Breaking ~~ Verdict in Roeder Case ~~GUILTY ALL CHARGES!

Source: Tru TV

The jury notified the judge and the verdict will be announced shortly.

No link yet.

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Watching Tru TV to report the verdict.

Up-date ~~ they got him on all charges!

Up-date ~~ link: http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Roeder-found-guilty/xWv9h931nUSebBWLU8fN0g.cspx/'

...there is the OJ verdict.

I am betting it is guilty of Murder One.

It HAS to be a conviction.

People encourage me to do bad, stupid, wrong, evil things all the time. I choose not to. If I do screw up, that's my fault.

Apparently the doctor-killer's "...religious conversion while watching an episode of The 700 Club..." led him to become Born Again and he took Robertson's message of Christian hate and intolerance to heart.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JsAzii9CwIU/SihuioH1xyI/AAAAAAAAAQQ/0_y41HFug2g/s400/Christian+Soldier.jpg
Death to the Infidels (or is it Death to the Unbelievers: Just can't keep it straight)

pretense of longer deliberation.

...Roeder presented his case as such, but in the end, the judge ruled they could not consider that as a possible verdict.

1. No immediate danger; and
2. Abortions are legal in Kansas.

Sweet reasoning and IMO not subject to challenge on any appeal.

manslaughter defense the judge said he might allow. The judge early said Roeder could not argue "I had to do this to prevent a greater crime" but left open the possibility that Roeder might argue "I did this under a mistaken honest belief that I was protecting someone from immediate harm." In this context, "immediate" means something like "here and now." Roeder, however, argued something like "I thought I had to do this to prevent more abortions," which certainly was not an "immediate" issue. So the judge decided Roeder had not really argued voluntary manslaughter and disallowed the defense

On the witness stand leaves them little choice really I do believe(hope) the judge would throw out anything but guilty as charged.

judges can't "throw out" a not guilty verdict.

if they COULD, the jury system would be meaningless.

But I thought they had that power??? My bad

Judge issues instruction for decorum in courtroom.

...I hope to hell no one tries anything against the Tiller family.

...if it's "reasonable" to bomb and abortion clinic to save lives, then it would be "reasonable" for the forced birthers to kill a judge and jury which did not go their way.

The above is "Scott Roeder" think...:puke:

...I would not put it past those idiots to try something. :scared:

...tell me...I had a client on the other side of a case come to court looking to kill me ~~ no in ONE case, but TWO!

...the wife in one of had killed her husband before she came looking for me.

:scared:

Glad I retired!

Thank God the judge was bright enough to figure this out.

Forty minutes in a case where there is an actual confession is going to be guilty.

...there simply is no defense in this case ~~ thank gawd.

...that was the ONLY concern I had ~~ that some forced birther would have lied and gotten on the jury and they would hang.

:hi:

Randall Terry and Mulefucker Horsley might think otherwise, but most pro-lifers would think twice about acquitting someone who admitted to shooting someone in the face.

...a goodly amount of sentiment that Roeder did the wrong thing and had hurt the "pro life" (their words, not mine) movement. There, of course, were the nut cases ~~ but they were fewer than I thought would be found.

... but stone-cold murderers. Most human beings, regardless of religion or ideology, will rightly recoil when that rock is lifted.

If only they would turn on Limbaugh and O'Reilly one of these days.

Hekate

Thank God is right ..... I was fearful that persons being screened for jurors could not be truthful with an intent to throw a wrench in the deliberation at the end. Particularly in this part of the country which is often referred to as "The Bible Belt".

... would have had any potential jury member thoroughly investigated before accepting them.

Hard to get stealth jurists past a decent. investigator

Gitmo?

...talk about ambivalence!

I'm sure this guy thinks he's going to be rewarded in heaven for what he did. Why let him get his wish immediately?

He can be sentenced to life in prison though.

...it's what feeds the so-called Conservatives in Amerikkka today: the blood-lust, the thirst for violent retribution; that "eye-for-an-eye" mentality; all that fairy-tale, Old Testament Biblical bullshit.

Progressives believe in the judicial process. To that end, I say let the appeal process run its course. Afterwards, let the fucker rot in a dank and dark, rat-infested cell, his food swarmed with cockroaches, alone with his thoughts and his insanity, until the day his "God" stops his heart from ticking and his lungs from taking.

Twenty-three hours a day of solitary will pretty much kill anyone.

this is a state case. He will spend the rest of his life in ElDorado Correctional Facility with good neighbors like BTK and the Carr brothers...hope he likes country living.

edit..ElDorado is less than an hour from Wichita so no long last ride, he'll have around 30 minutes to soak up our free civilization for the last time.

Was the name deliberately ironic?

and a truly desolate landscape beyond the wire. It is 3 miles east of ElDorado KS, thus the name...I've been there several times, it will suit him just fine.

Bu-bye, asshole!

:shrug:

Murder One as to Dr. Tiller; and Ag Assault as to two person attending church at whom he pointed and gun and threatened to use the gun against each one.

On Murder One ~~ he will get life w/o.

None of these applied to the murder of Dr. Tiller.

...I heard Vinnie Politan, Tru TV reporter, referring to the special circumstances on a DP sentence under Kansas law and he said they were very strict. From what you posted, I would agree with his analysis.

Contract Murder -- Did the Anti-Abortion Groups pay him? Directly or Indirectly?

Part of a Common Scheme -- Is Roeder part of an organization that planned to murder more healthcare providers?

have supported him in a variety of ways, including financially. Supposedly there is plenty of evidence that has gone to or will go to the DOJ. Let's follow the money.

I'm typically not a fan of the death penalty, but I'll make an exception for this prick. And if following the money trail puts more of these asshats in a federal prison, I'm fine with that, too.

This trial dealt with the murder of only one person.

The first one might work if it can be shown to be murder-for-hire.

...no outbursts.

Judge is vacating courtroom to allow jury to leave courthouse.

...is what Freeps will be saying.

I'm in favor of the death penalty for really heinous crimes. Shooting a doctor in cold blood qualifies, as far as I'm concerned. Let him think he'll die a martyr to his cause, like Paul Hill.

...going to up-date my OP. :hi:

Although I'm sure it's never an easy thing to do to find someone guilty of a heinous crime, I am relieved to see that this jury arrived at the verdict that the evidence left no doubt about.

Years ago, I was foreman on a child sex abuse case. Two week trial. By the end, we had ZERO doubt of the guy's guilt. We basically walked in the jury room, I took one poll, no one had any questions, concerns, etc. Guilty. His lawyer did poll us one by one in the courtroom, but there were no appeals. (I think his LAWYER was relieved he was convicted, just my opinion.) You feel really empowered in that jury room; victims' lives are in your hands, and their only hope for any justice at all lies with your integrity. We all took that seriously. Sometimes, there's no doubt of guilt. So, no, it's not difficult.

In this case, the guy gets on the stand under oath and says he did it, he plotted and planned it, he had alternative ways to do it. I realize he had moral objections to abortion, but what if we call decided to just go kill people who did things we objected to? I'm a vegan, and am against killing other creatures for humans' benefit. Does this mean I can go shoot slaughterhouse workers? Of course not! I may be horrified and deeply saddened by what they do, but it IS legal in this country.

A life totally wasted, etc. I would think of the criminal's family, and how they might suffer because of his actions, etc.

If the evidence was indisputable and I felt the person was guilty, I could definitely convict. But it would never be easy for me.

with dreams of being martyrs.

....if that POS Roeder got off on vol m/s...wow...like a license to kill for the forced birthers!

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He's a terrorist, if ever I've seen one. A white, christian, American terrorist.

...and I hope he rots in hell ~~ assuming there is such a place.

Terrorists can be tried in criminal court and the community remain unharmed. Just need a few good bomb sniffing dogs as a precautionary measure.

If he'd been brown and named "Kahlid" then you'd have a different story.

:sarcasm:

http://www.startribune.com/nation/83020037.html?elr=KArksUUUU

:( this is gonna get ugly. All the wingers are going to have their knickers in a twist.

For one thing he doesn't have the money for the legal fees.

... they'll put their money behind anything they can do to get in front of SCOTUS and chip away at Roe ...

I'd be more inclined to think that they want to stay way away from him.

SCOTUS won't even examine the case.

And this case has nothing to do with Roe. Yes, the victim was an OB/GYN who performed abortions, but the connection ends there. This is a simple criminal case that that got intense coverage because the victim was one of the few remaining doctors in the U.S. that performed third-trimester abortions, and he was murdered by Roeder for ideological reasons.

Which of the nine justices would side with him simply because they agree with him on the abortion issue? There's absolutely no basis for thinking that SCOTUS would overturn with his conviction. In fact, there's a 99.9% chance that they never even grant cert on the case, for a few reasons:

1) He's serving life in prison. SCOTUS reviews death penalty cases to make sure that everything is kosher, but they don't typically examine life sentences.

2) His guilt is unquestionable. He confessed to the murder.

3) There is no compelling constitutional issue here for SCOTUS to examine. He's not a juvenile, it's not a crual and unusual sentence, and there were no problems that we know of in jury selection.

No way does Roeder even win a date before the SCOTUS. I'd bet my life savings on this if I could at 1 to 1.

Scalia. Scalia simply does not give a shit about the law.

Scalia likes to keep up the illusion he's a legal scholar right up until he renders a "I don't give a shit about the law, this is my ideology" decision. Sammy Alito is just a small-time small-minded partisan hack who seems over his head on the court most days.

The difference there is subtle:

Scalia understands the law and does not care because he's a partisan hack.

Alito doesn't actually understand the law, doesn't care that he doesn't understand and makes poor decisions because he is a partisan hack. Note that even the hardcore RW ideologues of SCOTUS (Scalia, Thomas, less-so slightly for Roberts) won't actually let him write any major decisions because they're afraid he's going to say something moronic or gloat or say something that opens up a path to raising a question that overturns the decision in the future.

Easy to type, but you're wrong. You'll see.

He admitted he did it.

*

:toast:

:applause:

The guy confessed to doing it yesterday. Open and shut to me.

...but are you a fundie lunatic?

That was my fear ~~ that some asshole like that would get on the jury and hang it and eventually the DA would allow him to plea out to a lesser included.

:hi:

in a country where some people actually support Sara Palin and believe Fox News. There are ignorant people everywhere.

I can't believe it.

If there is a Hell I hope there's a special one for people who would kill the healers of the world.

According to my belief system, there is a special corner of Hell where those few who are truly irredemable spend their eternity experiancing the lives of every person their actions have ever affected.

Clearly I'm still cleaning up some shit from past lives, and I've probably got plenty to atone for from this one. Interesting though Prophet. I always thought Luciferians were almost atheistic/mostlyt humanistic in their beliefs. I didn't know you subscribed to the theory of Hell as an actual spiritual realm. Pm me if you want to elaborate. You know I find our conversations fascinating my friend.
-S

Not that I go looking for such, but there's got to be some gun goofies proclaiming how Roeder's pistol has served mankind in that it saved myriad lives of kids to come.

is at the Wichita Eagle:

link

Roeder belongs at Florence ADX next to Eric Rudolph.

according to his ex-wife.

Another hypocrite for the GOP to call a martyr

this is a state case...he will live with BTK and the Carr brothers at ElDorado correctional facility..it's quite adequate for him...even if this were a Federal case he wouldn't have been sent to Florence ADX, he would have been sent to a Fed. maximum security facility..maybe in Florence, just not the ADX.

Idiot will appeal though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqTiA_LyV3k

He's guilty judge he's guilty

It's time to put this boy away...

Hopefully won't be long until Scotty gets shanked in the shower.

They have a way of leaving prisoners alone with other, more dangerous prisoners, if they think the first prisoner should have gotten a death sentence. Evidence: Jeffery Dahmer.

DA of Sedgwick County (Wichita) says "the verdict was just and fair."

"Roeder was not a difficult witness as long as you knew the parameters...it was a good day."

"This was not about a woman's right to choose. It was really about Scott Roeder's choices."

"We know there are fires that have been fanned ... that advocate the use of violence."

The Tru TV reporter then says that Roeder "targeted a human being for ten years, at least."

The DA, about Roeder: Roeder "had delusions that he would be the individual that would take down this person."

"America has to speak up and say 'we've had enough of this.'" (talking about this type of violence)

"Dr. Tiller was a passive individual who was murdered at his church."


edited to correct spelling

...for himself to murder.

:hi:

About Roeder's demeaner during his testimony: "Scott Roeder did not have emotion ....... he was very matter of fact, he was calculated, he had no regrets."

"It was very patently apparent that this was a man who, given the opportunity, would probably do it again."

a jury of his peers?

twisted mind, that he was saving a life by committing murder, wouldn't it have made more sense to do it while prepping for the procedure? Or on the way to work? Or even on the way home? But in church?

If not for that fact, I wouldn't have been surprised if at least one juror, being that it was Kansas, would have held out for acquittal. But at church? It just had to have had an effect, even on any unreasonable fundamentalist.

as the prosecution put it. Very powerful stuff.

political communities. who should feel very ashamed of what they have wrought. And very responsible. I'm sure some do regret their past transgressions. But the most shameless will feel no sadness for what happened (except for Roeder's plight), nor any guilt, and will continue to spew ignorant bullshit. If they are God-fearing folks, I would guess that they have reason to be fearful.

Suck it DOWN , Fetus Worshippers...

:patriot:


RIP Dr. Tiller.

That made me cringe. Did you really need to go there?

rights of all others are less valid than those of a fetus?

:eyes:

Love that term. Captures the mindset perfectly. "forced birthers" is also good.

but the anti-choicers do not want to comprehend is that a third trimester abortion is performed if the mother's life is in danger or if the fetus is dead or already has some form of severe medical condition. They act like women just decide in their third trimester to have a abortion. I'll never forget one case where a woman had been in an automobile accident and the doctor told the family she'd have a better chance of surviving if she aborted (I think she was in her second trimester). The family agreed, because after all, they wanted their daughter to have any chance of survival. Some anti-choice lawyer, who didn't even know the family jumped in and held up the procedure, causing the woman to die (of course the fetus died also).

I'm glad for the ruling, but deeply saddened for the Tiller family.

Report from yesterday on Roder's testimony:

"...with Roeder testifying today about his antiabortion beliefs, his religious awakening while watching The 700 Club on TV and his frustration with the legal system — as if any of this could way justify killing."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123101322

so...now we pay for his sorry ass for the rest of his life...watch him live to be 100.

-- not at all.

Stunning!!

Can we install a web-cam in his cell? Can I donate a jar of cockroaches?

unborn...the sweet, non-demanding fetuses who don't require money or cry.

The dude said on the stand that he planned it and had no remorse.

Defense attorney is asked: How difficult was it to give that closing argument?"

Attorney mentions that the case was "pretty helpless and hopeless. ... I just tried to point out that this was what it was ...."

About the next step: "Certainly the lack of instruction on the manslaughter defense is going to be paramount." (I'm not sure I got that quote exactly.)

About the manslaughter defense: "It was our only hope. Everything we had from day one ... we were leaning towards the manslaughter."

"We never argued a necessity defense."

(Talking about the probable verdict)

Defense attorney's answer: "He did."

GUILTY!

One basis for appeal "failure of court to give us instruction." So says the defense.

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this thinking if we want to. And it is in our party's and nation's interest. Read what Carl Sagan had to say about abortion. There is no doubt in my mind that we, as a nation, can come to an agreement. I am totally pro-choice, but if we can get the anti-choice people to sit down and discuss the issues in a serious manner, we can do this. Both sides will have to compromise, but I believe it's possible. Unfortunately, it is a big fund raiser for Reps.

I get the breaking news from the Wichita Eagle online and it says jury finds him Guilty of First degree murder. Yesterday he testified on his own behalf, and was unrepentant. I think after that the judge says he CAN NOT be convicted of first degree manslaughter, so manslaughter was out I think after he testified on his own behalf. It issnowing here right now I think we must have about 6 or 7 inches by now.

the conservative Supreme Court has set up Roe v Wade to be defeated when it demolished long-standing precedent and ruled that corporations may now contribute like drunken sailers to or against campaigns. Not to change the subject, but this chilling SCOTUS decision never leaves my mind, and if a Republican president is elected in 2012 it's my belief we can kiss another "law of the land" goodbye. Many of us will say, naw, Roe v Wade will never be overturned 'cuz it's such a good fundraiser, but I am beginning to disagree.

And I'm not even totally pro-choice in that I believe, for myself, that it is wrong, and if anyone I cared about wanted to have an abortion I would hope to talk them out of it. However, I will defend forever and to infinity (redundancy included for emphasis!) the right of any woman to make that choice for herself and for her family, based on their own beliefs, circumstances, and religious convictions. I wonder how many people feel the same way.

Sorry, I'm long-winded sometimes.

Thank God

We have the death penalty. BTK couldn't be convicted with it because the murders he did was when we had no death penalty so he couln't be sentenced with it. I think they reinstated it in the 90's sometime.

Despicable.

This crime does not fall within the relatively few covered by the Kansas death penalty statute.

See post 43 upthread.

I don't think he gives a shit. He's a right wings answer to Leon Czsolgoz (sp)

Rot in jail you prick!

:headbang:

Put that miserable murdering creep away forever.

and a ^5 to them!

sabbath. If that isn't terrorism, I don't know what is. This is home-grown terrorism and should be treated as such. They hate us for our religious choices.

Just wondered.
I thought most death penalty cases do, but since this is life, would that appeal process also apply?

You know... as an aside. Sometimes these excessively righteous religious people just do not "get" that we have a system of laws in this country. And that the laws actually protect and defend all people, not just people "like them." They always look so surprised. And their whole outlook is so ludicrous -- they do not "get" the sickening irony of killing someone to "prevent" that person from killing -- I mean, to kill someone AND be against killing? They just looked stunned, like they were living in the 1800's and just woke up to 2010.

Am I the only one who notices that kind of stuff?

It doesn't meet the criteria for the state of Kansas. He'll get life.

great job.

Good thoughts go out to the memory of a man who worked to make the lives of women safer in this crazy world. My contribution to Planned Parenthood goes out in your memory. Peace, Kim

...same exact thing I did ~~ contributed today to Planned Parenthood in the names of Dr. Tiller and his Family.

:hug:

He must have always understood the danger he put himself in by angering domestic terrorists.

Roeder's mother didn't have an abortion when she was pregnant with him.

The one thing that seems clear is that part of ones reward is watching sinners suffer in hell. Apparently, that is meant to be enjoyable.

exactly, do you get that? Because I just don't and that isn't a part of any doctrine of any church I've attended, whether liberal, conservative or in-between. It may be some crazy fundie theory, but it isn't a mainstream one. And I don't know of any Christian, myself included, who would consider that to be, in any way, "enjoyable."

...I was writing from memory and have to go back and find it. That will take a little while.

"The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were able to
look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren in eternal fire."

Doesn't take a long deliberation to decide he was telling the truth.

:bounce: :woohoo:

Do I really need to :kick: this?

Glad they found him guilty. What was it- 40 minutes?

No death penalty= no martyrdom. Is the 50 year sentence w/o possiblity of parole?

:woohoo:

It was a crime that should never have been committed, he confessed to it, he showed no remorse and he wanted to be a martyr. He is a murderer, and he has seen the system work; he is no martyr, he is an idiot. In this case, from what I've read in this thread, the DP was not applicable, which is good AFAIC, I am adamantly opposed to the DP...let him spend the rest of his days out of society, stuck in a cell. It seems fitting.

During closing arguments earlier Friday, Rudy urged the jury to reject the murder charge, saying, "No one should be convicted based on his convictions."

If this were the case, then we could never convict terrorists who hijack planes or blow up buildings, either, since they are also acting on their convictions.

But wow. Imagine how much fun society would be if that defense worked.

I hope the fucker rots in jail for the rest of his life.

This ass can join the BTK Killer and the Carr Bros.

THANK YOU!!!!!

I know that Roeder didn't meet the criteria for seeking the death penalty, but perhaps that law should be amended to include ANYONE who repeatedly confesses to a crime. In cases like this one, there is no doubt that the defendant is guilty, and death should be swift and just.

The bigger tragedy here, besides Tiller's death, is the fact that it is one less ob/gyn willing to provide abortions in the United States. And who can blame doctors? I'm finishing law school and soon starting training to be a doctor- and I would NEVER consider doing abortions. And this decision isn't because I have any moral qualms about abortion-quite the contrary-I support Roe v. Wade and all accompanying cases. I am just not willing to risk my life and the lives of my future family members to perform these services. I know many present and retired ob/gyns who feel the same way. Why should they risk their asses when this country isn't willing to put some teeth behind enforcement of the right to choose. Most days when I drive by my local clinic, I see at least a couple of protesters outside. Now I'm not saying that these protesters endorse what Roeder did, but they undoubtedly weep more for the fetuses than for Tiller, which is unconscionable. We need stricter laws banning all protesting outside of clinics. We need to start seeing more arrests and investigations of so-called "pro-life" (but really, call them what they are, anti-choice) websites and the Secret Service should be involved in investigating right-wing sites that celebrate the murder of PHYSICIANS performing a LEGAL procedure.

Hopefully, this is standard procedure.

citation; That is, as far as prion is concerned. This diminutive, pasty, chubby might find a home with the skinheads and the white supremacists, all of whom are Nazi's , but there will be a price to pay, fun, fun, fun on the autobahn. But his first concern might be finding a sheet wearing, swastika tattooed hulk for protection and that, in prison, can be a penetrating nightmare. Hope this creep gets nailed every time he opens his ignorant, lunatic mouth and I Hope he thinks of the Good Dr., who's life he so cavalierly took and the lives he ruined, every time. Let that be his penance; And that is worse than the death penalty. The last guy like him who came out of prison, who was frank about his life in prison complained that, and this is pretty gross, he was used as a human toilet, and if that is not enough to keep Roeder wannabe's on the straight and narrow, they are dumber than rocks; Roader will be amongst his betters. So let us not lament that he will not get the death penalty, he will get worse. The death penalty would have made him a martyr.

Boy, ain't that the sad truth!

Life w/o parole and a lifetime in solitary confinement is what he should get.

Enjoy prison you fucker.

Seriously, good.

Just awesome. I cannot say how happy I am about this news!

Here comes life without parole.

I heard an verdict had been decided but not announced I KNEW it would be guilty because the verdict came back so quickly. As a matter of fact I think it only took as long as it did because some of the jurors probably had to take a potty break and then complete the paper work.

When the verdict was announced I was not surprised. While he says we was concerned for babies he didn't seem concerned for Tiller, a human being, father, and husband. He was not concerned for his wife who has lost her beloved husband. He was not concerned for the CHILDREN who called him Dad. Yeah he cared about the children alright.

Sadly this verdict does not bring him back. While justice may have been done, does the solace that the correct verdict has been rendered comfort the hearts who are grieving over their loved one, their family member, their friend?

Even more frightening, does this stop the next assassin?

what's going to happen to bill o'reilly now?

wasn't he one of the *people* who 'set up' Dr Tiller?

:nuke:

Now put the fuckwad AWAY FOR GOOD!!!

"I'm against killing - only "GOD" can take a life - that's why I killed that INNOCENT man..."

Perfect example of repuke "logic"...and mind set...