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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:06 PM
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Report: Palin e-mail snooping jury deadlocked (on only one charge)
Source: Computerworld

The Knoxville News Sentinel reported this afternoon that the jury, which is in its third day of deliberations, has deadlocked on the first count, a charge of identity theft.

The jury has reached a verdict on the other three charges -- wire fraud, unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer, and destruction of records to hamper a federal investigation. All but the unlawfully accessing count are felonies under federal law.

Read more: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9176146/Report_Palin_e_mail_snooping_jury_deadlocked?taxonomyId=86



Looks bad.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:16 PM
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1. Who in their right mind would want to steal Palin's identity??
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:18 PM
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2. +1
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:43 PM
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4. Who said he was in his right mind? But she does have several
$M these days which would make an attractive target for those who are in that line of business.

And Tina Fey - are you saying she's crazy?
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:37 PM
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3. these charges are bullshit - I hope it's a hung jury, or complete acquittal (nt)
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:50 PM
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5. It's not going to be
acquittal. The jury has decided on three of the charges, the most bogus one has them deadlocked. The government convicts 95% of the time.


We don't know for sure what the jury decided, but we can take an educated guess.
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bc3000 Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 05:53 PM
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11. No they aren't. He broke the law.
And if it was a young republican that had broken into a democrat's email, people around here would be outraged.

Sure, it sucks for him, but that's the law. Just because it's easy to break in doesn't mean it's any less illegal.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 06:05 PM
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13. Yes, we'd be outraged,
but only a loon would believe he ought to spend decades in jail for it.

Get a grip, no one says the kid shouldn't be punished, but this is unjust.
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 06:48 PM
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16. harmonicon seems to be saying the kid shouldn't be punished.
See post no 3.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 06:27 PM
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14. oh, come on, this is a free yahoo account.
Trying to compare that to an actual political party or corporate email account is silly. Anyone could have set up that account, and anyone can access it from any terminal. Guessing a password to a web-based email account is nothing like breaking in to a private server. The people deciding on the constitutionality of laws in this country recently asked "what's the difference between email and a pager?" (John Roberts), and I'm supposed to have any respect for "the rule of law" in the electronic domain? The people in our government who make and interpret these laws have no fucking idea what they're dealing with - literally, fucking "series of tubes" no idea - so I don't respect them.
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 06:43 PM
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15. Agreed.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 08:59 AM
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26. Just because it's easy to steal something doesn't make it less illegal
It does however make it stupid for the owner--like leaving an expensive next generation iphone on a barstool while you run to the restroom. If you come back and find it's gone, you were foolish for leaving it there, but the person who took it still stole it.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 08:08 PM
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19. Yes, it happened, back in 2004, and we were outraged.
Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 08:09 PM by notadmblnd
When the Democrats computers were hacked back when Bush was pretzledent in 2004. However, I don't recall anyone ever being held accountable for it.

From the spring of 2002 until at least April 2003, members of the GOP committee staff exploited a computer glitch that allowed them to access restricted Democratic communications without a password. Trolling through hundreds of memos, they were able to read talking points and accounts of private meetings discussing which judicial nominees Democrats would fight -- and with what tactics.

http://notes.kateva.org/2004/01/boston-globe-senate-republicans-hack.html
Just because it's easy, doesn't make it any less illegal, right?
Perhaps this guy should suffer the same punishment?
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:52 PM
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20. If he were a young republican
He would have a well connected father who would have made sure that none of these charges ever saw the light of day.
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Raspberry Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 06:14 PM
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23. Um . . .
He DOES have a well-connected father. His father is a state senator or rep or something.

Sorry, this kid needs to have his comeuppance.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:03 PM
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24. Just as soon as the
Psuedopimp acorn guy, the Climate email hackers, and the guys breaking into Landreu's office all get theirs.

Oh.. And the kid who stole all the democratic campaign signs. And the bush twins.

But first, perhaps Vitter, Delay, et al could get their comeuppance.

Or are those all just not as important as one kid who managed to guess the password to Sarah Palins secondary, questionably ethical/legal email, for which you presumably believe that she should also receive comeuppance?



This guy should get the same comeuppance that half the kids in my dorm got when they managed to guess their roommates password and set dwarf porn pictures as their desktops and homepage. Cause this is definitely not worse than that.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:53 PM
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6. Was he offered
A Plea agreement?
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:58 PM
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8. The government's plea offer
reportedly required him to plead guilty to four felonies. He's slightly better off with a conviction on three. He can also appeal this, where a guilty plea is forever.
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:58 PM
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7. Scary stuff
If he's not careful he might come close to doing as much time as you would get for bugging a US Senators office.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:59 PM
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9. THAT'S just silly kid stuff. nt
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 05:48 PM
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10. Identity Theft
Requires intent. This person was only trying to embarrass Palin. I have seen nothing to indicate that this person had the necessary intent. Even if found guilty I would think that this charge could be successfully appealed. The other 3 charges are problematic. While this kid probably knew fully well what he was doing was wrong I'm sure he was not aware of the laws covering his action nor the penalities involved. In fact, he probably saw the other side doing similar things and not getting caught so he thought it was no big deal even though it was wrong. Let's see if this causes O'Keefe and company get their justice.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 06:03 PM
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12. O'Keefe is already off the hook
the felony charge was reduced to a misdemeanor.

This is sicking. He'll spend 10+ years in jail for this harmless stunt, and the guy that broke into my neighbor's house, while my neighbor was home, who pages of priors, will get less than a year. Who is the greater threat to society? Why would we waste money on this excessive prosecution?

To add insult to injury, Sarah Palin and her daughter lied, or exaggerated, the extent of the inconvenience this intrusion caused them to prove an element of the crime. Shameful.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 06:51 PM
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17. I think the intent
Part goes to his statement that he was trying to derail her candidacy.

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 06:55 PM
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18. His intent was to show she was using the
unsecure yahoo account for state business in order to avoid state disclosure laws. She was doing that, but because she's special, there aren't consequences.
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:56 PM
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21. I work at the News Sentinel.
We really hope they reach a verdict tomorrow. We had expected it today and had to change our A1 plans.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 10:20 PM
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22. It sounds like you can safely prepare
your headlines.

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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 10:53 PM
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25. here's a story from 08 with screenshots & info about destroying evidence
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 10:57 PM by wordpix
is that part of this trial, that Sarah apparently destroyed all evidence?
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