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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:56 PM
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Democrats Slam Brakes on Health Care Overhaul
Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — With no clear path forward on major health care legislation, Democratic leaders in Congress effectively slammed the brakes on President Obama’s top domestic priority on Tuesday, saying that they no longer felt pressure to move quickly on a health bill after eight months of setting deadlines and missing them.

The Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, deflected questions about health care. “We’re not on health care now,” he said. “We’ve talked a lot about it in the past.” He added, “There is no rush,” and noted that Congress still had most of this year to work on the health bills passed in 2009 by the Senate and the House.

Mr. Reid said that he and the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi of California, were working to map out a way to complete a health care overhaul in coming months. “There are a number of options being discussed,” Mr. Reid said, emphasizing “procedural aspects” of the issue.

At the same time, two centrist Democratic senators who are up for re-election this year, Blanche L. Lincoln of Arkansas and Evan Bayh of Indiana, said that they would resist efforts to muscle through a health care bill using a parliamentary tactic called budget reconciliation, which seemed to be the simplest way to advance the measure.

The White House has said in recent days that it would support that approach.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/health/policy/27health.html
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Old Codger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:02 PM
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1. Talk about
Out of touch with reality.. wow, these people really have no idea what is reality out here in the real world.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:12 PM
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25. Yep. And "No Clear path"?!?!?!?!?
I could not see a clearer path if it were displayed as a map on Harry Reid's forehead.

What a sad point we are in. Massachussetts could have been such a learning lesson for everybody. This is turning into a worst case scenario. Why are democrats such PUSSIES?!??!?!?!?! The Democratic party is like a very close friend who is addicted to crack. You wonder why they are making such odd decisions and it is so painful to watch them self-descruct. Maybe Meth is a better analogy. Right now the Democratic party has a horrible case of Meth Mouth.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:07 PM
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45. Someday, One can only hope, the majority of people will figure out these decsions they make are not
"odd", or "baffling", or "confusing", or "out of touch".

They aren't "Spineless".

They aren't "Pussies".

They are kinder, gentler versions of the other side of the fake political paradigm.

They are no more on your side than the bastards in the other party.

This. Is. By.

DESIGN

Theater.

There is no Representative Government left.

And We The People had better wake up to that.

And Soon.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:30 PM
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46. That much has become crystal clear.
Kabuki Theater,
and I've already seen this one.
It ends badly for the Working Class.

By Design


The DLC New Team

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:17 PM
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:05 PM
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2. More than 3,700 Americans dying every month from lack of health insurance...
Nope, no hurry, no rush.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:57 PM
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44. Not sure if the current bill could prevent that
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:09 PM
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3. only first world country with medical bankruptcies.
and that's ok?

medicare for all. if it takes ten years, it takes ten years.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:57 PM
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22. This is nonetheless the best extreme RW country among first world countries
:P
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:15 PM
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4. Democrats Place New Roadblock to Health Care Bill
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 07:08 PM by The Northerner
Source: Associated Press

Two centrist senators on Tuesday threw up a roadblock to salvaging President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, as Democrats agonized over whether to push forward or shift to idle until political resistance subsides.

Sens. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark. — both face re-election this year in Republican-leaning states — said they would oppose the strategy Democratic leaders are considering to reconcile the House and Senate bills and put comprehensive legislation on Obama's desk.

That approach involves using a special budget-related procedure to go around Republican opponents in the Senate, a calculated risk sure to inflame critics on the political right.

"There are no easy choices," acknowledged House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md, insisting that the goal remains the same: to pass far-reaching legislation that would expand coverage, reduce costs and improve quality.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
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NavyMom Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:15 PM
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5. Geesh, these two need to be primaried or have a GOP in their seat
since we ALL know they don't stand for crap.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:15 PM
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6. It's not a *new* roadblock --a 51 vote vote approach was predicated on *not* getting their support
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 07:07 PM by CreekDog
the screenplay is already written and now the players are delivering their lines.

totally predictable.

improving the Senate bill was never going to be something that a handful of Senate Democrats would go along with and here's proof.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:15 PM
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7. So stupid. They will lose anyway if nothing gets through. I am so sick of these
fools from the Red states. Why not just call yourself Repubs and get real.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:15 PM
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8. Hey, dumbass Press, we don't need all 59 Dems to do this. Wake the hell up.
We only need 50 for Reconcilliation and the House to pass the Senate Bill (and the Reconcilliation Bill).
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:25 PM
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14. Hoosiers and Arkansan Democrats need to call their senators
They obviously are seeing this as a popular thing to do. Maybe if they heard their constituents - especially those the bill would help - it could change their position.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:17 PM
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9. Bunch of fucking losers.
MAYBE if you had actually fought Obama, you'd be in a better place than you are today.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:21 PM
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10. "There is no rush"
...and there is no more Democratic majority come November
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:22 PM
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:27 PM
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16. That worked really well in the dysfunctional 109th Congress
Do you remember when the Republicans controlled everything and rammed through things like the bankruptcy bill?

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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:22 PM
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12. HCR has been dead for a week now...
The carcass is cold and lifeless, but the family still can't let it go. No one wants to be the first to admit its no longer with us.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:23 PM
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13. I don't know whom I dislike more:
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 07:24 PM by Bette Noir
Evan Bayh and Blanche Lincoln, for playing Repubs in Dems clothing, or Harry Reid, for saying there's no rush. Not for him, maybe- he has health insurance. For those of us who either have no insurance, or are stuck in jobs we hate because we couldn't get insurance otherwise, there's plenty of rush.

edited for grammar
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:18 PM
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27. SPOT ON! they don't seem to give a SH*T because they have health care, what about the millions who
DON'T!??? And who are already sick, or on the verge of getting sick (diseased)?

pretty dang important and a bit of a RUSH there!



If they blow this, and we don't get real and decent reform, they will lose millions of vote in 2010 and potentially 10 million in 2012! They appear OWNED by the corporations - and it won't matter (with health care, at least, even if greatly matters on MANY other issues) who is in power, they're all owned by insurance...

thanks for your post Bette.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:17 PM
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40. Harry Reid will be out of the senate in November. He loses in NV. But we
will probably lose 10 more so it won't matter what happens about a majority leader.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:25 PM
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15. Please don't rush to get sick
unless you want to be SOL. :eyes:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:38 PM
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17. Not sure I buy this.
:shrug:
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:07 PM
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23. I'm with you ....
Trust, but, verify...some guy once said. :shrug:
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Spacemom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:41 PM
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18. "There is no rush"
Tell that to a diabetic who can't afford insulin. Me.

Everyday they delay brings me that much closer to blindness, kidney failure and amputation. Sure, no rush here. :mad:
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eddywillams Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 04:14 PM
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47. Sorry to hear that
Study this site, may people with diabetes have found it helpful, anyway getting this stuff in check is better then conventional treatment that just treats the symptoms anyway

http://robbwolf.com/
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Don Draper Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:47 PM
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19. There also won't be a rush of progressives going to the polls this November
Who do these assholes think they are? Did they not learn their lesson last week?

The further they wimp out and cave to the right, the bigger they are going to loose.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:48 PM
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20. Well, surprise, surpise, surprise!!! n/t
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:51 PM
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21. "There's no rush." Un-fucking-believable.
If you not in a rush to save lives, then we won't be in a rush to save yours (political life).
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:08 PM
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24. Sure, no rush.
No rush for me. I have had this virus for years, and by the time I got health care, I was already in stage IV cirrhosis. So no hurry for me, Harry!

Fucking assholes.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:14 PM
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26. I'm going to pretend like I didn't read this and this story doesn't exist
Because my own sanity depends upon it.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:19 PM
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28. amen... I am so frustrated, I don't want my fragile health being tipped, gotta stay positive!
and gonna ignore the rich bastards with govt health care not giving a sh*t about people who are suffering all over this country.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:22 PM
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29. Look. There is NO reconcilation with the Party of No!!!!!
Why try to fit a round peg in a square hole? I'd rather have a good health care bill with public option even if those senators lose their seats for introducing "socialized medicine" than a crummy one with the Democrats still in control.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:38 PM
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30. Awww, Too Bad
Just when the corporate whores were ready to celebrate too
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:50 PM
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31. I was listening to a short audio clip of George Carlin today...
Every day we come here and read about one outrage after another perpetrated by Democrats. We read about outrages committed by Republicans too, but we know what Republicans stand for and we expect them to be evil. Here we have the Democratic leader of the Senate telling millions of Americans without access to health care, many who are literally dying because of it, that there is "no rush". George Carlin provides an alternative to outright hatred. What he has to say describes the effect that the current occupants of Congress and the WH are having on the party's base.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f0GStBCeUU
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:50 PM
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32. ALWAYS the wrong move
Move to the Center when the the polls say move to the Left. Compromise on HCR when the base says hold firm.

Continue Bush policies when people are sick to death of them.

They could have struck while the iron was hot and passed everything while the nation was distracted.

But no, they move firmly and steadily to the Right.

MM was right. They're disgusting.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:01 PM
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33. What a bunch of losers.
I knew that these people were weak, but this is beyond the pale.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:08 PM
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34. HCR is toxic now. The new third rail.
The GOPers and right wing media have succeeded. Sickening... literally.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:12 PM
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35. It passed 60-39 in the senate, and it dies with large majority in the house.
What a bunch of losers. I have to blame Reid.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:31 PM
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41. That was prior to the Massacre in Massachusettes...
No politician up for election wants to touch HCR now.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:40 PM
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43. It sure looks that way now. We lose the house in November and maybe 7 or 8 senate seats
so forget it. It's dead.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:15 PM
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:16 PM
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37. Can't wait to see this year's campaign ads
:eyes:
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:17 PM
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39. Is Pelosi Quoted in the Article?

I can't access it for some reason. We all know Reid wants to table this for a while so he can focus on his own reelection. However, I doubt Pelosi shares the "no rush" sentiment. And Obama may not either.

Bayh and Lincoln are, as others have noted, not part of this process and are completely irrelevant.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:02 PM
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42. if pushing....
...universal healthcare through this Congress is impossible , then we'll push this impossible Congress out of office....

....the healthcare problem remains huge and must be dealt with immediately....the path is clear; we must elect true Progressives at an accelerated rate....we can't continue to let this corporate elite and their schills kill us in the name of profit....

....now is not the time to quit or be discouraged, now is the time to draw political blood....
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