo Morales after midnight before Bolivia threw him out of the country) etc.

http://narizgelado.apostos.com.nyud.net:8090/archives/Agripino.jpg http://www.ailtonmedeiros.com.br.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/agripino12.jpg http://g1.globo.com.nyud.net:8090/Noticias/Politica/foto/0,,14628811-EX,00.jpg
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Louisiana1976 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 05:14 PM
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6. Why are there still so many Bush holdovers in Latin America?
Time for the Obama Administration to carry out a purge.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 06:33 PM
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7. Many of those holdovers are connected to the bloody Reagan war on all Central America.
Morally diseased beyond forgiveness. Useless to a clean administration. Respect for democracy isn't in their playbooks.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:31 PM
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10. Because Sen. Jim DeMint (Puke-SC) is blackmailing the President, holding up all of Obama's
Latin America appointments, in order to enforce a Puke Bushwhack policy in Latin America. So all the Bushwhacks are still in place, running their own foreign policy, from what I can see. That policy was set by Donald Rumsfeld, in my opinion, and is aimed at prepping Oil War II. Why Obama is blackmailable by a party that lost both Congress* and the Presidency in the last U.S. elections is a good question to ask. Is it deals Obama made to be permitted into the White House? Was he LYING when he said he wants a policy of peace, respect and cooperation in Latin America? Are we looking at an insurrection? Treason? A long term plot to Diebold Obama out in 2012, bring the next "war president" in, and proceed with this oil war in our hemisphere?

I can't say for sure yet what I think is really going on. I tend to believe Obama when he says he wants peace, but that doesn't mean he has the strength or reach within our corpo-fascist government to bring it about.

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*(Jim DeMint is from a state, SC, with one of THE most non-transparent voting systems in the country. This is what non-transparent vote counting--vote counting run by 'TRADE SECRET' code, owned and controlled by a handful of far rightwing corporations, with--in SC's case--NO audit/recount controls--is FOR: to put fascist fuckwads like DeMint in a position to tie Obama's hands, to blockade approval of his appointments, to blackmail him--that is, for instance, demand that Obama recognize the rightwing coup in Honduras as a legitimate government, or demand that he approve this war profiteer/war plan deal for seven new US military bases in Colombia, or nobody gets approved.)
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 04:02 PM
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4. If the U.S. wants to fight drug cartels and rebels in Columbia, just legalize and tax the drugs,
and help the citizens of the third world wrest control of their lives and futures from the landed aristocracy that has its foot on their collective necks.

All that "fighting drug cartels and rebels" is simply cover for having bases and troops closer and closer to Venezuela.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:41 PM
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8. This sounds like horseshit. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:00 PM
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13. The latest is that Chavez is a warmonger.
Of course, you have to ignore the US plans for new base access that has everyone upset and you have to ignore how flaming out of control Colombia is and you have to ignore how engaged Venezuela is in diplomacy. Otherwise, it makes perfect sense. :crazy:
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:19 PM
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9. "Outburst?" This is editorializing.
Why is this presenting itself as a non-editorial news item?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:53 PM
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11. It's interesting to read what Chavez actually said, and the context he put it in.
Mérida, November 10th 2009 (Venezuelanalysis.com) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez declared on Sunday that his country is prepared to defend itself against a possible act of aggression from Colombia or the United States, countries which recently signed a military pact that will allow the U.S. to use Colombian bases to increase its military and intelligence operations across Latin America.

Chavez called on the commanders of the Venezuelan Armed Forces to “lose no time; we are going to form militias of revolutionary students, workers, women, everyone ready to defend this sacred homeland.”

“Don’t make the mistake, President Obama, of ordering an overt aggression against Venezuela utilizing Colombia,” said Chavez. “In Venezuela we are ready for anything, and Venezuela will never, never be a Yankee colony again,” Chavez declared on his weekly television talk show.

If the U.S. and Colombia start a war with Venezuela, Chavez warned, “It would be the start of a hundred year war, and this war would extend across this entire continent.”

The best way to avoid war, Chavez said, is to prepare for it. “If we lived in a world where the most powerful countries respected the least powerful ones and were ruled by human principles and values, then we could dedicate ourselves to anything other than war,” the president explained.

Colombia and the U.S. signed a deal on October 30th that will expand the U.S. military presence on seven Colombian air, naval, and army bases, grant U.S. personnel diplomatic immunity for crimes committed in Colombia, and facilitate the movement of the U.S. military throughout the country.


(MORE)

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/4924


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I think the question to ask is this: If you were a leftist president duly elected by big majorities, and the U.S. colluded on trying to topple you with a violent rightwing coup, and was constantly plotting against you--pouring multi-millions of dollars into rightwing groups--and had been conducting an intense psyops/disinformation campaign against you for some five years, and had a history that you know very well of bloody coups and installed fascist dictators all over your region, and had just invaded another country and slaughtered one million innocent people to steal their oil, and was now moving its war machine into place in a neighbor country with fascist leadership--and one of the worst human rights records on earth--would you...

...ignore this threat?

...fail to warn your people that a threat might exist?

...fail to prepare your people for possible aggression?

And would you not be grossly derelict in your duty as president of the country, if you failed to heed these signs of war?

When you add it all up--the seven new US military bases in Colombia, the securing of the US military base in Honduras with a rightwing military coup, the Bushwhack reconstitution of the US 4th Fleet in the Caribbean last summer, the US/Colombia bombing raid on Ecuador early last year, the US support of white separatist rioters and murderers in Bolivia to topple Evo Morales late last year, the new US bases in Panama, the egregious LIES about the corrupt, failed, murderous US "war on drugs," the egregious, relentless LIES about Hugo Chavez and other leftist leaders, the very intense psyops-disinformation campaign against them--equal in falseness and relentlessness to the WMD campaign against Iraq--and the long bloody history of US warfare and meddling in Latin America--you would be nuts to ignore this OBVIOUS military buildup, if you were responsible for the safety and welfare of a targeted country.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:58 PM
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12. But for the American public which is still struggling with its own racism
it's enough to say this little brown man is uppity. Go figure.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:01 PM
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14. Zorro, I'm going to rec this because there is now a lot of good information on this thread.
Sorry!
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 06:59 AM
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15. Glad that Venezuela wants into Mercosur and that Brazil's ruling party wants them in.
Mercosur's "purpose is to promote free trade and the fluid movement of goods, people, and currency" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercosur) which would be good for its members and the continent as a whole.

Most politicians seem to play to their base with speeches and delayed votes when some "big thing" comes up. When things die down, they go back and do whatever they were going to do (for better or worse) in the first place. I expect that's what will happen in Brazil and Venezuela will become part of Mercosur very soon.
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