Insurgent Attacks Kill 2 U.S. GIs in Iraq

By DANIEL COONEY, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents fired a rocket at U.S. troops in western Iraq (news - web sites), killing two soldiers, while in Baghdad rockets fired toward the U.S.-led coalition headquarters Sunday killed two Iraqi civilians and injured a U.S. soldier, U.S. officials said.
Insurgent Attacks Kill 2 U.S. GIs in Iraq
AP - 47 minutes ago

The attack in Baghdad came a day after the first anniversary of the start of the war that ousted Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).

A 1st Infantry Division soldier was also killed Sunday in an apparent accident during a weapons firing exercise in Samarra, about 100 kilometers (60 miles) north of Baghdad, Army spokeswoman Maj. Debra Stewart said. The incident was under investigation.

One of three rockets fired in Baghdad landed inside the coalition headquarters, but did not cause significant damage, a U.S. official said on condition of anonymity. The wounded soldier was hit by flying glass. Staff and journalists in the compound were instructed to take cover inside a bunker.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040321/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq&cid=540&ncid=716

http://lunaville.org May they all find peace with God.

forgive them of what they have done they were misled by a traitor to mankind

"Don't worry little buddy, our base won't care about the number of dead until it reaches 4 figures, and that won't be until after the election."

human psyche for some reason. I guess because we have 10 fingers.

1,000 will be notable - there is no telling when we reach that figure; maybe never or maybe in six months.

Hello all you bastards who inhabit the White House...You have killed two more of our children, and wounded another. You have killed over 500 of them now, we cant even keep count, you wont tell us the actual numbers..is it 580? is it 1,200 because you wont count the suicides and mistakes made over there? You keep skewing the numbers , you assholes, and hiding the bodies, you keep skewing the numbers of the civilians dead and wounded and hiding the truth, we dont see a damned thing on corporate news and every day that goes by we are kicked in the teeth with this because many of us refuse to lie to ourselves about who the real terrorists are.
YOU are, all of you in the White House. YOU are, every media mogul who decides to cater to the crowd who inhabits the Pentagon and runs the government by skewing the news.
The blood of these kids is on your hands you sons of bitches, you maggots , you slime, you scum sucking traitors.
You should hold their dead bodies in your hands and look at their eyes and watch their mothers cry and fathers cry and sit with their families as they bury their children.
If there is a God, may he or she damn you forever, you who threw these children into this hell you created.
Whosoever would harm a hair on one of these children's heads, better a stone be put around their neck and they be cast into the sea..
I do not forgive you for this, I hate you, I hate you with a passion that has no bounds, Mr Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, Perle, Kristol, Bremer, Chalabi, and all of the bastards who lie down in the corporate bed covered in childrens blood.
There is no forgiveness from the mothers. We will never forgive you and spend our lives making sure you and yours pay for this.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com

to address the terrorists in the WH. Good job!

Believe that Truth will prevail. Nothing is more powerful
than an Idea whose time has come.

All things come to those that wait.

Mari333:

I copied your step son's message to ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) flyers I handed out at the Demo in Hollywood yesterday.

I also left copies on the subway seats from Pasadena to Hollywood and Vine.

People read it!

The L.A. demo had about 20,000 people; I handed out about 200 copies.

Maxine Waters (D-CA) walked the route and spoke at the demo about Haiti; I got her autograph. She's such a great inspiration. Her speech was so powerful.

Ron Kovic (author of "Born on the 4th of July") was also in attendance
and was a guest speaker.

Let's Keep up the pressure and Bring the Troops Home NOW!

I love 'ya!

,...against these soul-less, hardened-hearted, close-minded arrogants who have proven their disrespect for human life. They deserve to be left behind in the darkness they project. I hate them, too, at times. I cannot help myself. But, then, I realize that, they actually believe in the horror that they, themselves, create,...as if there is no other alternative. Then, I wonder how they can be pulled from their voluntary, horrific rapture. They are obsessesed,...and, perhaps, should be heavily medicated *LOL* or thrown into a state of powerlessness long enough to garner both humility and a thirst for understanding. Ohhhh,...*sigh*,....I am but a fairly powerless witness of such things, knowing that none of us have the patent, trademark or copyright on "ultimate truth".

:hug::hug::hug:

After it is over, do not waste your energy on revenge on Bush. He will meet it sooner or later in one way or another. In any way that he does meet up with his evil self, it will not be an advantage to him any longer. He will live the rest of his life in a Texas ex pig farm facing an aging, ugly, fat assed, makeup plastered, eye lifted absolute dullard, vacant shell of a wife for a companion. He will crave a real woman on the side, but will not be able to attract one.

He will go down in history as the worst, the most evil, the absolute worst tyrannical president ever. He will go down in history as a war criminal and a murderer.

His lies will become history--believe me. There are many out there just waiting to snuff his lies out once he leaves the White House. He will go down in infamy.

I know that many not be terribly comforting but I wanted you to know that I am sorry for your suffering and angst.

I hate him also, like I never hated any president.

omg... this is just TOO much... :cry:

attacks and murders.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x435385

As I posted above, http://lunaville.org had the # at 578 last night and this morning it's at 582.

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Now I know at least 2 USSoldiers have died everyday
since then.

So 62 days have passed since then.

That would mean 124 USSoldiers have died.

500+124=624 USSoldiers dead.

A 5 to 1 wounded to killed ratio: 620 WIA since
011904.

I think this is conservative because some of the
wounded must have died as well.

Now I know at least 2 USSoldiers have died everyday
since then.

This is not true, so it throws off your whole calculation. February saw a serious lull in activity, with only 20 US service personnel dying in the theater for the whole 29 days. We are well above 1 per day for March, with a serious spike in deaths through both attacks and accidents coming in the last 14 days. However, the figure remains lower than 2 per day for the month. Your assumption that the wounded who later die are not counted or reported is equally without foundation. In fact, lunaville reported just recently that a soldier who sustained wounds on March 11 died of those wounds on March 18.

I qustion the "lull"
Insurgents also fired mortar rounds at two U.S. military bases Wednesday, killing three American soldiers and wounding nine others, the U.S. military said yesterday.

http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031774390309&path=!nationworld&s=1037645509161

Now this article came from a randomly selected lunaville
post. Do you know the status of the nine
wounded?And where did lunaville get its info here-
from the USMil.

More on this...

Speculation?

You state, unequivocally, that two soldier died each day (I assume you mean on average) between 1/19/04 and today. Why not 8 soldiers? Why not 15? The bottom line is that you are only speculating. We have no source of information other than the US Military. But this means that any speculations outside their information is groundless, and could be anything. The fact that the military has been reporting *some* cases of died of wounds, even a week, two weeks, and a month later calls your claim that they wouldn't report these into question.

Needless to say, you are welcome to speculate baselessly, or given your supposed formula for calculating KIA to WIA ratios, or however else you are coming up with these numbers (no method is clear), but I'll continue to insist, whenever you do, that these claims are merely speculation. We could speculate that 2000 troops have been killed between 1/19/04 and today just as easily as we could speculate 624. There's no difference. Both are without any basis.

The fact that the military has been reporting *some* cases of died of wounds, even a week, two weeks, and a month later calls your claim that they wouldn't report these into question.

I've been trying to make this argument from time to time on this forum for the last few months. I was starting to wonder if I was the only one willing to say that publically.

Maybe the US military is under-reporting casualties. Maybe not.

I still think that by trying to say that, surely, more US soldiers have died than have been reported, it gives up grounds to argue what I believe is a completely valid point: any number of dead soldiers is too many. One would have been too many, but we have many more than one dead US soldier, we have 582 dead, and 59 dead from the UK, and 17 Italians, and 11 Spaniards, and five Bulgarians, and three Ukrainians, and two Thais, and two Poles, and one Dane, and one Estonian dead.

This is a point that actually stands a chance of resonating outside of DU. It's unfathomable, but the fact is that even with all of the evidence of the US government (particularly the Bush administration) misleading and telling outright falsehoods, at least half of everyone you meet is going to believe what they have to say. Fuzzy math, if I might reappropriate some Bush 2000 campaign language to a place where it actually applies (unlike any time Bush used it,) about secret, dead Americans, that's not going to win over anybody who is not already convinced that there are secretly dead American soldiers. But tell them that there are 683 soldiers who have died, 512 since Bush stuffed his codpiece with a sock and flew out to the Abe Lincoln to announce "mission accomplished," 435 since Bush went on TV and said, "bring them on," 139 since Saddam Hussein was captured, and those are numbers that only the staunchest neo-cons can shrug off without a second thought.

If 1% of the number of soldiers over there were actually dead, could they hide that? Could they hide more than a small handful of deaths from families? Most, if not all, of the 101st Airborne, 82nd Airborne, and 4th Infantry, not to mention a number of smaller Army units, and Guard and Reserve units, have returned home or will be returning home shortly. If there had been a number of unreported deaths, we would be hearing about it now, because people would not be coming home. Certainly, I don't trust what comes out of the Pentagon, as I think they are some of the prime culprits in trying to paint the picture in Iraq as far rosier than it actually is. I do not, however, see that it is possible for there to be vast numbers of unreported coalition dead.

-CollegeDude
Thus suggests moving on from making that claim

"And whenever possible," a secretary had whispered to me, "combat deaths are classified as 'training accidents.'"

also killed Sunday(032104) in a
Weapons Training Exercise Samarra


http://www.journalism.indiana.edu/Ethics/using.html

more to come.

or contacted me about the claim that combat deaths were being intentionally under-reported.

Jonathan Franklin is a freelance reporter living in San
Francisco. His work has appeared in the Oakland
Tribune, San Francisco Bay Guardian, Boston Globe
and New York Times.

The Soviet's had Pravda. Who do you think the Soviet's copied?

The Nebraska senator also wanted an updated tally on
the number of US military personnel who had received
Purple Hearts and the dates they were awarded. Six
weeks later, Hagel received the provocative reply: the Department of Defense did not have the requested
information.

http://ithaca.indymedia.org/media/text/00/00/07/E2/

Get rid of the lap-dog officers with holding information from elected representatives of the people..
I don't get how the number of purple hearts awarded can be unavailable

These people maybe speculating baselessly:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=printer_format&om=8080&forum=DCForumID71

maybe not.

As casualties mounted last summer, US military
officials did their best to suppress any discussion of
the wounded total in particular. Only on July 10,
almost four months after the launch of the invasion,
CNN reported that for “the first time since the start of
the war in Iraq, Pentagon officials have released the
number of US troops wounded from the beginning of
the war through Wednesday .”


http://ithaca.indymedia.org/media/text/00/00/07/E2/

"You are right. I had the EXACT same feeling"
Posted by Jacobin on Jul-04-03 at 00:07 AM

These morons are suggesting the Vietnam strategy. I
remember the same bullshit. "we can't leave....light at
the end of the tunnel...just a few more years and body
bags.....we are winning the war.....must have resolve...."

This fucking thing is unwinnable and will continue to
be unwinnable. 35 million people want us to leave their
country.

It won't work.

This is going to be a continuing disaster until we turn
tail and run. I don't care if its Smirk, or Dean, or Kerry
or Lieberman or Edwards... or WinstonFuckingChurchill...
This is a major major major clusterfuck and somebody is
going to have to deal with it realistically, or more people will
die needlessly.

These goddamned morons in congress from BOTH parties
will be the end of this nation.

Pretty much my feeling-032104
James

Those folks have not. I'll stick with the documentation for now, unless you have something else. In either case, 26 out of 29 does not 2 a day make, which was your original claim. I suppose you relinquish that claim after proving yourself wrong?

It was a cursory investigation to find a documented # different
and greater than Lunaville.
And I'll stand by it.

Here's some more info. To tack on to the 26.

Rokke then informed me that, since 1990, and up to
the beginning of Gulf War 2,
some 260,000 US soldiers have been granted disability.
10,000 have died.
http://777-health.members.easyspace.com/poisintro.html

And Gulf War 1 lasted what, a month?

I'm counting everybody who has served in the USMil
and died of injuries susstained in Iraq since 031503.

And

The former colonel (David Hackworth) adds that the
figure "means we’ve lost the equivalent of a fighting
division since March. At least 10 percent of the total
number" of available personnel—135,000—"has
been evacuated back to the USA!"-This was November03.

soldiers are getting "nerve gas" attacks FROM
THE POISON PILLS.

Obviously, such fine polluted powder (DU) will pass through
any mask any soldier is wearing. As we stated in our original article, American
and British soldiers are "the walking dead".

I keep thinking of that naive USsoldier walking
around w/ that chunk of DU hanging from his neck.
If he isn't dead now, he will be within 10 years.

Insurgents Kill Two U.S. Soldiers, Three Iraqis

The Title of the Article says Two US die.
But read into the article and you count three USdie.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4612962

Because the 26 are not documented. The rest of your examples are completed unrelated and irrelevant.

All of the 20 deaths in theater listed by lunaville for February have a corresponding story or press release attached. Each is also named, with unit, hometown, and other identifying characteristics. The website you provide simply has a claim that "One US soldier" was "killed" on a given day. No name, no story or press release, no unit, no hometown, no nothing. Any sane person would think the lunaville numbers more credible until the site you provided gives more information. Actually, it's not even a question of credibility: One provides support for its claims, the other doesn't. Simple as that. So, once again, I'll stick with the 20 unless you have something else to say.

That said, it does not matter in the least bit why you mentioned the 26. The 26 still disputes your earlier claim of 2 a day, which you still haven't provided the slightest bit of substantiation for. I mean, really. Please.

What did I just do?

Are you reading anything that I'm posting.

What has happened to those 8 wounded that I posted
at random from Lunaville. Do you know? No.
One of them is dead. He died in route to MASH.
He died in Baghdad. He's going to die in Landshtul
or in route to Dover.

If he gets to Dover, He'll die in route to Walter Reed.If he gets thru Reed I hope he still feels like living because
he's affected by the Nerve Gas attack pills, plus the
the DU that's everywhere.

We've had over 15000 casualties shipped back
to the US. Col David Hackworth. You think none of them have died?
Lunaville is documenting what the USMIL gives it.
Garbage in/ Gargage out.

By the end of November, Roger Roy in the Orlando
Sentinel could place the number of those “killed,
wounded, injured or...ill enough to require evacuation
from Iraq” at approximately 10,000. Roy noted that such
figures were hard to track, “leading critics to accuse the
military of underreporting casualty numbers.”

Mark Benjamin of United Press International (UPI) has
been one of the more assiduous in pursuing an accurate
total of the number medically evacuated from Iraq. On
December 19, Benjamin reported that in response to a
request from UPI the Pentagon had provided a figure of
nearly 11,000 US wounded and medical evacuations—
2,273 wounded and 8,581 medical evacuations.

Stay with your 577 or 583. But I'm more than happy
to keep posting my sources.

That's like saying:
A weapons firing exercise in Khe Sanh
or Kabul or Beirut.

Samarra is a major Iraqi city. Where in Samarra
can you stage such an exercise?

in the middle of the story there is this:
"Even those who opposed Saddam are uncomfortable with the invasion and extended occupation of Iraq by foreign armies.


Many Iraqis fear daily they will be caught in the crossfire of the conflict between U.S. forces and anti-American insurgents and other shadowy assailants, and said they felt more insecure now than they did before the United States launched military strikes."

Am I over-reacting or has this sort of aside been unusual in reporting these attacks? More cracks in the wall?

"Partisan Attacks Kill 2 Infidel Invaders in Iraq"

By definition, the Iraqis attacking the "coalition" are counter-insurgents.

I don't like that this is happening, but I also wish that the press would call things like they are (yeah, and while I'm at it, I wish I could fly).

But maybe those of us who aren't the media can hammer this point home?

Honestly, an Akron kid was killed Thursday in Iraq. His mom was interviewed on a Cleveland area TV station and said that he was proud to go get the guys that hit the towers, she didn't seem to know any different either.
How could the level of interest and information in this country sink so low? If your kid were there, wouldn't you be reading the news???
Sometimes it's sad, we get what we deserve government-wise, and we who are informed are in the minority. Talk to your neighbors, make them listen!

wanted them to think. I feel sad for how she's going to feel when she finally figures it out.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

In December, Mississippi Democratic congressman Gene Taylor raised the possibility that the Pentagon was deliberately undercounting combat casualties when he brought to light the case of five members of the Mississippi National Guard who were wounded in a booby-trap bomb explosion, but whose injuries were listed as “noncombat” by the military.


http://ithaca.indymedia.org/media/text/00/00/07/E2/

All you need to do in Science is show that one part of
the equation is wrong and the entire equation becomes
wrong.
James