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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:19 AM
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Our (Aussie) pilots refused to bomb 40 times (in Iraq)
Australia's F/A-18 pilots defied the orders of American commanders and refused to drop their bombs on up to 40 missions during the invasion of Iraq, it can now be revealed.

In a remarkable account of how our airmen applied Australian rules of engagement, an RAAF pilot has told The Sun-Herald each of the 14 RAAF Hornet pilots aborted three to four bombing runs because intelligence given at pre-flight briefings did not concur with what they found at the target.

Last night, The Sun-Herald could not confirm whether or not American field commanders raised objections about the Australian pilots' actions, nor if US pilots later carried out the bombing runs themselves.

But Australia's Defence Force chief, General Peter Cosgrove backed the pilots' action, and said there were no recriminations.

Squadron Leader Daryl Pudney last week described how he and other Australian F/A-18 pilots were forced to weigh up the risk of civilian casualties in a split second before dropping their bombs.

He said pilots broke off many missions after they saw the target and decided there was not a valid military reason to drop their bombs.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/13/1078594618101.html

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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:24 AM
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1. Anyone know how common this is during wartime engagements?
If not a common experience, are we to believe US intelligence is just plain awful at times?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:59 AM
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9. What does U. S. intelligence have to do with the targeting of enemy...
...positions during ground combat? That task is the primary responsibility of spotters on the ground (forward air observers and artillery spotters), or in the air (remotely piloted vehicles and live pilots).

Reading between the lines, it appears to me that the Aussies refused to drop their ordinance on heavily populated areas, and/or targets of a questionable nature. Unlike American pilots, they have the right to refuse to drop bombs on a target if they so choose.

To answer your question directly, an American pilot who refuses to drop ordinance on a designated target can find themselves in a lot of hot water. Quite a few of those targets tend to be of a questionable nature because of the fast pace of combat and what is known as the "fog of combat". That's how some Americans and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians have been killed during this unjustified war.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:25 AM
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2. 40 times out of how many
?
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:34 AM
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3. It's understood now that the bombings had NOTHING to do with suppressing
violence or conquering the Iraqi people. It was nothing more than a massive demolition exercise to destroy the city, in order for halliburton et al to have so much more to rebuild and capitalize and profiteer off of, using OUR tax dollars.

thanks george.

At least the aussies had some integrity...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:42 AM
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4. Can't ya just here Rummy whining about the 'slackers'?
I'd like to buy those pilots all a beer. Fine gentlemen.
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dand Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:53 AM
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5. God bless Aussies,
that really took balls:toast:
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:56 AM
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6. My hat's off to these guys
I wish our pilots had the guts to do the same thing.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:57 AM
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7. We can only wish that our services employed the same strategies!
Thank you for posting this...we can only hope that these were not put back into the mix and bombed by other forces :(

What backbone, conviction, and courage!!! Something we see less and less of these days...the light grows dim.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:58 AM
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8. The Australians weren't indoctrinated with Shock and Awe
or any of the other neo-conservative dominated military doctrines of BFEE PNACers.

Here are a few links into the dimension of mind that Reichmarshall Rumsfeld and others tred.

But not the Australians. Good on them!

Shock and Awe
http://www.dodccrp.org/shockIndex.html

Revolution in Political and Military Affairs/RPMA
http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/coup.htm

And the mother of all links to US military think-tank papers
Warfare In The 21st Century
http://carlisle-www.army.mil/library/bibs/warfar03.htm
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 10:51 AM
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10. Peace kick.
:dem:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:26 AM
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11. Did our guys make judgment calls, too?
Or were they forced to carry out their missions regardless of what they saw of the actual target?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:46 AM
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12. Men of conscience! They are desperately needed.
So glad you posted this.

It takes a lot more maturity, a lot more self-respect, more courage, and a lot more goodness to do this.

We need to believe there are still people in the world like this, and hope they won't be the only ones. Someone doing something RIGHT could start a movement!
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GregW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:58 AM
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13. Aussie! Aussie! Aussie! Oi! Oi! Oi!
Here's a toast with the lovely nectar, Fourex, to my Aussie mates with a conscience!

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