Small plane crashes into Austin office building

Source: Star Telegram

Star-Telegram

AUSTIN -- A small single-engine airplane has crashed into an office complex in North Austin, reports say.

The seven-story office building, described as the Echelon building, is in the 9400 block of Research Boulevard, according to Austin fire officials. The site is near U.S. 183 and MoPac.

The FBI said there is nothing at this point that indicates that the crash is anything more than an accident at this time.

Initial reports were that the Austin field office of the San Antonio FBI were in the building, but it was later learned that the FBI offices are in a nearby building.

The nearest airport is Austin Bergstrom International Airport, which is some 15 miles away, in southeast Austin, and the crash site is reportedly on the flight path for that airport.

The Austin American-Statesman is offering live streaming video of the plane crash via traffic camera: here.

Austin-Travis County EMS Assistant Director James Shamard told the Statesman that smoke is visible for at least a mile.

The Statesman reported that two people were unaccounted for.


Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1978260.html

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Unless the pilot was unconscious. There will be a lot more to this story...a typical small plane weighs less than a ton and carries 25 to 40 gallons of fuel...it seems like I'm seeing more damage than that could cause.
:shrug:

as bad as the pictures here. I think it looks worse from the smoke

damage than a Cherokee could do without some pyrotechnic aid. Athough maybe that dirt in front of the building is some part of construction going on, I don't like to speculate but I'm pretty familiar with small planes, as well as large ones; been a commercial pilot for 40 years.

Looks like too much damage.

I'm thinking of the small plane that kid crashed in to an office building right after 9/11.

Interesting group of offices including the IRS.

(source:live video stream)

All though when I saw it was right next to a freeway I second guessed that it may have been a stricken plane trying to land.

several empty areas that any pilot would choose over hitting a mainly immovable object...and wouldn't be running the engine at high power...
OHOHOH...someone just reported the pilot set his own house on fire before departing....wow yikes

If he wanted to kill himself, fine - I believe that everyone should have that option - but he was out to commit murder. It is not clear yet if he succeeded, but he did certainly cause grievous injury to some.

Epitaph for Joseph Andrew Stack: Asshole

They're usually clueless when it comes to aircraft.

Ya gots to wonder...Donning tin foil hat

Q - What is Project ECHELON?

ECHELON is a code word for an automated global interception and relay system operated by the intelligence agencies in five nations - the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (it is rumored that different nations have different code words for the project).

While the United States National Security Agency (NSA) takes the lead, ECHELON works in conjunction with other intelligence agencies, including the Australian Defence Signals Directorate (DSD). It is believed that ECHELON also works with Britain's Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the agencies of other allies of the United States, pursuant to various treaties.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/29/038.html :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

real & you have to wonder how this links in.

But my first thought on hearing 'small plane crash' was "who did we lose now?"

We gotta do the gallows humor sometimes, AA, don't we?

Or maybe next to those offices.


Makes me wonder what's going on why were's all looking at the column of smoke...

eom

Torched his house AND the IRS?

I'm beginning to think this is NOT an al qaida plot.

If it is the same guy who torched the house, his survivors may have more info.

(I'm just outside Austin) and they were interviewing a man who witnessed the crash. He also happened to be a flight instructor and said this plane was going full throttle. Not flying the way a plane does during an emergency such as running out of fuel. I hope it was a horrible accident, but it does sound suspicious.

but this sounds like something right out of the "Turner Diaries"

is this something that's mentioned in the book? the fact that it's austin seems really f'd up.

it's that disturbing. Near the end of the book, the "hero" turner uses a small plane loaded with a bomb to take out Washington DC. It's poorly written, on a 7th grade level. One of the chapters is called the "day of the rope" and it's where after taking over California, minorities and minority sympathizers are ruthlessly hung. It's the most vile, racist, and anti Semitic BS i have ever read in my life. I had nightmares after reading that shit.

on these groups, but i tried to read that POS and the writing was SO BAD i just couldn't make it thru.

holy shit -- a bomb threat on a Denver to CA flight, reported just now.

You are better off to look and see if there is a wikipedia entry for it. Like i said it's very haunting and it will stay with you for quite a while.

I bet rimjob and his flying monkeys are standing by with a broom and scrub-brush.

Hate to say it, but that's one of the first things that popped into my head!

and a commie plot, lol.

than just the 40-50 gals of fuel on the plane. also saying the way it flew in suggests it was intentional.


jeebus.

could cause this kind of damage.

If they know his house, they know his name? And if he could load explosives on a plane, was it HIS plane?

http://weareaustin.com/content/news/story/?cid=51332

<snip>

A three-story office building in the Echelon office complex was hit. People are being evacuated from the building. The building is located next to the Grace Covenent Church

The building houses some of Austin's Internal Revenue Service buildings.

Several witnesses report still seeing explosions after the plane hit. The plane did not leave a smoke trail before hitting the side of the building, according to one witness.

A witness is saying the fire is spreading from the explosions on the plane.

casualties.

And didn't mind if he burned down his neighborhood.

Deliberately flying a plane into a building is NOT criminal? AND HOW THE FUCK DO YOU DEFINE "TERRORIST," YOU BLITHERING MORONS?

I guess they know the guy is white and native born.

no one could possibly have foreseen anyone flying a plane into a building. It's just too far-fetched to ne remotely conceivable.

grr

I wish suicidal assholes would just do themselves and leave a note.

There are several cases of Americans snapping and flying planes into buildings.

i defer to your trend-calling.

and the guy who crashed the plane into the Clinton WH.

I think there's at least one other case that escapes memory.

A guy flew a plane into his former house.

I presume that this is why they don't put a street address in the booklets. :-(

any passports on the sidewalk?

:thumbsup:

(spanks self while spewing coffee over keyboard!)

!!

:spank:

nt

What a douchebag.

according to MSNBC. I'm watching on a really bad live feed that keeps cutting out so |I may have misunderstood.

KXAN

Name STACK JOSEPH A
Street 661 6TH ST APT 111

City LINCOLN State CALIFORNIA
County PLACER Zip Code 95648-1824
Country UNITED STATES

Bastard is probably reveling in this.

Just announced pilot lit his house on fire, Then stole this plane and intentionally rammed this building.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=2889D

so, maybe the person who crashed it isn't Stack??

i'm cornfoosed.

All I know is a report that he stole a plane. Not how he did it or any other details.

Please share if you have more info.

There's no reason to alert anyone, if nobody notices the plane being stolen.

http://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez
* Name Jesse Rodriguez
* Location ÜT: 40.758427,-73.97939
* Bio I am a producer at MSNBC. Working on The Dylan Ratigan Show.


KXAN: Joseph Andrew Stack set fire to his home with wife and daughter inside. Likely suspect who crashed plane.

The address appears to be a large office complex housing a number of small real estate firms, computer firms, head hunters, etc. This might be a spectacular case of a disgruntled employee.

There was a guy by the name of Steven Sueppel who had been fired from a local bank and facing criminal charges for stealing over half a million dollars. He killed his wife and children, then killed himself by crashing his minivan into a concrete pillar at high speed on Interstate 80.

Was that what was going on here perhaps?

This in the LA Times story...




http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-plane-crash-austin19-2010feb19,0,5342929.story


Just because there are federal offices in the building?

it looks awful, can't believe anyone would do this on purpose. I live less than a quarter mile from there as well :(

One less teabagger to deal with.

In which case he's almost certainly a right wing nutjob. Lincoln is way the fuck out in whiteflightsville, and Placer County voters lean so far right it's a wonder they don't fall over.

the one flown is stolen.

another tidbit...it's registered to his software company. so, he owns a software company.

copied from http://embeddedart.com

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If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

· "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.



Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.



The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.



Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010

Was I wrong.

Life sucks, I agree. Maybe one day I'll even kill myself. But I won't try to take anyone with me.

Fuck you, Joe.

a lot of political boundaries! Stack is certainly not a professional writer, but he made his point.

Does anyone know what that Sec 1706(d) exemption is about? I didn't really get that.

Tragic figure, perhaps we'll learn if he ever sought psychiatric help.

had the misfortune of coming out at the wrong time...

A great study of this kind of unfocused rage.

If it was, then I would say most people would just blow this off as a person with "problems". The question I have now is, how many people will read this and want to follow his lead.

Well maybe some of the crazy folk might not be so crazy.

reading this guys blog entry right now:

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2010/02/18/internet_note_posted_by_man_li.html?cxntcid=breaking_news

:rofl:

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As I stated in another thread, unlikely to be a right-wing thing. More likely to be a crazy-wing thing. I'm sure someone will dig up his voter registration though. Maybe it's the communist party?

that you try & stick a political label on a disturbed guy, we all know nothing about.

I was arguing the exact opposite.

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But, he killed himself because he was being hassled by the IRS....well, that and he was crazy. But, I figure the Teabaggers might latch on to someone that the IRS drove nuts.... Eh, what does it matter what any of us think anyway?

It's not all San Francisco out here, you know.

And it turns out he is affiliated with the Teabagger/ Beckinites, maybe this will finally be the thing the country needs to see just how far these whackjobs are willing to go to make their point.

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The crazy Alabama professor was a rabid Obama supporter, but it has ZERO reflection on Obama and anyone saying it does is just reaching. Two nuts that deserve the same fate.

will another across the street come down?

I wonder why not.

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Officials said two bodies have been recovered from the Northwest Austin building that was hit by a small plane this morning.

FBI spokesman Eric Vasys said tonight that one body had been recovered from the building earlier in the day, and that it is believed to be that of suspected pilot Andrew Joseph Stack. Vasys said the body was sent to forensic evidence specialists for confirmation.

Vasys said another body was found later in the day.

Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo confirmed that a body was recovered this afternoon, but he could not confirm whether it was the pilot or a missing federal employee.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2010/02/18/officials_bodies_recovered_at.html

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

This guy knew how shit works, but it's just a shame he decided to pull a 9/11 copycat. This guy wasn't any kind of martyr though, just plain crazy.

....I found much of his analysis of capitalist/corporate America to be correct but his solution was wrong....he wasn't crazy, although he did seem to have problems....but can anyone really know what's in another persons mind?

....although his solution to his/our problems was wrong, would anyone like tell to us what are the correct solutions to our intransigent corporate/governmental problems?

Its strange to see how a tragedy like this occurs and instead of sympathy, We start booing or defending our team. Some of you like HUlk Hogan and Some liked Andre the giant. Some like redskins some like Dallas cowboys. Wake up sheeple, quit being guided by which ever team has the hook in your nose. Think for yourself. Read a little history instead of watching survivor. I voted for bush once nothing changed , and realized what he was about then I thought obama would bring us back. That was the last time I will be fooled. Bush made the republicans think he was conservative after tripling the size of government , then obama was going to stop the war in bring peace. I honestly believe since king george the first we have seen the major policies remain the same while the keep us the little sheeple fighting over small insignificant matters that never change. I am no longer a democrat or republican due to the fact that when the repubs. had the house and senate and the executive nothing (the little things) changed, then the dems got control same story different team (nothing changed) find me a president who will stop the wars which both dems. and repubs. want and ill show you someone who will never win.In closing stop rooting for a team who makes useful idiots of us all and are never responsive to our will. And never forget we are the government, no matter how many men in black ski mask in riot shields they use to intimidate us remember this is our country all colors and creeds it is ours. Sorry for the rant.

Who would have thunk it!

A Piper to this puny building is huge. A 767 to a 110 story building is still a small blip. Scale size from both planes to both buildings, this plane was larger in proportion to its building.

Irrespective of whether or not he was an actual "Tea-Bagger" his take on government, taxes, and the IRS certainly matches their rhetoric.

This is what they want our country to look like:



Just as the Tea-Baggers who showed up with guns and T-Shirts proclaiming "watering the tree of liberty" want Obama - or any who oppose them - dead.

These people are dangerous and quite serious about backing their rhetoric with action.

The reactions on my local newspaper's comment section doesn't make me feel any better about this. Feel free to take part in the poll.

http://www.timesreporter.com/homepage/x692835162/Daily-poll-for-2-19