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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 12:17 AM Original message |
White House Plan on Immigration Includes Legal Status |
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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. good |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
68. Amen. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #68 |
82. Double Amen |
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dhpgetsit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
69. They should focus on employers and mandate e-verify nationwide. |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
2. If they do allow legalization to stem the "cheap labor pool", then they need to make |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. take it a step further |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 03:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
50. Yes, this will be what, the third amnesty? Only if it includes serious reform |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. you got a point n/t |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. Obama +12million votes. GOP contender 0 votes. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'm not ready to support this yet |
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PatrynXX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 04:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. As my uncle is homeless because of illegals, I don't support it either. |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Explain how your uncle is homeless... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. So we give amnesty to the 12 million or so illegals here now. Should that reduce the total? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. As processing 12 million new "citizens" would take a great deal of |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Deleted message |
AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Productive people should be welcome |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #37 |
92. just google "myths on immigration" to debunk this Lou Dobbs myth |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #14 |
85. Nothing in the story suggests that people seeking legal immigration will be pushed to the |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #14 |
91. No they wouldn't |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
83. Where did you read that people seeking legal immigration will take a back seat to the undocumented? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
84. Yes, since legal immigration from the rest of the world |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. There are many good reasons to be concerned about immigrants who enter illicitly, |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. How does somebody's citizenship status affect another person's housing? |
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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
5. The economy is a mess. Why now? |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. I agree. This is not the time. |
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bjb (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
41. Poor timing |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 02:41 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Really. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Why not now? |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
53. I'd be against raising the fed minimum wage right now |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
38. The other option is concentration camps |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
79. Because transnational corporations want to crush American workers into submission by |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
81. Not following. Many people who are undocumented are already working and more are arriving daily. |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #81 |
95. I doubt many are arriving daily these days. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 05:05 AM Response to Original message |
7. Amnesty. That will go over big. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
8. Good. With the number entering the US illegally down sharply, if those here are less exploitable, |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. SO you can't think of any downside, economically, environmentally, politically to this? |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Obviously, there's a big downside politically. That's why Obama has to be "brave" to |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. The only demand for those people is exploitation, absent that then current US citizens would do. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Thats kinda the point |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
72. Wouldn't it make more sense to work on making them less |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. without full rights they can't be less exploitable n/t |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. I was referring to enforcement.... |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
97. Amnesty makes them less exploitable. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
29. Good Post. From what I know, I tend to agree. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
74. If Obama actually makes sure that employer enforcement |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
13. Yeah that's what we need to do right now |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Not to mention what it will do to, dare I even say it? Welfare. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Surely all 12 million illegals |
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showpan (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. The unions need to take off their beer goggle |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
39. I did not know that Unions are accepting people who doesn't go through an apprenticeship |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
54. Not making light of your statement but.... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
87. Does current welfare law require anyone to be a citizen before receiving welfare, etc.? |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
43. +1 |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
52. The workers are already here. This would just protect them, and... |
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Luciferous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
21. Why should we reward these people for breaking the law? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
89. They are already rewarded. They wanted to live/work here. They are doing that. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
22. If we give amnesty to 12 million, then next we will have 24 million up here. |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 03:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
51. Exactly. Amnesty should only occur if serious reform and serious enforcement |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Serious reform and serious enforcement cost serious dollars |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
55. amnesty or no amnesty those seeking and gaining illegal entry won't change |
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optimator (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
23. Dems hate being in power |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
64. I don't think Tancredo is part of the democratic base |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
24. Wow, I guess nothing brings out racism on DU like immigration. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Racism? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I see your avatar is from a former mexican state. |
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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. The country is bankrupt! |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Because the average citizen is suffering |
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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Agreed |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 02:09 AM Response to Reply #34 |
45. People who are here are here |
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Pyrophile (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 02:29 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Enforcing the law would cause them to leave |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Undocumented immigrants are leaving. They're going home in the same way that they came. |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. You're all over it like a rash |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Ah you're a hoot |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. I am to please. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. What in the hell does that have to do |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. The poor and hungry people don't have the opportunities to wait just like everyone else. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Yeah, they do. |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. Advocation or no advocation |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
65. Poverty is one of the courses that we have too many criminals |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. Yet another good point |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
96. So, Juan is sitting in his village in Michoacan... |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
57. I make it a point to remind my US history students that if the native |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I'll be damned |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
70. The "R" word is used a lot when we try to discuss this topic. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. When the news networks publish pictures of "illegal aliens" |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. If that's the case, the news networks need to be held accountable for portraying an innacurate... |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
73. I have a card I keep in my wallet. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. those cards from the Pembina Nation Little Shell Tribe |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. No, the Lumbi Indians.... |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
48. Well if they actually follow through on tougher |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. Do you seriously think |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Immigrants would have to pay their taxes before they get their visa |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
66. Amnesty: a bad idea under Bush... |
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Gin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #66 |
88. wonder what Mexico would offer me if I entered that country |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Let's discuss that when Mexico has 20 million undocumented immigrants. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. If we "can't afford" to enforce our laws, we are no longer a sovereign country. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
94. Yet ANOTHER Bush policy that Obama is championing... |
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