Government Sources: "The U.S. Would Prefer Saddam Be Killed"

"and not taken alive."

Reported by Jim Michaslefski (sp.???), NBC News, the Pentagon. I just caught this at the tail end of a taped report about Saddam's new tape referring to his sons being martyrs, shown at the beginning of "Hardball."


Chris Matthews just said, "The one thing we know is that if there's a trial, he gets to speak." Then he asked Amatzia Baram (U.S. Institute of Peace) what he thought Saddam would say. Baram said the main thing Saddam would say would be "You liars. . . you said I had weapons of mass destruction -- where are they?"

Saddam will reveal all of the dirty dealings he had with past American Administrations going back to Ronald Reagan.

The Bush family, like the Mafiosi they are, doesn't want any live witnesses!

I am sure that he's being hidden by U.S. enemies because of his sudden value to the arabic intelligence community, so I'm sure he will never be found by Bush.

...I am sure Saddam has documents and data files stored somewheres (it is so easy to do on the internet, to store data at a web host/ftp site, even free ones) that would prove beyond a doubt that Saddam himself was doublecrossed by the Bush Crime Cabal, and Poppy and the Bohemian Grove group and their ilk, can't have that happening.


BTW: KICK

legitimate, he must be someplace fairly safe.

Get it all out into the open. He might not have all that much provable info on the BFEE, but he might give everyone a few more leads.

Do something ethical for once in your life, Saddam! Tell everyone everything!

"Dead Men Tell No Tales." It would be mighty inconvenient for Junior and the boys to have a former client who can recite their fromer business dealings chapter and verse tell his story to the world. His stories of the intricacies of their former relationshp would not help BushCo's Winston Smith style PR campaign to erase from the worlds' memory his former status as a good friend of Rummy and the boys. Also there is that inconvenient matter of him being able to refute the bogus weapons of mass destruction claims. Makes that whole fast and furious administration revisionist history process too messy.

We know how that works.

It's illegal to kill hussein, just like it was illegal to kill his sons, but no one will dare stand up to them and point the finger, now will they?

He is a military leader who is heading up combat forces against the U.S. That makes killing him legal.

As for what he knows, if he knows so much, he would be talking now.

What if they went after the Bush family - like the US went after Ottie and Kootie - legal too?

Stupid moran GOP logic.

Under the rules of war, Bush was fair game to them. He is the head of the armed forces as was/is Saddam.

The ones you made up?

The ones the GOP made up?

There has been a standing Executive Order against assassinations in place since 1974.

Did you countermand that too????

Stupid fucking GOP logic.

It has nothing to do with executive orders. The leader of the enemy military is always a viable target.

Congress did not decare war on I-raq.

The UN did not authorize US military action against I-raq.

Therefore all stupid GOP make believe "Rules of War" do not apply.

All US military actions against I-raq are thus illegal - including the assassination of the I-raqi leadership.

Game over.

Combat has its own rules. The leader of the guys trying to kill you is a viable target, whether or not the war was legit. (It wasn't.)

Did Saddam attack the US??? No

Did Saddam even threaten the US??? No

Did the US illegally and preemptively invade I-raq??? Yes

Does I-raq have any legitimate rights of self defense under the Made-Up-GOP-Rules-Of-War??? Apparently not.

Combat does have its Rules - they are called the Geneva Convention.

Has the US complied with the GC in I-raq???? Who cares according the GOP

Is hostage taking is OK under the GC - the GOP sez Yes!

Does the GC sanction the assassination of defeated govenment officials AFTER "major combat operations" have ended - yes according to the GOP.

It is inconceivable how anyone on this board can defend the indefensible actions of the Bush Administration in this war.

Like I said before - game over.

All I said is that killing Saddam is legal. It is. Game over.

I did not defend the invasion in any way, shape, or form. Game over.

Your rhetoric seems to be compromising your logic skills. Game over.

US?

UN?

Geneva Convention ?

The Hague?

More GOP make-believe bullshit.

LOL!

geesh.

Mr. Bush.

an oil-rich country that posed no threat to the US or its neighbors.

The families of 249+ dead American soldiers and 7000 dead
I-raqi civilians thank you too.

All Bush apologists can kiss my ass.

And when you find * apologists, point them out to me. I don't see any here.

no one knows where he is. He has no weapons, no military, no WMDs, no bio weapons, and HASN'T FOR THE PAST 10 years.

There are no mass graves post-dating 1992, there isn't one iota, one shred, much less one MOLECULE of ANY evidence hussein has been doing anything illegal OTHER than selling some oil on the black market.

BIG FUKCING DEAL.

It's all a HUGE lie.

AND it's illegal to assassinate anyone, including the sons of hussein. (which didn't really happen like they said it did anyway, but that there is a WHOLE NUTHER oprah).

Wake up!

I don't believe he's controlling anything or his son's would have been better hidden and had some better protection that camping out at their cousin's house with a few friends, it all stinks of "on the lamb" to me. I don't think the resistance has anything to do with him and I'm damn sure he isn't on the phone calling people and ordering them to attack, but I'm not in Iraq, I don't know any more than Bush does who if anyone is behind the guerrillas.

The more interesting point is that Bush would rather have him dead than captured which seems to completely pass you by in your sudden defense of assassination when the point was motive not action.

I don't believe Saddam is harboring any great wealth of info. If he were, he has had ample time to divulge it to foreign journalists and the world.

Saddam was and is a miserable bastard. No, that does not justify the invasion. But once combat commenced, he became a viable target.

the only thing interesting is they want him dead instead of playing up the PR campaign that a trial would create, there has to be a reason for that.

no casus belli? How about international law? Legal in Texas, I'm sure.

Amatzia Baram (U.S. Institute of Peace) disagreed with Jed Babbin (Fmr. Undersecretary of Defense), who argued that Saddam is stretching credibility to talk about jihad since the Baathist Party has always been secular.

Baram said: "For the last twenty years, Saddam has been Islamizing himself, all the time, and recreating, reinventing himself as a great Muslim leader. Furthermore, he pretends to be a latter-day Mahdi. No ,no, no, Saddam has been Islamizing the party during the last ten years in a way which is unbelievable. . ."

Baram said more in this vein, which helps me to understand the Koran that Saddam allegedly wrote in his own blood. No doubt others remember the photos of the mosque where the Koran is housed. Baram also made a statement to the effect that "If you die in battle fighting Christians or Jews, you're a hero and a martyr."


I Googled Mahdi and here's a quote:

Who Is Imam Mahdi?

Note: Please do not confuse Imam Mahdi with Hadhrat Isa (Jesus) Alayhis Salaam. They are two different persons, and both will come during the last days. According to Hadeeth, Imam Mahdi will appear first, and Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will appear during Imam Mahdi's lifetime. Furthermore, only Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will be able to kill Dajjal (the "anti-Christ").
 
The term "MAHDI" is a title meaning "The Guided one".

more. . .

http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/imam.html

Edit: A bit more, including the fact that this is a Sunni belief.

1. Mahdi Mahdimä´de, in Sunni Islam, the restorer of the faith. He will appear at the end of time to restore justice on earth and establish universal Islam. The Mahdi will be preceded by al-Dajjal, a Muslim antichrist, who will be slain by Jesus. This belief is not rooted in the Qur'an but has...

I'm for it. Scott Peterson is distraction enough. The Saddam on Trial Show would be too much.

that would be a CNN moment...

I figure the guy's got a treasure trove of info about US intelligence and government wheeling and dealing. Ya, sure, better off dead!-for the embarassment it would cause our "leaders" if the inside info he has ever came out!

Of course he is a despicable evil man...but for a long time he was "our" evil despicable man and if I were him I'd be making sure all of his papers dealing with our "leaders" somehow comes to light, at the least just to show how close he was at one time with our current junta.

Sadaam's legacy = BFEE finally "outed" in mainstream press?

OK maybe I do stretch...

he could tell some tells about this administration. They don't care about any information of WMD because he does not have any. They want him gone so he can tell no tells. He started with that when he put the names of suppliers here in the U.S. out there. Caused these companies to defend their dealings with him.

I never heard this (or my memory is lots worse than I thought!)

Back in Feb, maybe first week of March. He posted some things about who he had received weapons things from. It was a list of companies. Printed in the German papers. It was a news story that died real quick in the States. It naned names of companies. Can't imagine why it died here.

Or so was claimed by left-wing German Tageszeitung in December 2002.

Remember, the report that was to be given to the UN, but snatched by the U.S. and "sanitized" for all but the permanent members of the UN security council. Tageszeitung claimed they got parts of the censored papers.

The list of companies delivering weapons to Irak since the mid-seventies: http://www.taz.de/pt/2002/12/19/a0080.nf/text

On edit: Here's an English version: http://csf.colorado.edu/forums/m-fem/2002/msg00270.html

As well, there were lot's of German companies on the list as well.
"According to the paper, only one country had more business ties to
Iraq than the U.S. That was Germany. As many as 80 German companies
are also listed in Iraq's report. And the paper reported that some
German companies continued to do business with Iraq until last year"

I had seen it before but don't think I had seen the English version.

Anyone know what the letters in parenths stand for?

1 Honeywell (R, K)

pulling a lot of pages out of the report.

:kick:

missed something like that if it had been given more than very limited coverage.

first thing I see this morning on a Yahoo headline---"US Hunts Saddam After Threatenting Tape" The horror and filthiness of a president lying to his own people and to the world to justlfy invasion and killing of thousands of innocent people, as well as hundred of our own soldiers has been forgotten--we have now "moved on" to witness a personal hyped up battle between SAddam and Bush--just like his daddy did--this is so sick-so sick

his sons. They gave up the country/oil and left the people to fight for their country.

And have all who oppose him shot.

"It would be a lot easier if I were a dictator" - GW Bush

posted "to" my original message but I don't see a question there or in other posts. :shrug:

When Bush I ousted him and dragged him back to the US in chains, they kept the trial secret so Noreiga couldn't spill the beans on all of Bush's corrupt deals in Nicaragua. I still don't think the press is allowed to interview him.

The TV interview with Dan Rather was well received by the American
people. Saddam Hussein spoke in measured tones, and looked directly
into the camera and said "There are no Weapons of Mass Destruction".

There are no Weapons of Mass Destruction. He told the truth. That
just won't be allowed again. Sad to see that our country has come
to this.

Who could have possibly predicted that the repukes would want to "silence" Saddam?

Is Noreiga still cooling his heels in a Florida prison?

so pre July 25!

As every day goes by the sicker I become with killer in office.