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ElmoBlatz Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 05:41 PM
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Guantanamo should close within 3 years: report
Source: Reuters

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - President Barack Obama should be able to close the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay during his first term, despite missing his original deadline, a senior U.S. State Department official said on Wednesday.

U.S. special envoy in charge of closing Guantanamo, Daniel Fried, said Washington was in talks with several governments about hosting more detainees from the military prison in Cuba.

"Yes," he said, when asked whether closing Guantanamo in the three remaining years of Obama's term was realistic. "I am confident it will be closed under President Obama's first term," he told reporters in Brussels.

"That's one of the reasons we are here. We wanted to brief our European colleagues about our progress," he said after meetings with European Union officials to drum up support for resettlement in the bloc.



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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 05:42 PM
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1. Or not.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 05:46 PM
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2. If the previous admin had WANTED to close Gitmo
It would have been done within days if not hours and we'd only hear about it after the fact.

Democrats either can't do anything or they aren't trying.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:21 PM
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4. So fill me in on the negotiations, I wasn't invited to attend.
Where have they decided to put the unmentionables? How many more can be returned to their, or other countries willing to take them? Why did bush leave 250 there when he's sent so many back? And why those 250? Bush wanted Gitmo closed, he said so. Now you are saying he could have done within days, if not hours. Seems like that concept is all wet because of those left there for Obama.

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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:36 PM
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5. It's not just your fellow DU'er that said it could be closed swiftly.
For years it was agreed by folks from the right and the left it needed to be closed and now the best excuse provided is, it's so hard?
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:42 PM
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7. Evidently it is so hard.
The crybabies don't want the prisoners in the US. IL excluded, we'll take them and the money the prison will bring to the state.

And then there is that little matter of the torture...and how it would affect tribunals or trials.

Once again President Obama is moving on the matter, and damned if it's not quick enough for the instant gratification line.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:50 PM
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14. Your instant gratification reference exposes you as someone
who will accept any excuse.

I am not that far from believing as you do, I am just very weary of believing anything this President says anymore.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:57 PM
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19. I don't accept any excuse and I haven't seen any offered.

What I see is the cold, hard reality of getting the place emptied.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:04 PM
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26. You see what you want to see. Like I said I am not that far from
believing how you do even though these words may not show it.

And you excuse impotence. Well, I don't think the President is impotent.

You know why that prison isn't being closed? Politics and MASSACHUSETTS. The President ignores the facts of that election and is acting like a political coward.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:42 PM
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8. "Bush wanted Gitmo closed, he said so"
Well, then, there can hardly be any doubt about it, can there?

Bush wouldn't lie.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:45 PM
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11. Jeez here we go.
I post with some wingers at another site and they give me the same bullshit. I know you didn't mean it like that, did you? I'm sure you support the president in getting it closed.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:49 PM
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13. I support getting it closed.
I don't think Obama supports much of anything that he pays lip service to.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:55 PM
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18. Well you're wrong about the president.....
And it sucks to see a dem bad mouthing him.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:59 PM
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21. And you know that because?
It does suck. But the problems are not sucking rhetoric. The problems are people's fundamental human and Constitutional rights are being violated and the President's economic policies are running roughshod over the lower and middle classes.

Then President Obama should have tried harder, you know.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:02 PM
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24. This is where the spin gets spinning.....lower and middle class?
Are they in Gitmo?

I will leave you to your frustration.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:07 PM
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27. You are the one that brought up the question of what sucks
That your mind is incapable of recognizing how others may respond to that idea you threw up is surprising.

Would that my position were only one of frustration.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:59 PM
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22. How could you possibly know that?
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:09 PM
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29. Doesn't. Got nothing but excuses and slogans.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:18 PM
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3. Just privatize it or place an "Under New Management" sign like Bagram
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1232665/Why-Bagram-Guantanamos-evil-twin-Britains-dirty-secret.html

Guantanamo was bad for what it represented. I don't know who the President thinks he is fooling by closing the doors on this location and continuing the franchise elsewhere.

I get it that closing this prison would be a "step" that we should not ignore and should cheer but most of the world is on to us.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:41 PM
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6. "Should" = campaign promise broken
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:43 PM
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9. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
If he'd waited 3 years to get it started you'd have something to cry about.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:45 PM
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10. If it takes the president YEARS to close a prison...
Then he isn't trying.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:46 PM
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12. And you know this how?
Rush been talking again? Hannity? Beck? That is their spin.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:51 PM
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15. Yes, when someone makes a point, the best way to counter it is to smear them!
Whose playbook is that from?
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:52 PM
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16. +1
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:58 PM
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20. It's from yours.
Look at what you are saying about the President.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:00 PM
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23. The President is a tough guy, I am sure he will live.
Protecting the President from angry words must be a full time job?
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:03 PM
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25. LOL yes it is.
I'm the base.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:08 PM
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28. No, you seem to be the bumper sticker.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:11 PM
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30. Now THERE'S a statement I won't argue with!
You're the base.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:14 PM
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31. Awwwwww
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:17 PM
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33. jaxx, are you trying to provoke something that kills this thread?
Either that or you are insanely childish. I am sure there are other possibilities.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:21 PM
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34. Nope, I'm just giving back what I'm getting.
You might want to think about that.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:24 PM
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35. Waaa and Awww are what you are getting?
How am I supposed to take you seriously? Look at how you responded upthread.

How about you consider focusing on substance and lay off the excuses?
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:29 PM
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36. I don't see any substance in bashing the Democratic president.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:37 PM
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37. It only looks like bashing because he is making some wrong decisions
and your rhetoric seems to treasure the excuses. And saying you gave what you got was disingenuous.

I know you don't see things my way. I know it looks like people are "bashing" him, it just hurts more because you hear it from Dems. If he does the pivot or turn around, believe you me all of DU will roar. It confuses me to no end that people hold tight to the President even when he is continuing conservative agendas. It looks sycophantic or hero worship. The face of the President is less important than our Constitution and principles. What we choose to fight for matters. I don't expect you to understand, but there it is.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:44 PM
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38. No, I never understand someone talking down to me.
But then I consider the source and go on my way. I've given you way too much of my time.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:53 PM
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39. I did my best to help you understand my pov.
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 07:57 PM by Mithreal
If you want to avoid people "talking down to you" you might remind them of your superior place in society and how we are subordinate to you. You might also leave out the AWWWW and WAAAA, that does seem to weaken your defense.

And I appreciated your opinion. To the extent I disagreed, I challenged that opinion.

We are going to need people like you to help see us through the mess, just don't try and pull the wool over our eyes. Go on your way then, I wish you well.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:36 PM
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42. +1
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:35 PM
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41. No actually they don't want it closed... I do... What the hell are you smoking?
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:54 PM
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17. People see through the marketing and gimmicks. It's gonna make your job
that much harder.

I know where I stand, and that is on human rights, not excuses.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:15 PM
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32. Fairly important story to have zero recs.
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 08:08 PM by Mithreal
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:09 PM
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40. In other words, it won't be until after Obama gets the boot that anythhing proper will be done.
I guess those campaign promises U-bama kept making were intended for his successor after his one dismal term as bush's stand in.
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