Immigration overhaul bill unveiled in House

Source: LA Times

Immigration overhaul bill unveiled in House
The legislation, which includes a path to legalization, is met with criticism from conservatives and liberals.

By Antonio Olivo and Teresa Watanabe
December 16, 2009

Reporting from Los Angeles and Chicago - Raising the curtain on a new round of debate over immigration reform, a group of Democratic congressional lawmakers introduced a comprehensive bill Tuesday that, among other provisions, would offer a path to legalization for the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants.

The bill, championed by Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (D-Ill.), was decidedly more pro-immigrant than the bipartisan legislation House lawmakers debated two years ago. And the latest version drew immediate fire from the left as well as the right. Groups opposed to legalization derided it as a form of amnesty, and more-liberal factions complained that it relied too heavily on enforcement.

In Los Angeles, immigration activists hailed the measure at a news conference before heading to local lawmakers' offices -- aboard a yellow school bus festooned with banners -- to urge their support.

"This is a big day for us," said Jorge-Mario Cabrera of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles. "Our community has been awaiting this bill for a long time."


Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-immigration-bill16-2009dec16,0,149598.story

Them versus Us, of course, compliments of the GOP slime machine.

It's an organic processes in the RW.

Bill Moyers' Journal explained how Republicans backed away when immigration reform was advanced by *43. Legislators had received death threats.

at least 10 times in the text. As in 2007 it will be the favorite word of Rush, Glenn and Lou (well, maybe not Lou :) ).

There seems to be a RW rule that you can't write or talk about immigration reform without using "Amnesty" prominently and as many times as humanly (I use that term loosely with respect to Rush and the boys) possible. ;)

Didn't Ronnie Raygun do this exact same thing? How well did that work out? We've seen this movie before and the ending really sucks. We went from 3 million illegal immigrants to 12 to 20 million.

Leave the immigrants alone. Simply fine and jail illegal employers.

introduced today, which provides a long overdue and sensible approach to immigration reform and protects the interests of all workers—foreign and U.S.-born."

http://blog.aflcio.org/2009/12/15/immigration-reform-bill-protects-all-workers/

"In a statement, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said “the current system can no longer allow a broken immigration system to strips workers of their rights on the job,

"robbing them of earned pay, the ability to collectively bargain for benefits and often placing their lives in danger, forced to work in unsafe conditions. It also penalizes law-abiding employers by forcing them into unfair competition with those that violate workers’ rights to grow their profit margins and then use the excuse of immigration status to avoid penalty or prosecution.""

"The bill contains some key elements of the union movement’s joint framework for immigration reform (http://blog.aflcio.org/2009/04/14/afl-cio-change-to-win-agree-on-joint-immigration-framework), including:

* An inclusive and effective solution that allows a path for undocumented immigrants to come forward and regularize their status. Trumka says “this is fundamental to our ability to crack down on employers who are using unauthorized workers to drive down wages and other standards.”
* An independent commission to assess and manage future flow of immigrants, based on labor market shortages that are determined on the basis of actual need.
* Reform, not expansion of existing temporary worker programs immediately to stop the exploitation of workers and safeguard standards in impacted industries."

and to bring in others to take those jobs that remain. That's exactly what is happening. The Democratic party and the unions used to stand by the American workers. That is no longer the case.

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that's precisely what is happening today.

Most Democratic legislators will probably end up voting for it (as in 2007) and most (maybe all now, voting as a bloc like they do) republicans will end voting against it (as in 2007).

That's the extent of my "spin".

only stated the obvious. That's what we need to be dealing with and this bill does little to address that.

It is easy to be so magnanimous to immigrants who are here illegally when you have a job, even it pays low

You can't be accused of having an overly developed sense of shame! :hi:

your tenacity in sticking to a meme. If you repeat it often enough, it must be true, right?

It doesn't matter that the Chamber does not support this reform, while the Progressive Caucus and organized labor do. I'm still spouting the Chamber party line.

I was going to say something about you, shame and the Progressive Caucus and organized labor "party line", but that would be discussing you as a poster rather than the content of your post. ;)

Page 9.

http://www.uschamber.com/NR/rdonlyres/eneprsgc5dlejmf7wir7weqdbwmz3fgwtm63jjh5bqvk2u4xb4qkryeuroebrkuzt2tllqkeebhkb2xkq6azy4v6uhc/0909priorities.pdf

"I respect your tenacity in sticking to a meme."

You're a single issue poster (cheap labor), which makes this a bizarre and comical statement coming from you!

:hi:

of this bill or Obama's framework for reform. We all know that the Chamber has a position on immigration reform. That's what your link confirms, not that they endorse this.

"You're a single issue poster (cheap labor), which makes this a bizarre and comical statement coming from you!" Either you don't get around much, have a very selective memory or you just don't go to the same threads as me.[/i} ;)

your smear by association style of "debate" has already been deleted once on this thread, at any rate.

It's a fundamentally dishonest style of "discussion", regardless of which link says what. :hi:

But once their status are legalized they'll be able to pay taxes.

living on the Tx mexico border, when they got amnesty way back when, I can remember a bunch of them on tv complaning that now the farmers were robbing them by taking the witholding out of their checks whereas before they had not, so many of them left and were replaced by a new group, this wont solve the problem, history will repeat itself again.

:shrug:

once all the old cheap labor is legal, a new wave of cheap labor from the south will advance up a notch just like in the 80's

The hits just keep coming! :eyes:

Hopefully it is as successful as last time.

"written by the Chamber of Commerce". Is there a progressive/liberal organization anywhere in the country that opposes this kind of immigration reform? I know there's plenty of conservative opposition.

The other political party's (who shall not be named) legislators will probably "rescue" you from the prospect of immigration reform as they did in 2007.

That is if we're discounting the mighty support provided by the US Chamber of Commerce, Agribusiness and that kosher slaughterhouse that was employing all the children.

:hi:

the vote totals.

You must endorse torture and every other negative policy endorsed by W. Bush, based on the same "logic" you deploy upthread. :hi:

you must endorse ...the position of Rush and the republicans on this.

Never mind. When you want to accuse me of "spouting the Chamber" line, why not be sure that I'm saying something the Chamber agrees with rather than something that is endorsed by the Progressive Caucus and labor and which the Chamber, at best, has not taken a position on.

And during a recession?! I hope this fails...

Especially Detroit.

E-Verify--IS--the answer to illegal immigration because it WORKS! It--MUST--and should be permanent, with sufficient penalties for violations. Blogger's have demonstrated to me that if employers explain to old and new hires, that the US government is implementing audits of companies throughout America. That any time ICE agents might appear without any warning and run an audit on any business at any time. That their 1-9's will be submitted to ICE, including photocopies of documents that--YOU--gave to us at the beginning of employment. ICE seems to be the magic word that means detention and deportation for anybody working under assumed Social Security cards, ID and other ill-gotten documentation if caught. Once alerted to this implication, those in this country illegally will be absent from work the next day. E-VERIFY IS THE ANSWER TO THE DESPERATE JOBLESS AMERICAN WORKERS AND MUST BE MADE PERMANENT. AN E-VERIFY LAW IS WHAT WE NEED, NOT ANOTHER OBNOXIOUS AMNESTY, THAT WAS NEVER ENFORCED AS IN 1986. DON'T CONDEMN US LABOR AGAIN , ENFORCE THE 1986 LAW.

We all know the astronomical costs attributed to the illegal immigration invasion over many decades in education, health care and incarceration. So get on the phone and insist as a voter for your lawmaker to vote for

THE SAVE ACT (H.R. 3308) and be relentless.One main enforcement tools is E-Verify, that discloses and removes illegal workers from job locations. The capitol switchboard number is 202-224-3121. Also bombard the House-Senate policy makers with 28 cent postcards, to stop the open border organizations from engineering another Comprehensive Immigration reform or AMNESTY. GOOGLE and investigate the terrible consequences of illegal immigrants and families, demanding rights in the--SANCTUARY STATE OF CALIFORNIA. On the brink of bankruptcy, overcrowded schools where English is a second language, and Liberal-Marxist-Extremist politicians in Sacramento, spending the peoples money to subsidize the low incomes of millions illegal foreign nationals. EXPECT A FINANCIAL cataclysmic nightmare, if AMNESTY passes.

Bad as it is now millions more will enter America without permission causing even more chaos. Honest legal immigrants will be dumbfounded, when they learn illegal aliens will pay only $500 dollars to get legitimate status, While those people who went through the government inspection process and attorney filling fees for $2,500 dollars or more waiting for years to be accepted.

Tell them to amend the 1986 Immigration Reform Act and not another travesty that was a total disaster to taxpayers. Virginia Abernethy, Ph.D., former chief statistician for the Bureau of the Census said in September 2006 at a speech in Washington DC, that there has been a intentional undercount going on, so that the claimed figure over the 305-million population did not happen in 2005 but instead as early as-- 2001. Those who believe in America’s survival, without OVERPOPULATION as stated by the US Census bureau better read the facts, not the lies at NUMBERSUSA. Those who want details of corruption in WASHINGTON and state government go to JUDICIAL WATCH. For Overpopulation statistics, should go to CAPSWEB. Other sites of interest on Immigration enforcement is ALIPAC and AMERICAN PATROL

Anybody can copy and paste. We need to warn the general public?