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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 02:52 AM
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'God gap' impedes U.S. foreign policy, task force says
Source: David Waters, The Washington Post

American foreign policy is handicapped by a narrow, ill-informed and "uncompromising Western secularism" that feeds religious extremism, threatens traditional cultures and fails to encourage religious groups that promote peace and human rights, according to a two-year study by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.

The council's 32-member task force, which included former government officials and scholars representing all major faiths, delivered its report to the White House on Tuesday. The report warns of a serious "capabilities gap" and recommends that President Obama make religion "an integral part of our foreign policy."

Thomas Wright, the council's executive director of studies, said task force members met Tuesday with Joshua DuBois, head of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, and State Department officials. "They were very receptive, and they said that there is a lot of overlap between the task force's report and the work they have been doing on this same issue," Wright said.

DuBois declined to comment on the report but wrote on his White House blog Tuesday: "The Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnership and the National Security Staff are working with agencies across government to analyze the ways the U.S. government engages key non-governmental actors, including religious institutions, around the globe."

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/23/AR2010022305103_pf.html



I don't get it. The same people pushing for the US to be a Christian nation usually also support interventionist foreign policy. And now some think tank accuses US foreign policy of being too secularly biased.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 02:55 AM
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1. Yea, all that peace and understanding from the Christian Warrior cult
that seems to dominate a whole bunch of cults and sects these days...
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 02:59 AM
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2. Noooooooooo!
Horrible idea. Too much of that now!
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:02 AM
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3. That's a double-plus good
dose of Newspeak, Newthink, garbage.

Need I say that, even? I imagine that most, (regardless of their leanings) can see just how blatant that kind of pretzel agitprop is. It does not fit the picture, but with enough effort and repetition, it certainly could be made to. Are we on to something, now?

"Reality is what you can get away with." - Robert Anton Wilson
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:46 AM
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4. BULLSHIT! n/t
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:46 AM
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5. Wow! What a suprise

The council's 32-member task force, which included former government officials and scholars representing all major faiths


Who would have thought they would find that we needed more religion?

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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 04:11 AM
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6. What a surprise!
You put a bunch of people representing religious organizations on a panel, and they conclude that religious organizations ought to have more influence.

You could knock me over with a feather!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 05:17 AM
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7. Are They Nuts?
Well, if they are "religious" I guess it goes without saying...
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:43 AM
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8. uh, huh... so secularism causes religious extremism ?
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 06:43 AM by ixion
I think not. I can't believe people get paid to write garbage like that.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 06:55 AM
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9. Communitarian BS... I had hoped this would end after Bush was gone
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:11 AM
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10. Just what we need; another Crusade nt
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:25 AM
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11. Wow, I thought it was going to be a story about how the U.S. obsession with religion
damages our credibility in the international community.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:20 AM
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18. Me too. I was seriously disappointed.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 01:55 PM
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20. That would have made sense
A lack of religion hardly causes religious extremism. Religious extremism feeds on itself.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:44 AM
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27. Rule of Thumb: WAPO articles will support the RW agenda..
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:25 PM
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35. Normally, I agree
However, for that to be the case, they would have to be flat out lying or clearly distorting the findings of the study. If that is the case, I expect we should hear about it soon.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:39 AM
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12. The Chicago Council on Global Affairs sounds like a legitimate think tank.
From wikipedia:

The Chicago Council on Global Affairs, founded in 1922 as The Chicago Council on Foreign Relations, is a leading independent, nonpartisan organization committed to influencing the discourse on global issues through contributions to opinion and policy formation, leadership dialogue, and public learning.

The Chicago Council brings the world to Chicago by hosting public programs and private events featuring world leaders and experts with diverse views on a wide range of global topics. Through task forces, conferences, studies, and leadership dialogue, the Council brings Chicago’s ideas and opinions to the world.


It also sounds like the report makes some legitimate recommendations (the report is actually online, but I couldn't access it - I kept getting errors on the page - not sure if its my problem or a problem with the report). From the article cited in the OP:

To end the "episodic and uncoordinated nature of U.S. engagement of religion in the world," the task force recommended:

-- Adding religion to the training and continuing education of all foreign service officers, diplomats and other key diplomatic, military and economic officials. That includes using the skills and expertise of military veterans and civilians returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

-- Empowering government departments and agencies to engage local and regional religious communities where they are central players in the promotion of human rights and peace, as well as the delivery of health care and other forms of assistance.

-- Address and clarify the role of religious freedom in U.S. foreign policy. Cizik said some parts of the world -- the Middle East, China, Russia and India, for example -- are particularly sensitive to the U.S. government's emphasis on religious freedom and see it as a form of imperialism.



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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:25 AM
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24. Did you see the wiki heading warning that the article reads like an ad and needs re-writing?
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:14 AM
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29. Actually I didn't. But here's a list of some issues that they were concerned about ...
that appeared in the Chicago Tribune. They don't seem to be particularly concerned about religious issues. And their recommendations in this report look legitimate to me. When you are dealing with other cultures, you have to at least consider that culture. That seems to be their concern in this report.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:57 AM
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13. Cultural Relativist BS.
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johnroshan Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:57 AM
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14. Can't believe the number of stuck up asses here...
IMHO the US should be sensitive on religious issues while dealing with nations and cultures that place a lot of emphasis on religion. Most of the wars today are fueled by misunderstanding and cynicism. If understanding their religion and culture provides a way to peace and coexistence, so be it.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:08 AM
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15. Michelle Obama was on the board of directors of this group...
until the '08 primary.

Supposedly all major faiths are represented...wish they listed some of them besides the Christian Coalition.

Highly suspect in their attempts to regulate/control US foreign policy using religion.

"The United States Is Not A Christian Nation." Treaty of Tripoli, 1797.

Lets get rid of the White House office of faith etc.
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Stumbler Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 04:03 PM
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21. I'm wondering if any atheists were included.
If not, I think that's rather odd. Like teaching a math class w/o the concept of 0.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 12:09 PM
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32. lol
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:15 AM
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17. most wars are fueled
by the ignorance, hatred and bigotry perpetrated by the believers.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:35 AM
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25. Maybe, but if religion were not used as a rationale, something else would be.
Jonathan Swift got it right in Gulliver's Travels.

See also, original Star Trek series Episode 70 "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_That_Be_Your_Last_Battlefield


If religion disappeared tomorrow, we'd still have the same number of wars, maybe more.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:14 AM
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16. religion is the greatest evil ever invented by man.
Any organizations that is 'faith based' should be ignored. They should not be turned to for policy advice and they should not be funded.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:37 AM
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26. Maybe bigotry is a greater evil. Could not agree more on public funding, though.
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 03:40 PM
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36. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who's come to this conclusion.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:03 PM
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19. All I need's a few more drinks and I can handle this drinkin' problem just fine
Yes, they scare me, but my principle reaction is one of true revulsion.

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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 05:36 PM
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22. I think that I'm reading between the lines or something, because I have a sort of different take
When the article says "ill-informed and 'uncompromising Western secularism'" to me that is code-speak for fundamental Christianity.

I know, they can't say it, but it sort of looks to me like they are saying that the US (by virtue of having a "no official" religion status) has erred on the side of the "non-official" state religion, which we ALL know is Christianity. Only they call it "secularism" and wink and nod amongst themselves.

So in a sense, they are correct. That has certainly fucked us up royally abroad.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 07:49 PM
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23. Oh yeah! Blame the secular community. BS!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:48 AM
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28. Whodda thunk an attack on the US by religious fanatics would put the
Establishment Clause in the hopper (along with most of the rest of the Bill of Rights)?

Sometimes, irony is amusing. Sometimes, it's sickening. This is one of the sickening times.
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thomasw5 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:10 AM
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30. Some clarification
Hi,
Hope you don't mind me barging into the debate here.

The Washington Post article was somewhat misleading. Contra the Post, the report did not actually say that US FP is handicapped by a God Gap (a term never used in the report) or by an uncompromising secularism (this was only raised in the context of alternative strategies). The report acknowledges that religion has caused problems in U.S. foreign policy just as not understanding religion has. You only need to look at the outrageous situation in Uganda or the framing of the fight against terrorism as religious to understand that. A better understanding of religion in US foreign policy may actually help reduce its negative impact by helping the US avoid actions that are religious in nature. These two articles might help clarify the report's findings

http://tinyurl.com/yd2jykl

and

http://tinyurl.com/ylzmxsj

Thanks for the lively debate,

Thomas Wright
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:46 AM
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31. Thanks for the info. The Chicago Council has a link on their
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 11:47 AM by Jim__
web page (http://www.thechicagocouncil.org/taskforce_details.php?taskforce_id=10) to the report. Whenever I try to access the report I get an error - the file is damaged. It may be my problem, but do you know if that is intentional? Thanks.
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thomasw5 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 12:31 PM
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33. report
I think it's your computer as it's generally working ok-- email me directly (twright@thechicagocouncil.org) and I will send you a pdf version.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 03:40 PM
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37. I got it - thanks. Used a newer computer.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 12:49 PM
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34. Um, no. Maybe we just stop bombing other countries, period, for resource gains.
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