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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 02:41 AM
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Putin signs energy deals with Chavez on Venezuela visit
Source: BBC News

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has signed a series of key energy deals with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez during a visit to the capital, Caracas.

Mr Chavez said Russia had agreed to help Venezuela with a nuclear power plant and on building a space industry.

However, the Venezuelan leader, a long-time adversary of Washington, insisted that "we are not building an alliance against the United States".

Bolivian President Evo Morales was also invited to meet Mr Putin in Caracas.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8601388.stm
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 04:09 AM
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1. Putin hammers the final nail in the Monroe Doctrine's coffin ...


... while Obama and Hillary continue to piffle around with Latin America.



Ironic that Uncle Sam's hat is covering Venezuela; note the little Russian man on the left of the cartoon.





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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 09:19 AM
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8. "while Obama and Hillary continue to piffle around with Latin America"?

For fuck's sake, man.

Bush left very little to no maneuvering room in Latin America for the Obama administration.

Thanks to Bush, the U.S. is impotent in Latin America outside of Columbia.

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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:02 AM
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11. If Obama wanted to make amends with LA he could have
denounced the Honduran coup more forcefuly for starters and not sat on the side lines. Sorry, you can't blame * for sitting on your own hands.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:02 AM
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12. Dupe. puters actin up
Edited on Sat Apr-03-10 10:03 AM by Arctic Dave
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:28 AM
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13. The seven bases in Colombia



accords this past October came on the Obama, not the * watch.

It is what prompted Venezuela's latest flurry of weapons buying from Russia.

Fyi also, Evo Morales flew in from La Paz to Caracas to meet with Putin last night. Morales returns to Bolivia with a Russian line of credit worth U$S 100 million to buy Russian helicopters to use against drug traffickers.

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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:37 PM
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21. Obama doesn't really need to do anythiing with Latinoamerica
There's absolutely nothing for him to do. Obama should focus on the US economy and getting the US troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and design a foreign policy that's more sensible. For example, why the hell is the US making trouble in places like Georgia?

The Russian Putin is signing these deals with Chavez because he's interested in selling weapons. And he is under pressure from the Americans around his borders, therefore he's just creating some leverage - this is a little tit for tat in response to US's aggressive moves agaisnt Russia. These American aggressive moves are driven by the US desire to put pressure on the Russians to help the US stop the Iranian nuclear power development. They need the Russians to be very flexible and do what the US wants. And why is the US worried about Iran? Iran isn't really developing a nuclear weapon - they are only processing low grade fuel. But the Israelis via the Israel lobby control US foreign policy in the Middle East - Obama is growing a small backbone, but thus far it's very tiny and it's possible only because the Israel stance has insulted the USA and is so absolutely criminal not even a lackey like the US can bend down and bow to Israel's masters of the universe.

So in this game of chess, things are linked, but in the end, Venezuela is just a meaningless pawn being moved by the Russians. They will dump Chavez when the time is ripe. After all, Chavez is a communist. And the Russians are anything but communists now.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 03:33 PM
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24. Would you prefer "invade" to "piffle"? A few coups, perhaps?
"The Monroe Doctrine" and its history should be consigned to the same garbage bin of deceptively cute names for imperialist assaults on the world as "The Great Game" and "The Scramble for Africa."
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 05:34 AM
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2. Sarah should have stayed in Alaska and kept an eye on Putin.
This is some bad news.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 06:30 AM
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4. Bad news for whom ?
Certainly not the population of Venezuela who need additional sources of power.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 05:58 AM
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3. You're darn tootin, Putin
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 07:30 AM
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5. The space program is a waste of valuable resources
that will only enrich Russia.

The nuclear power plant makes sense.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 07:49 AM
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7. Yep
I'm not too sure what on earth the mention is of a space program is all about
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:00 AM
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10. Chavez explained the space program earlier this week


The idea is a bi-nation, Venezuela-Russia satellite-launching platform similar to the French platform in neighboring French Guiana.

The program would also include manufacture of satellites. Chavez said Russia was offering expertise for the project but that the deal is a "possible" one. It is not finalized.

Chavez and Evo Morales in the past have expressed interest in their own satellites for educational, scientific, weather and telecommunications purposes. Up to now Venezuela and Bolivia depend on foreign companies for satellite services.

China launched Venezuela's first satellite, the Venesat-1 (aka the Simón Bolívar satellite) in Oct. 2008 from the Chinese spaceport at Xichang. Chavez at the time said with that Venezuela had "nationalized its own outer space, which had been privatized."

Another Venezuelan satellite is scheduled to be launched in 2013.

Only Mexico, Brazil and Argentina have their own, nationally-manufactured satellites in orbit now. Venezuela want to join the club of satellite builders and launchers.

State Department flack Philip Crowley made fun of Venezuela's aspirations for its own satellite program with Russia's help. He said the U.S. had noticed that the energy crisis in Venezuela had practically paralyzed the country for almost a week and that Venezuela should probably focus more on earthly rather than space issues.

What Crowley did not know, or ignored, is that Venezuela went into the Easter week two days early to conserve energy that has been sharply reduced because of an El Nino-caused drought.

Hil's State Department putting its hoof in its mouth once more. Figures.











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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:46 AM
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15. Thanks for explaining
the space bit.

I knew that their current problems were caused by water shortage at their hydro schemes and had wondered if it might be El Nino being the root of the problem.

:hi:
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 11:20 AM
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17. Yep, Hugo Chavez caused El Nino too
:-)

but read it may be cooling off and rains could arrive in May.

Btw, Putin brought along one of these




Russian fire-fighting plane BE-200 made a demonstration flight in Venezuela, putting out a forest fire, the head of Venezuela's national civil protection agency has said.

The BE-200 amphibious aircraft, used by Russia's emergencies services, flew to Venezuela from Chile, where it took part in the International Air and Space Fair — FIDAE 2010 on March 23-28.

"The Russian plane took off from the military air base in Aragua to show its technical capabilities. During the flight we redirected it to extinguish a real fire near Carabobo, and the mission was successfully completed," Luis Diaz said.

The Venezuelan official said the country was interested in purchasing Russia's BE-200 fire-fighting planes to strengthen Venezuela's emergencies services.

Searing drought hit the Latin American state this year, resulting in a large number of heavy forest fires.



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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 03:57 PM
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25. Won't happen
A Russian missile launching facility in Venezuela? It won't happen. Venezuela doesn't have the money to pay for it, and the Russians don't have the incentive, they already have launching facilities in Kazakhstan. If they want high quality launching facilities they would do a lot better making a deal with say Viet Nam, where the cost of labor is much cheaper.
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 12:46 PM
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18. Why would a nuclear power plant make sense?
Venezuela has huge natural gas reserves, and hydro and wind power potential. Why do you think we need a nuclear power plant? This is just a move to goad the US. The nuclear power plant will not be built because Venezuela lacks the money to pay for it, so it's all a little moot anyway, but why would you say such a thing?
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ro1942 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 07:45 AM
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6. Bravo for Venezuela
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 09:49 AM
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9. uh-oh... this will piss off the right wing nationalists
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:30 AM
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14. Why should Venezuela do anything else, given the non-stop hostility of the U.S. since 2002
and the U.S. supported violent rightwing coup attempt?

The Chavez government...

--has been repeatedly elected by overwhelming majorities in honest, transparent, internationally monitored elections and has enjoyed continual approval ratings in the 55% to 60% range throughout its tenure;

--has provided universal free medical care to Venezuelans, nearly wiped out illiteracy, and has doubled higher education enrollment and greatly improved education at every level;

--has cut poverty in half and cut extreme poverty by 70%;

--has presided over a period of amazing economic growth (10%) over the five year period 2003 to 2008;

--has managed the Venezuelan economy very competently, resulting in low debt, high cash reserves, good credit, low unemployment and a very conservative budget for 2010/2011 based on only $40/barrel for oil (it's now double that)--excellent conditions for facing the Bushwhacks' Financial 9/11 of September 2008; and they have done all this WHILE fully funding many new social programs;

--re-negotiated the oil contracts with multinational corporations to give Venezuela a 60/40 share (controlling share) in its own oil and a 50/50 cut of the profits for Venezuela's social programs, as opposed to previous (rightwing/neo-liberal) governments' 10/90 giveaway of the oil to the multinationals (with the rich oil elite taking a cut for themselves and completely ignoring the needs of the poor majority and the good of the country);

--recently signed eight oil corporations from as many countries to develop the Orinoco oil belt on Venezuela's terms;

--has vastly improved the civil and human rights of the poor majority, of women and gays, of African-Venezuelans, of the Indigenous and other previously excluded groups;

--has greatly improved public access to broadcast and other communications;

--has joined with Brazil and other countries in numerous cooperative political/economic projects to "raise all boats" in the region (help to smaller/poorer countries), and to move toward a Latin American "common market";

--has initiated numerous forward-looking regional projects, for instance, the Bank of the South (which is elbowing the World Bank/IMF loan sharks out of the region) and ALBA (Central American/Caribbean trade group with social justice goals).

So, tell me, WHAT HAS THE CHAVEZ GOVERNMENT DONE to harm the U.S.? What has it done to merit a decade of hostility, including several coup attempts, a relentless, lying, slandering, psyops/disinformation campaign, and massive USAID/CIA funding of rightwing, coup plotting, rich elites? And what has the U.S. done to be friendly to Venezuela's democracy and to its social justice goals, and to create a climate favorable to U.S. business in Venezuela?

When the Chavez government asserted Venezuela's RIGHT to better profits from its oil, Exxon Mobil walked out of the talks and into a "first world" court and tried to seize $12 billion in Venezuela's assets--the biggest, richest corporation on earth literally trying to take food out of the mouths of poor children and books out of their hands. And THAT appears to be who is running U.S. foreign policy in Latin America--Exxon Mobil. That is the attitude of the U.S. government--under the Bush Junta and now under the Obama administration as well. Exxon Mobil's attitude.

Yes, the Chavez government invited Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Venezuela. So did Brazil. So did Bolivia. Why shouldn't they? Are these not SOVEREIGN governments with the RIGHT to make their own foreign policy? Yes, Chavez called Bush "the Devil." Who here would disagree? Did Bush not slaughter a hundred thousand innocent Iraqis, in the first weeks of bombing alone, to steal their oil? Did Bush not instigate torture dungeons around the world? Did Bush not rip up the U.S. Constitution and bust the U.S. economy? "Devil" is a good epithet for him and his puppetmasters. And that was after four years of U.S. coup attempts and other dastardly deeds against Venezuela's elected government! Did Chavez not have a right to say that? Who had more right, except the families of the dead at Bush's hands?

The U.S. has meanwhile been propping up a violent, narco-thug government and military right on Venezuela's border, with $7 BILLION in military aid to Colombia--a country with one the worst human rights records on earth, a country where tens of thousands of union leaders, human rights workers, community organizers, teachers, journalists, peasant farmers and others have been slaughtered, with U.S. help. Yet another mass grave was just found in La Macarena, Colombia, with up to 2,000 bodies, in a region of special interest and activity by the U.S. military and the USAID. Local people say the bodies are of local 'disappeared' community activists. The suspicion is growing that the U.S. military, also the U.K. military, have been participating in these political "cleansings" of regions of Colombia--but even if they haven't directly murdered Colombian civilians, the U.S. has fostered a climate of militarism and lawlessness that encourages Colombian military and paramilitary mass murder. Furthermore, tens of thousands of refugees--of the FOUR MILLION displaced peasant farmers in Colombia--have fled over the border into Venezuela, also into Ecuador, creating a massive refugee headache and expense for those countries and creating instability in the border areas.

So, why shouldn't Venezuela look ELSEWHERE for foreign investment--which it has very successfully done? Exxon Mobil, Bush-Cheney and the continuum of U.S. policy toward Latin American which the Obama administration is furthering, have poisoned the well in Latin America for U.S. business interests. U.S. corpo-fascists have done this to themselves. It did not have to be. The contracts for Venezuela's oil and Bolivia's lithium, gas and oil, and for other development of Latin America's rich resources are going to go those countries and corporations who respect Latin American sovereignty and play by the rules set down by Latin American countries. They are creating their own "level playing field" BECAUSE the U.S. has played dirty--throughout the history of U.S./Latin American relations, and recently, and the Obama administration, particularly by its actions on Honduras and Colombia, have made it very clear that they are no different. They are playing the same old dirty--bullying, militaristic--game as the Bushwhacks and virtually every U.S. government for the last half century.

What the U.S. and its corporate rulers and war profiteers find intolerable in Latin America is REAL democracy, REAL sovereignty and REAL people power. And it has become increasingly clear that they find these things intolerable here as well. Thus, the fast-tracking of 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines, with virtually no audit/recount controls, all over the U.S. Tell me what 'TRADE SECRET,' non-transparent, unaccountable, corporate-run vote counting is FOR, except to continue corporate/war profiteer rule, as the looting and the militarism get worse. What is FOR, hm? Why have we been deprived of the RIGHT--the essential democratic right--to SEE how our votes are tabulated?

They have that right in Venezuela. We do not.



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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 11:01 AM
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16. Do not know if gringo press reported this



At a news conference yesterday, Putin dismissed allegations that Venezuela is a state supporter of terrorism, as repeatedly claimed by the U.S. government (regarding the FARC-EP) and most recently by a Spanish judge who said the Chavez government had links to the Basque ETA.

Putin said Russia has a "very good information databank" on those who support terrorism, "and we never had any indication that Venezuela supports terrorism. If it were so, I would not be here now, despite the benefits of economic cooperation with Venezuela."

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El primer ministro ruso, Vladimir Putin desmintió expresamente las sospechas de que Venezuela apoya a terroristas, explicó que cuentan con un banco de información muy bueno sobre los que ayudan al terrorismo y nunca tuvimos un indicio de que Venezuela apoyase el terrorismo. Agregó que “si eso no fuera así, yo no estaría aquí ahora, a pesar de los beneficios que nos pueda reportar la cooperación económica con Venezuela".

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Once again, Hil's State Department takes it on the chin.






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debunkthelies Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:24 PM
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19. K&R
Very well written post and accurate as well, you have really done your research. BRAVO!!:applause: :applause:
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:30 PM
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20. Blah blah blah
Why don't you tell them the Interamerican Human Rights Commission just issued a report very critical of the human rights situation in Venezuela, and how our economy is cratering right now?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 12:10 AM
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27. The IHRC recognized the rightwing coup d'etat against the elected Chavez government in 2002!
They have about as much credibility as the U.S. State Department...

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Venezuela Rejects Inter-American Human Rights Commission Report

By JAMES SUGGETT – VENEZUELANALYSIS.COM

Mérida, May 12th 2009 (Venezuelanalysis.com) - On Saturday, the Venezuelan government rejected the annual report of the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR), which categorized Venezuela as one of four countries in the hemisphere where human rights are particularly threatened. President Hugo Chávez said Venezuela will consider withdrawing from the Organization of American States (OAS) and forming a separate regional organization with its allies.

The IACHR, which is an institution of the OAS, labeled Venezuela, Cuba, Haiti, and Colombia countries which "for diverse reasons confront situations that seriously and gravely affect the enjoyment of fundamental rights."

According to the report, Venezuela is "a hostile environment for political dissent." Human rights activists have received threats from unknown individuals, and the government has openly expressed its suspicion of human rights organizations that receive funding from international sources that may be hostile to the "21st Century Socialism" that Venezuela is constructing, the report says.

The report also alleges that the government violated freedom of religion by forcibly searching a Jewish community center in Caracas for weapon stashes. It highlights the increased rates of homicide and violent deaths in jails as signs that citizen security is weakly enforced.

Although the IACHR report focuses mainly on political and civil rights, it briefly "recognizes the importance" of the government's extensive social programs that have drastically improved Venezuelans' social and economic human rights, by cutting poverty in half, abolishing illiteracy, and making primary health care freely accessible to all Venezuelans.

In response to the report, the Foreign Relations Ministry released a statement in which it "categorically rejects" the "inexact, malicious, and false character of affirmations," which lack "transparency and objectivity."

"The IACHR has abandoned its role as an international organism for the protection of human rights... and converted itself into a political instrument of the national and international sectors which, for ideological reasons, attack the progressive governments of the region," stated the Ministry.

The Ministry recounted how the IACHR recognized the interim government that was installed during a two-day coup d'etat in April 2002, during which sectors of the military and the elite business class kidnapped President Chávez and dissolved the constitution.

Also, from the time Venezuela ratified the American Convention on Human Rights in 1977 until the beginning of Chávez's presidency, which was a time period marked by many human rights crimes including the murder, disappearance, and torture of leftist political dissidents, the IACHR brought only six cases against Venezuela. During Chávez's presidency, in contrast, the IACHR has brought approximately 150 cases against Venezuela, according to the Ministry.

The Ministry demanded that the IACHR "apply the principles of universality, impartiality, objectivity, and non-selectivity in its examination of human rights issues, eliminate the application of a double standard and politicization," and "admit that it recognized the coup d'etat and rectify its biased position against our country."

Venezuela will continue to improve its human rights situation, "independently of the manipulations and lies of the IACHR," the Ministry's statement concluded.

During the televised inauguration of nearly two dozen new public health care centers on Saturday, President Chávez called the IACHR's report "immoral" and a sign of the "cynicism" of the OAS.

"Venezuela could leave the OAS and bring together the peoples of this continent to liberate ourselves from these old instruments, and to form an organization of free peoples of Latin America," said Chávez, who has already initiated several regional integration organizations based on cooperation and mutual benefit, as an alternative to U.S.-dominated free trade agreements.

"Why didn't (the report) condemn Bush?" Chávez asked, referring to U.S. President Barack Obama's predecessor. Chávez also said the report should have condemned the Obama administration's recent military assault on Afghanistan, which killed more than a hundred Afghan civilians.

The U.S. has never ratified the American Convention on Human Rights.

In response to the Venezuelan government's objections on Saturday, IACHR President Luz Patricia Mejía admitted that the private media, which are open adversaries of the Chávez government, provided the "majority of the information that the report possesses at present."

"We have openly questioned the use of the media as a principal source from which to formulate a general diagnosis of human rights in Venezuela, the use of media which have participated in an open and direct manner in political junctures that the country has lived and is living, and most of all, those which participated in an open and direct manner in the coup d'etat in 2002," said Mejía during an interview with the Caracas-based regional news station Telesur.

Mejía, a Venezuelan lawyer who previously worked with the Venezuelan human rights organization PROVEA, a frequent critic of the Chávez government, recommended that an "internal debate" be held during next month's summit of the OAS in Honduras.

Meanwhile, former Cuban President Fidel Castro expressed solidarity with Venezuela in the face of the OAS. "Today, Chávez is a formidable adversary of the capitalist system of production and of imperialism... No wonder the OAS is hypocritically trying to present him as an enemy of freedom of expression and democracy," Castro wrote in an editorial published in Cuban and South American news outlets. "Venezuela is not alone," wrote Castro.


http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/4438

See also

Venezuela Says Inter-American Press Assoc. Resolution Aimed at Regime Change
http://hcvanalysis.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/venezuela-says-inter-american-press-assoc-resolution-aimed-at-regime-change/
17/12/2008: More Than 100 Latin America Experts Question Human Rights Watch's Venezuela Report
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/4051
05/03/2009: Inter-American Human Rights Court Says Venezuela Did Not Violate TV Station’s Free Speech
http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/4268
14/11/2008: Venezuela On Track to Achieve Millennium Development Goals in Education
http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/3951
Interamerican Court of Human Rights caught conspiring against justice and Venezuela
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_58983.shtml

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As for Venezuela's economy, it is NOT "cratering." It is in fact in very good shape--with numerous new oil contracts on Venezuela's terms, rising oil prices, low unemployment, good credit, high international cash reserves, a wise and voluntary devaluation of the bolivar--a very confident move (which caused a jump in Venezuela's status on Stand & Poor and other indexes)--and an increasingly educated and increasingly well fed population with universal access to medical care. Venezuela has also made progress on land reform, local manufacturing and other goals. It is the U.S. economy that is cratering!

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 01:09 AM
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29. IACHR gets its material from the coup-participating enemies of the elected President. How special.
They don't seem to feel the shame one would expect, considering what's at stake.

Guess they believe these oligarchs are going to win, and reseize Venezuela in the end. They have a cynical view of humanity, and a limited understanding of human nature.

Good WILL triumph over evil. They should count on it, and stop serving the interests of the elite the people already voted OUT of power.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 01:09 AM
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30. "Venezuela is no tyranny..."
"Venezuela is no tyranny
Dictatorship has returned to Latin America in Honduras, not in the genuine, if imperfect, democracy of Venezuela


Francisco Dominguez
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 14 October 2009 11.30 BST

As Latin Americans witness the return of dictatorship – with Honduras suffering political executions, widespread repression (LINK) and condemnation from human rights organisations about curtailing of press freedoms (LINK) – it seems a strange time for the media** to repeat opposition allegations that Venezuela is becoming a tyranny (LINK).

Venezuela is far from the "dictatorship which has a facade of democracy" described by General Raúl Baduel, who has been accused of corruption. What kind of tyranny oversees a 70% increase of participation in presidential elections, as Chávez has, or the government holding 13 free and fair elections in 10 years?

Of course, Venezuelan society and democracy is imperfect. One example is that corruption remains a very real problem. Opponents have tried to use this issue to disparage the government, though it pre-dates the Chávez era. It is therefore ironic that when measures are taken to tackle it, as is the case in legal prosecutions, these are cited as examples of a clampdown on political freedoms. Many Chávez-supporting politicians are under investigation and it paints a distorted picture to focus only on prosecutions against those opposed to Chávez.

Taking the two most prominent cases of those aligned with the opposition. With Baduel, the military prosecutors investigating the disappearance of more than $18.6m in 2006 and 2007 while he was minister of defence have decided to prosecute. He has had all the rights to a defence lawyer and transparent trial, yet so far his defence has not produced any evidence to counter the charges of corruption.

Manuel Rosales, infamously a signatory to the decree backing the 2002 military coup against Chávez, is one of the most notorious cases. He has allegedly been unable to show the source of millions of dollars in assets both in Venezuela and abroad. He fled to Peru and requested political asylum, but being given asylum by Peru is not proof of innocence. Recently Bolivia nearly broke diplomatic relations with Peru for granting asylum to three ministers from a previous government charged with responsibility for the October 2003 massacre in which 67 people were killed by the Bolivian army.

What cannot be said of Venezuela is that the right to protest is threatened. This year alone, the opposition have staged dozens of marches free from state harassment. On numerous occasions opponents and marchers have been invited to address the nation from the National Assembly.

In contrast, it was only 20 years ago that protests were met by brutal repression in Venezuela, with the Caracazo massacre by state security forces leaving 276 dead according to official figures and up to 3,000, according to claims, once mass graves were uncovered.

The opposition's hostile views of the Chávez government dominate the Venezuelan media**. But that is not the reason why some radio stations were recently closed. These were operating illegally without proper licences and continued to refuse to comply with the law. More than 200 radio stations, most of which identify with the opposition, that were also operating irregularly but did renew their franchises continue to operate freely.

Respect for democracy is intrinsic to the particular model being followed by the Chávez government. It does not resort to violence – it wins elections. In contrast, it is noteworthy that the notable elements of the Venezuelan opposition have broadly sympathised with the illegal de facto government of Micheletti in Honduras. Maybe in Honduras we have a serious glimpse of what "democracy" would have been like in Venezuela had its violent attempts to overthrow Chávez been successful?****


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/14/venezuela-democracy-honduras-chavez

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**(The hostile Venezuelan and international corpo-fascist media was the main source of the allegations of human rights violations by the Chavez government--which the IHRC spokesman admitted!)

****(I have made this point before, and I appreciate it coming from another writer as well. What would Venezuela be like today if the U.S. supported rightwing coup had succeeded? Their first act, after kidnapping the elected president, was to suspend the Constitution, the National Assembly, the courts and all civil rights. Then they sent rightwing mobs to hunt down members of the Chavez government at their homes. RCTV provided the "lists" for this witch-hunt. If the Venezuelan people had not been able to stop this coup, next would have been the torture and death of many of these members of the ELECTED government, and witch-hunts throughout the country for key Chavez supporters. This is the pattern of U.S. supported rightwing coups in Latin America--death to the opposition!--a horror that is now visiting Honduras. "Protocol rv"'s tiresome, uninformed, Chevron-Texaco-loving, rightwing views, and racist remarks, are typical of the "opposition" in Venezuela--so like our "tea-baggers" here. In another thread, "protocol rv" questioned the word of a man who presented evidence of Chevron-Texaco's vast toxic oil spill in Ecuador--a spill the size of Rhode Island in Ecuador's Amazon, commonly referred to as "the rainforest Chernobyl"--because the man is "an Indian." So we can take "protocol rv"'s remark about my post--"blah, blah, blah"--as typical rightwing racist projection. It is "protocal rv" who is blah-blah-blah-ing at DU.)
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 03:06 PM
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22. + 1
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 03:19 PM
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23. You couldn't create such amazing writings from so much research, without a very great heart.
I hope you're aware there are very many DU'ers here who think the world of you, and deeply respect your comments.

Thanks for taking the time to write this outstanding post.

President Chavez has done more for his country's majority of human beings than any other Venezuelan President, hands down. All screeching to the contrary is simply political, and bogus.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 12:46 AM
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28. I bookmark so many of your posts. This one too.
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 10:47 AM
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31. Venezuelan Government is inefficient, that is all
Signing agrements with the Russians isn't necessarily a good response to the "US hostility" you mention. As you know, I live in Venezuela, and my impression is that President Chavez has a tendency to insult and make trouble with other nations, which is uncalled for. Close examination of his personality would tell us he's rather juvenile, and is ill tempered.

Most of the agreements signed with the Russians are vaporware. They amount to nothing. The ones that count are the ones concerning oil field developments and weapons purchases by Venezuela. These two are linked - the Russians agree to pay for the right to develop oil fields and the Venezuelans recycle the cash paid by the Russians back to Russia - buying weapons.

But Venezuela doesn't need the weapons Chavez buys. He's spent quite a bit of money on tanks, fighter bombers, and now he's purchasing military helicopters. But Venezuela suffers from a very poor economy, and we have serious infrastructure problems. Chavez has been in power for 10 years, and there has been considerable neglect of basic infrastructure needs. There has also been a very spotty enforcement of environmental regulations meant to protect rain forest in watershed areas feeding our giant water reservoirs. The neglect has also extended to the oil and gas fields. This means today the nation's oil production capacity is much lower than it was 10 years ago - in spite of grandiose plans published by Chavez in 2005 which have come to nothing. Things are so bad now, we're importing natural gas from Colombia. The Colombians, who are very cool about business, keep selling us the gas at high prices while Chavez rants and raves about US bases in Colombia, and wastes the money we should use to develop our own natural gas on Russian weapons.

And why are all these Russian weapons a waste of money? Because everybody in Venezuela knows our Army is full of fat generals who wouldn't know how to fight Monaco's Army. And also because if it ever comes to a real shooting war, it would be with Colombia, and it would take 24 hours for the US to send waves of cruise missiles to bomb our airfields into rubble, turning all that expensive Russian hardware into little pieces of aluminum foil. And the tanks? What the hell are we doing with tanks when the border with Colombia, other than in the Guajira, is mountains and jungle? Exactly who is going to invade us or whom are we going to invade with those tanks? The whole thing smacks me of a President who used to be a mid level officer getting his pleasure buying toys and making believe he's some sort of Latin American Napoleon.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 07:37 AM
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35. Rose colored glasses
Chavez is nothing but dictator-lite. It's pretty easy to win elections when you control the media and have opposition voices shut down. I wonder if you'll cheer as he continues to arrests judges for making legal decisions that he disagrees with?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/world/americas/04venez.html
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 04:35 PM
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26. I read all the posts - consider this: USA has "invaded" Russia's back yard
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So If Russia can gain advantage in the countries South of the USA . . .

WHY NOT?

Besides

The USA has been messing around with all the governments south of them for centuries

and most of them are not happy with that - maybe they want a new "boss"

and the USA ain't "it"

USA lost it's global (wannabe) image of the benevolent policeman when it invaded Iraq

Billions saw the images of the USA slaughter - USA hasn't even realized how they pooched themselves over there

SO

other nations rise, as the USA fumbles around trying to rationalize their incompetence which only their own voters/taxpayers will believe.

Even if the USA manages to kill a billion people

there's 5 billion left . . . .

something to ponder . .

:freak:

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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 10:54 AM
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32. Dear Canuck: We don't want a new boss
Russian isn't going to be Venezuela's boss. These agreements don't amount to much, and Chavez is on his way out, we have elections coming in September and if they're clean the government party (the communists) will lose.

But let's put things into perspective, buying a few weapons from the Russians doesn't make them our boss. And if the Russians ever do develop those heavy oil blocks, that won't make them our boss either. They'll be one amongst many multinationals Chavez has signed up. Today, those multinationals are sitting around on the fence, waiting like vultures for Chavez to fall, or to change his mind and agree to international arbitration of the oil contracts. When we change governments, it'll be necessary to honor those contracts, but they won't own us either.

I know Canadians are used to be the US's tail, but we're not as close to the empire as you are. :-)
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 11:02 AM
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33. Will you accept the results of the elections if international observers judge them to "clean"?
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 11:47 AM
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34. "we're not as close to the empire as you are" - lucky you
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I should have thought more about the "new boss" thing

No nation should be a minion to another, so NO boss other than your own elected leaders would be appropriate.

However, the USA determined long ago to mess around in other nations' business - usually to the benefit of the USA, not the other nation

but you know all this

So do we . .

(sigh)

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 03:22 PM
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36. Uruguayan President thanks Venezuelan "generosity"
CARACAS, Wednesday April 07, 2010
Uruguayan President thanks Venezuelan "generosity"

The President of Uruguay, José "Pepe" Mujica, who is paying an official visit to Venezuela, thanked Hugo Chávez government's "support" to the Southern country in areas such as energy and trade.

During a meeting held on Monday in Caracas with Uruguayan émigrés in Venezuela, Mujica said that he had never known a government as supportive as the administration headed by his counterpart Hugo Chávez, DPA reported.

The Uruguayan president is paying a visit to the National Pantheon of Venezuela, in Caracas, where he is laying a wreath at the tomb of the national hero Simón Bolívar.

After his visit to the National Pantheon, Mujica is meeting with Chávez in the Miraflores presidential palace. The Uruguayan ruler is to sign several agreements on trade and energy.

http://english.eluniversal.com/2010/04/07/en_pol_esp_uruguayan-president_07A3704931.shtml
Opposition newspaper
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