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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:27 PM Original message |
4M Estimated to Pay Health Care Penalty in 2016 |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. Since when is a fine a tax, CBS? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. When the fine is collected by the IRS? |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. The IRS thinks that it is a tax. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. When assessed as part of income tax |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Why play stupid? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. The verbiage of the law calls it a tax. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. Fining people for not buying health insurance is obscene. |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. That's one way to look at it. The other way is, if people won't participate, it hurts the whole |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
84. If insurance is too much |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
5. The penalties for not obeying the mandates to a Tee are |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. "People will not be required to get coverage if the cheapest plan...costs more than 8 % of income." |
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SocialistLez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Let me see if I have this right |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Not always. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:58 AM Response to Reply #17 |
67. I wonder how they'll find health issues when they come up, which are inevitable... |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. Not quite... |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. With the higher premiums for 55+ and those w/ pre-existing conditions |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. Some might dislike this comment, but...... |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Well - I hate to disagree, buuuuuuuuuuuuut... |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I didn't hear the rate for businesses |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
82. I imagine many small business owners |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:49 AM Response to Reply #31 |
69. The struggling middle class is not your enemy. |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:52 AM Response to Reply #31 |
72. When the power elite grab so much that they are strangling the economy |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
87. You couldn't be more wrong. |
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nnorman (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
8. No one will be forced to pay the penalty |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. And you know this how? |
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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. from the article: |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. No, they will just rack up penalties and interest. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. That conflicts with what I've read and heard for several decades as well as what I'm reading now... |
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OnlinePoker (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. If you're entitled to a refund, will they confiscate it before sending you the residuals? n/t |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I actually heard this also |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Sorry but that's a crock. |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. What enforcement means. |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. It's in the bill. The penalty for not paying the fine is $0. |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. That just means that IRS can't add add'l penalties to the liability |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. And if the government starts actually losing large sums because everyone knows that...? |
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nnorman (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. It is stated in the healthcare bill under "Enforcements" |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. You are confusing a prohibition against imposing penalties with not enforcing the original tax. n/t |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #25 |
78. "the Reps will use scare tactics by saying the IRS will find ways to get them" |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
77. Everyone knows this except you. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Civil penalties include taking away one's property! |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. they will have the power to withold tax refunds, however.... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
71. If they are taking it out of your TAX RETURN without your permission.... |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
85. So the IRS comes and |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Exactly. |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Then no one |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. Seems to me the most likely scenario is that a taxpayer will fill out the 1040 |
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activa8tr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
22. 4 million won't be buying? About ALL the Tea Party people in |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Tea Party people are well to do and have private insurance |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. From the look of them, most Tea Partiers are on Medicare. n/t |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Seniors are really disturbed by this patient reform bill... |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
73. Agreed. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
36. This is obscene |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
37. The IRS already collects child support arrears and college loans. |
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RainMickey (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
40. Report: Health overhaul will increase nation's tab |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. the Repukes thank you for spreading their trash |
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Ralphie40 (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. this came from HHS |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. HHS wrote a report. This article picks and chooses numbers to support the Repuke line |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Guess you didn't read the OP did you? |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I did better, I read the article. It is biased at best, dishonest at worst. |
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Ralphie40 (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Biased yes, but is it true |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Then you can tell us where HHS got it wrong. |
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RainMickey (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. We stick our heads in the sand and we'll get handed them later. |
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Ralphie40 (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. you're kidding , right? |
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Ralphie40 (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Sickens me |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. " . . . first comprehensive look by neutral experts"? |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. this is nothing more than a Repig attempt to tarnish Obama's success |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
83. Funny you mention CBO, I posted a CBO story yesterday--it ain't good for HRC defenders! |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Oooh! Uh Oh! A Report Says So!!!! |
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Ralphie40 (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. How do we approach this |
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RainMickey (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Damn right they're going to be all over it. And they'll scare the shit out of |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. The Tea crowd is not our constituency |
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Ralphie40 (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. pandering? |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. And what is the truth Palin and the tea party are telling? |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Where did you find a Chomsky quote like that--a comic book? |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #40 |
55. Never mind the nonpartisan CBO's finding, and this ain't really official |
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Ralphie40 (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. 10 years is too long |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #40 |
60. I got a good fucking idea... |
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Ralphie40 (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Won't be long, they'll cut staff |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Then it's time for single-payer. |
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RainMickey (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Indeed! And we need to campaign on just that this fall! n/t |
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Socal31 (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
66. Why does this sounds like a Republican dream plan? |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
68. If you don't want to pay for insurance QUIT expecting to go to the emergency room if you have a |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. So let me get this straight. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. No, I think right now, if you're not paying for health care insurance you should be not be admitted |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. It is quite simple. Health care is a human right and should be afforded to all regardless of... |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. At that point, that human right has to be funded. Hospitals and doctors aren't imaginary things |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. Do you understand that your opinion would put you at odds w/ the status quo in Europe? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
93. LET THEM DIE? You are a horrible, horrible person. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
70. Given the trajectory of current health insurance premiums, |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. They're trying to regulate the health industry. The people against the insurance bill |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #81 |
89. Firstly it is seriously muddled to lump together all opponents of the recently passed law |
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Gecko6400 (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
75. Deleted already posted |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
90. This money should be redistributed among providers that get stuck with the bills |
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