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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:09 PM
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CIA Agent Takes Back Waterboarding Claims
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 07:32 PM by kpete
Source: CBS News

January 27, 2010 10:35 AM
CIA Agent Takes Back Waterboarding Claims


A former CIA operative who two years ago said a top al Qaeda member provided useful intelligence about the terrorist organization after being subjected to waterboarding for less than a minute is now saying he was wrong.

The former operative, John Kiriakou, concludes his new memoir, "The Reluctant Spy: My Secret Life in the CIA's War on Terror," by telling readers he now doubts the usefulness of the intelligence Qaeda agent Abu Zubaydah provided because the information came not after a few seconds but after being waterboarded more than 80 times, Foreign Policy magazine reported.

In late 2007, Kiriakou told ABC News's Brian Ross that Zubaydah "answered every question" after being subjected to waterboarding for "30 to 35 seconds" during his interrogation.

"In retrospect, it was a valuable lesson in how the CIA uses the fine arts of deception even among its own," Kiriakou writes.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/27/world/worldwatch/entry6146610.shtml



Now comes John Kiriakou, again, with a wholly different story. On the next-to-last page of a new memoir, The Reluctant Spy: My Secret Life in the CIA's War on Terror (written with Michael Ruby), Kiriakou now rather off handedly admits that he basically made it all up.

"What I told Brian Ross in late 2007 was wrong on a couple counts," he writes. "I suggested that Abu Zubaydah had lasted only thirty or thirty-five seconds during his waterboarding before he begged his interrogators to stop; after that, I said he opened up and gave the agency actionable intelligence."

But never mind, he says now.

"I wasn't there when the interrogation took place; instead, I relied on what I'd heard and read inside the agency at the time."

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/01/26/cia_man_retracts_claim_on_waterboarding?page=0,0
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:12 PM
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1. see that you stupid freeps... it doesn't work
if any of you want, I could show you myself. In fact, give me an hour, and I'll make you say just about anything.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:09 PM
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7. What "freeps" - there were TOO MANY IDIOTS WHO BOUGHT THAT HERE ON DU!!!
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 10:09 PM by TankLV
They still have yet to either renounce their delusional "beliefs" or admit they're the nut job repuke moles we suspect they are...!!!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:55 PM
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13. true... sad but true
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:45 AM
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10. heh, i think you give them too much credit
one minute is more like it :evilgrin:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:55 PM
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14. .
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:13 PM
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2. I don't know lets try it on O'Keefe and see if it works on him.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:14 PM
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3. Isn't it generally accepted that torture doesn't result in information, only in a
"confession" in order to appease the torturers?
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:54 PM
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6. False information. That's what the Bush administration sought.
They needed to link Saddam Hussein to the attacks on WTC and Pentagon. Torture is an excellent way to get false information.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:13 AM
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9. Good point. So in their case, it DID work! nt
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:14 PM
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4. We didn't do it, and we promise not to do it again n/t
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:26 PM
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5. I hope he comes out with what really happened on 9.11
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:41 PM
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8. The CIA lied!? Oh my FSM.
How could this happen?

We better not let this get out, it will ruin their credibility.
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:24 PM
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12. Back up a second - both links are to current stories. Did he say
before that he was there (a lie) or that it provided valuable intelligence (wrong, but not a lie if he believed it). There are plenty of misstatements by people on both sides every day and to call each one a lie is to not understand what a lie is. You want to change the tone in DC? I do - I don't want to hear "Liar" everytime President Obama, Speaker Pelosi or Senator Reid trips up.

What's ground truth on what he said before?
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 05:01 PM
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15. "(wrong, but not a lie if he believed it)"
I'm not laying all the blame on him. If he was only repeating what her heard, then someone else started the lie. He comes out looking foolish either way.
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 06:42 PM
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16. Thanks for the clarification - I'm a little sensitive when lying,
cheating or stealing are alleged. I lost approx 150 classmates (Class of 1977) in West Point's largest cheating scandal. Although about 2/3 were readmitted to subsequent classes, including one who became President of Costa Rica, it still stings. In my company, we started 2nd Class (Junior) Year with 30 classmates - only 10 of us graduated with our class.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 08:51 AM
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11. K&R
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