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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:08 PM
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NYT: A Bush Surprise: Fright-Wing Support (Vomit alert - GOPunks)
Edited on Sun Mar-21-04 01:11 PM by kysrsoze
With his mohawk, ratty fatigues, assorted chains and his menagerie of tattoos — swallows on each shoulder, a nautical star on his back and the logo of the Bouncing Souls, a New York City punk band, on his right leg — 22-year-old Nick Rizzuto is the very picture of counterculture alienation. But it's when he talks politics that Mr. Rizzuto sounds like a real radical, for a punk anyway. Mr. Rizzuto is adamantly in favor of lowering taxes and for school vouchers, and against campaign finance laws; his favorite Supreme Court justice is Clarence Thomas; he plans to vote for President Bush in November; and he's hard-core into capitalism.

"Punks will tell me, `Punk and capitalism don't go together,' " Mr. Rizzuto said. "I don't understand where they're coming from. The biggest punk scenes are in capitalist countries like the U.S., Canada and Japan. I haven't heard of any new North Korean punk bands coming out. There's no scene in Iran."

Mr. Rizzuto is the founder of Conservative Punk, one of a handful of Web sites and blogs that have sprung up recently as evidence of a heretofore latent political entity: Republican punks. With names like GOPunk, Anti-Anti-Flag and Punkvoter Lies, the sites are a curious blend of Karl Rove and Johnny Rotten, preaching personal responsibility and reflexive patriotism with the in-your-face zeal of a mosh pit. When he's not banging his head to the Misfits, the Vandals or the Bouncing Souls, for example, Mr. Rizzuto spends his time writing essays denouncing Michael Moore and "left-wing propaganda," and urging other conservative punks to join his cause.



http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/21/fashion/21PUNK.html

OK, this has to be the absolute stupidest thing I've ever seen. Punks FOR the establishment.

:wtf:

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:11 PM
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1. Oh, yeah. Corporate hegemony is SO punk.
Just ask John Lydon, Jello Biafra, Greg Graffin, Ian MacKaye, Bob Mould, D. Boon, Joe Strummer, etc.....

Someone has the wrong idea.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 04:45 AM
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38. ...and I thought Sammy Hagar was the only rock puke
see for yourself...

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=NOVATO&st=CA&contributor=sammy+hagar">Sammy Hagar campaign contributions

Dana Rohrabacher?????
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 05:07 AM
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40. Link's dead (n/t)
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:11 PM
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2. By definition, they aren't "punk."
A pro-establishment punk is not a punk. They're more a "chump."
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:15 PM
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6. Actually, they are, if we are to use Burrough's definition of "punk."
i.e. Someone who "takes it up the ass." Sounds like this dipshit is indeed getting reamed by Bush and lovin' every minute of it.

He's about as punk as Loverboy.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:30 PM
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14. LOL!
"punk as Loverboy"

You're too funny. :hi:
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 04:04 PM
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26. Burroughs didn't coin the term; it's common prison slang
And yeah, these guys would definitely get punked in prison.
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BEZARK Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:13 PM
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3. I find not a thing surprising
. . . about antisocial morons gravitating to the GOP. It's already got all the old Klanners.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:17 PM
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7. A Klansman By Any Other Name?
Actually, this reminds me of "Envrionmentalists" who write books about the fallacy of Climate Change.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:43 PM
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17. Next we'll have..
KKKReggae and FascistHipHoppers.

Have you ever seen the Chapelle show where DC plays a blind Klansman? That's what this reminds me of.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:13 PM
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4. More like psydo punks, what ever happened to the red star
flags down in Philly's punk shopps. I think the Times is just doing what it does best...plays Bush to the masses.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:14 PM
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5. What a rebel
He bows to authority therefore he's a punk. What a bunch of crock.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:18 PM
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8. Punk has always had an element of shock value
But being shockingly idiotic? What a bunch of friggin' dorks. Joe Strummer has got to be rolling over in his grave.

What's next, Goths for George?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:19 PM
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9. Ridiculous.
Why did the NYT even validate this idiot by writing about him?

That's like me calling myself a Republican, even though I'm against 99% of what they stand for.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:21 PM
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10. Maybe they're doing this to get corporate funding?
Think all the way up the corporate food chain - still completely dumb though. Very few will swallow such a load of crap.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:22 PM
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11. There's millions of punks still carrying the torch....
and thousands of great punk bands still making great music. So what does it take to get one of those punks into the NYT? Why, being conservative, of course.

Thank you, New York Times. Your attention-paying skills are duly noted.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 02:04 PM
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20. Spot on
Poseurs. I've met plenty of them.

This defies what punk is in every way.

Stevie D,
Punk since 1977
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:23 PM
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12. Like Skinheads adopting Nazi slogans and symbols.
They're attracted by the fascism.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:25 PM
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13. Exactly - too bad those fucks haven't listened to KMFDM
They might learn something.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:38 PM
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15. Personal responsibility...now there's a GOP characteristic!!
Like most GOPers, this guy is completely into his own personal needs and this is where he directs his muddled thought. His rationale for corporatism...they don't have punk bands coming out of Korea. What a thinker!!
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:42 PM
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16. most young adults rebel against their parents and the ideologies
Edited on Sun Mar-21-04 01:42 PM by tobius
they espouse, this is a natural reaction to the baby boomer generation. many studies have shown that this age group is more conservative than their parents. this a quick ggogle search, I'm sure there are better stories--

Youths more conservative than their elders on issues involving religion and abortion, new UC Berkeley survey reveals http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2002/09/24_youth.html

Nevertheless, on college campuses and in youth-oriented organizations across the United States, the ranks of Christian conservatives are growing. Many say they are inspired - and emboldened - by Bush's example.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democrat/8229915.htm


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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:51 PM
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18. As the Dead Kennedys said twenty years ago...
"Punk ain't no religious cult
Punk means thinking for yourself
You ain't hardcore cos you spike your hair
When a jock still lives inside your head

Nazi punks
Nazi punks
Nazi punks?Fuck Off!

Nazi punks
Nazi punks
Nazi punks?Fuck Off!

If you've come to fight, get outa here
You ain't no better than the bouncers
We ain't trying to be police
When you are the cops it ain't anarchy"

-- "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" (1981)
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 05:09 PM
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31. "You still think swastikas look cool
The real Nazis run your schools
They're coaches, businessmen and cops
In the real Fourth Reich you'll be the first to go!

Nazi Punks
Nazi Punks
Pazi Punks
FUCK OFF!"

Still hard to beat the Dead Kennedys.

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:51 PM
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19. Conservative punks is code talk for SKINHEADS
This will likely backfire on the GOP.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 04:14 PM
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27. My Thoughts
exactly. I'd like to here more about what this guy's actual politics are. Lemme guess - he thinks minorities get all the breaks.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 02:21 AM
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36. Can't wait for the soccer moms to hear them
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 05:13 PM
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33. My first thought exactly. These guys are skinheads.
W will be so proud to have them onboard.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 02:05 PM
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21. idiots
thankfully, all the punk record stores i've been to are chock full of anti-Bush merchandise, and I've see bands advocate voting against him. These idiots are just attention-seekers by claiming to be something that's basically an oxymoron.
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 02:44 PM
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22. Maybe the RNC will invite him to speak at the convention.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 03:27 PM
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23. Not Punk
My children would call them "posers"

They just want to wear the clothes, not rebel against the culture. They are not real punks.

http://www.wgoeshome.com
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 03:39 PM
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24. Hmmmm....
Edited on Sun Mar-21-04 03:42 PM by dawn
I wonder how that punk, with all of his tats, will feel about The GOP and corporate America when he tries to get a job in one of those corporations he so loves??? He'll find it hard to be accepted as a punk in those circles.

What a joke. Misguided people are in every scene...
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 03:56 PM
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25. The old name for GOPunks was "skinheads"
n/t
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 04:21 PM
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28. In high school we called rightist "punks" NAZI SKINHEADS.
Those are what right-wing "punks" are: racists. They are "counterculture," but so were Hitler's brownshirts. They are certainly "alienated": they would be willing fodder for a fascist demagogue. They fit perfectly in the home for the American racist.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 04:57 PM
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29. Nazi punks!
Fuck off!
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 04:59 PM
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30. Fake punks
Probably hired by the GOP.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 05:12 PM
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32. yup
fascist infiltraters
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silverpatronus Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 09:22 PM
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34. 'conservative punk' is an oxymoron...
much like 'black republican' or 'gay republican' or 'female republican'. it's an anomaly. it shouldn't exist, but it does because people are stupid.

'conservative punk' indeed...joey ramone is turning over in his grave.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 09:23 PM
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35. They are returning to their
barbarian roots.

Or maybe just trying to get attention.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 03:38 AM
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37. Bollocks! If this kid is punk, I'm Sid Vicious.
Republicans aren't hip, kids.
(Unless you happen to think Carson Daly is the shit...)

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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 05:06 AM
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39. I bet he couldn't make that Toby Keith twang, so he's doing this. n/t
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