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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 12:45 PM
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'Taliban Commander' Claims Responsibility for Failed Times Square Attack
Edited on Sun May-02-10 12:59 PM by Robb
Source: MEMRI

A jihadist internet forum reports that Qari Hussain Mehsud, a key leader of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP, or the Movement of Pakistani Taliban) and a close lieutenant of TTP leader Hakimullah Mehsud, has claimed responsibility for the New York's Times Square failed car bomb plot.

Read more: http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4129.htm



Nothing more at that link. Anyone can claim anything at this point.

Edited to add: Blogs at the http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2010/05/bomb_times_square">Economist picked this up, as did http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2010/05/pakistani_taliban_cl.php">Long War Journal.

Edited again to add: Reuters http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE64125320100502
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 12:47 PM
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1. Bullshit. They would have done it right. That bomb was made by some loser wannabe.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 12:48 PM
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2. exactly. these guys build roadside bombs daily. they don't build black powder duds.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 12:52 PM
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3. Unless the tape predates the "attack."
We'll see, of course. I just posts 'em, I don't writes 'em. :D
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:01 PM
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6. It seems pretty much an amateur job
Either someone didn't know what they were doing, or they mostly wanted a big show.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:18 PM
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24. The problem could be the shrinking of the talent pool.
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whereaminow Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:00 PM
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23. They have to make the claim
If they want to get paid.. You don't think they do this for free, do you? No sir. The closer you make it to the front page, the more you can claim. Now.. The guy who actually gets paid is the one who did it.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:05 PM
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25. They've lost their street cred since the exploding panties shtick
I agree it's amateurish, but their record is increasingly so.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:23 PM
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33. That's fine with me.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 11:01 PM
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45. Excellent point.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 12:56 PM
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4. Just got a news alert on my phone from AP
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:01 PM
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5. oh please these guys build bombs that can blow up a tank and can be ...
.... exploded remotely by a cell phone, wire, or radio signal they don't use firecrackers as primers.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:04 PM
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7. BS ... but $20 says it was someone connected to Pakistan. n/t
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:29 PM
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14. $20 says it was some moron domestic amateur
As one of the other comments upthread says, if it was the Taliban they would have done it "right."
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memberme Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 04:04 PM
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36. maybe/maybe not
In all candor what does an IED in iraq consist of? And are these parts readily available in NYC? I'd say not. I don't think the tp's would gain anything from this, loner, maybe.

Recall T. Mcveigh used fertilizer and fuel - not much different than what is used in surface mining blasting.

At any rate he/they will be caught and thank goodness it didn't work.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:17 PM
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8. Wow. I guess they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for recruitment these days
What's the world coming to when terrorist organizations can't even recruit competent car-bombers anymore. :shrug:
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memberme Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:07 PM
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26. even terrorist have quality control issues :)
Maybe is was a new franchise of the Taliban, and the only guy on call was a newbie.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:20 PM
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9. It looks like the handiwork of an amateur rather than someone trained in AfPak
Perhaps one of our rightwing extremist groups, a teabagger perhaps?
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:22 PM
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10. If that's the case, it spells the end of teabaggery.
My kingdom for a clear security cam shot of the perp.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:30 PM
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15. If it was one of them they'd saint the guy, probably. (nt)
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:50 PM
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21. That was my first thought - like the Texas guy arrested last week
for threatening Obama-middle aged, lived with mom, didn't even have a gun...or the asshole "christian militia" in Michigan who didn't even get out the door before they got arrested.
If this is the right wing revolution, they are not starting out very well...

mark
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:23 PM
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11. Nah, these guys would've done it right
Most likely some idiot teabagger redneck.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:25 PM
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12. hmmm--did Pakistan finally find a local gullible enough to do their bidding? Or is this an FBI sting
like the Al Qaeda New York groups they've previously "discovered?" (Thus the utter lameness of the attack)

All this terror intrigue would be hilarious if it weren't so dangerous.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:26 PM
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13. The bomber forgot to follow rule No. One:
"A neat charge is a happy charge."

Chester S.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:39 PM
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16. All I have to say ......
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:43 PM
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17. Dude. Wake up your PR wonk. Taking "credit" for a failure is...
...um... let's just say that if you want yer terrist organization to be bad & scary & stuff, wavin' yer hand and hollerin' "Me, me!! I did that! I'm totally incompetent and proud of it!" is the wrong way to go.

And taking credit for someone ELSE's incompetence... (which I suspect looked like a good idea at the time, but dude, put the hash pipe down, seriously,) ...well, the only ones that's likely to impress are those who think Fox provides "News."

So do yer holy movement a favor and getcherself some expert advice on PR. It's worth the investment. Promise.

Besides, there are definitely plenty of PR whores who will happily fit you up with a big impressive campaign for a line on some of that primo hash yer smokin'. You can get in touch with them through the RNC.

helpfully,
Bright
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:41 PM
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35. Too much advance time, perhaps.
SITE and LWJ both report the YouTube channel was started April 30. Nothing was posted until this, it was likely pre-recorded with the assumption it would work.
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Quasimodem Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:45 PM
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18. I assumed domestic terrorist.
A foreign terrorist would have stayed inside the SUV to make certain it went off properly.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:46 PM
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19. Now there's a real genius...
a failed bomb, and this moron "claims credit"...:rofl:

My hat is off to the individual that alerted the NYPD, the first responders who dealt with this, and the good people of NYC who took it all in stride, no doubt saying things like:

"You call that a bomb! I got your bomb right here!"

"Damn...some bomb, I blew up bigger than that when the damn Red Sox won the Series!"

"What? That's the best you can do! Damn, I got more than that in a fart!"

"Come on Sal, McGinty's is just down the block, dis ain't nuttin. Let's have a beer and watch the Yankees kick the White Sox's asses"


Being born a NY'er, I can see everyone coming out to see what the fuss is, no fear, just curiosity and a LOT of jokes about stupid people...:rofl:


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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:48 PM
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20. Success has many parents; failure is an orphan. Guess the Taliban never heard that one?
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whereaminow Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:55 PM
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22. I love this stuff
It all makes Bin Laden's "confession" sound so... believable.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:18 PM
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27. Pakistani Taliban Claims NYC Car Bomb
Edited on Sun May-02-10 03:16 PM by tekisui
Source: Associated Press

CAIRO — The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility in a video released Sunday for the attempted car bomb attack in New York City's Times Square.

In the 1 minute, 11 second video allegedly released by the Pakistani Taliban, the group says the attack is revenge for the death of its leader, Baitullah Mehsud, and the recent slaying of the leaders of al-Qaida in Iraq — Abu Omar al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri — who were killed by U.S. and Iraqi troops last month north of Baghdad.

Despite the claim of responsibility, New York City's police commissioner said there's no evidence of a Taliban link to the failed car bomb.

On the tape, an unidentified voice speaking in Urdu, the primary language in Pakistan, also says the attack comes in response to American "interference and terrorism in Muslim Countries, especially in Pakistan for (the) Lalmasjid operation," a reference to the Pakistani army's 2007 storming of the Red Mosque in Islamabad where militants were holed up inside.

If the claim of responsibility is genuine, it would be the first time the group has struck outside of South Asia. It was no known global infrastructure like al-Qaida. In at least one past instance, the Pakistani Taliban has claimed responsibility for an attack it played no role in.

The claim, which was posted on militant websites and uncovered by the U.S-based SITE Intelligence Group, could not be immediately confirmed. The video makes no specific reference to Saturday's failed attack in New York, does not mention the attack's location or that it was a car bomb.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hvkQCyOOEuuk_Hdfq1j5lzGCEgXQD9FETHMG0



Not sure about this.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:18 PM
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28. ...
:rofl:
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:18 PM
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29. The Taliban is taking credit for failbomb?
well, if they really want to, more power to 'em, I guess. Weirdos.
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:18 PM
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30. already dismissed...police looking for white male 40's seen fleeing on video
x.x.x.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:18 PM
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31. Thanks. I just came across this, saying the same:
No evidence to back Taliban claim to NY bomb: police

NEW YORK — There is no proof to back a claim by a Pakistani Taliban group that it was responsible for a car bomb attempt in New York's Times Square, city police chief Raymond Kelly said Sunday.

"Although a Taliban bomb maker has claimed on the Internet... we have no evidence to support this claim," Kelly told journalists the day after the failed bomb was found.

An Internet video purportedly from the Tarik-e-Taliban group claimed responsibility, the US monitoring service SITE said.

Posted on YouTube, the video said the attempted bombing was to avenge the recent killing of two top Al-Qaeda leaders in Iraq and US drone strikes in Pakistan, SITE said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jY-cVmhv8cdq8fDDUwJLyPrQuYDA
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:21 PM
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32. Looks like they caught the perpetrator... !!!
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:32 PM
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34. I wouldn't call Kelly's statement a "dismissal" at all.
Kelly is still guessing, like we all are.

...But New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said there was “no evidence” to support the Taliban’s claim and no way of knowing right now whether there were links to Islamist groups or to a domestic cause in the United States.

Kelly said a white man in his 40s had been identified in security footage and was seen removing a dark shirt to reveal a red shirt about half a block from where the vehicle was left. He said it was unclear if this was related to the car bomb....
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 06:56 PM
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37. This is bullshit, and Memri is a garbage information source. nt
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 07:00 PM
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38. Please do elaborate.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 07:02 PM
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39. Memri is founded by an ExMossad, who's only mission is to promote stories that make Muslims look bad
Edited on Sun May-02-10 07:03 PM by Arrowhead2k1
Controversy
MEMRI's work has been attacked on three grounds: that their work is biased; that they choose articles to translate selectively so as to give an unrepresentative view of the media they are reporting on; and that their translations are sometimes inaccurate.<11> MEMRI has responded to the attacks of critics, stating that their work is not biased; that they in fact choose representative articles from the Arab media that accurately reflect the opinions expressed, and that their translations are highly accurate.<11>

Claims of bias
Brian Whitaker, the Middle East editor for the Guardian newspaper in the United Kingdom, has been one of the most outspoken critics of MEMRI, writing: "My problem with Memri is that it poses as a research institute when it's basically a propaganda operation,"<11> to "further the political agenda of Israel."<1> Whitaker has also complained that "MEMRI's website does not mention you or your work for Israeli intelligence. Nor does it mention MEMRI's co-founder, Meyrav Wurmser, and her extreme brand of Zionism.... Given your political background, it's legitimate to ask whether MEMRI is a trustworthy vehicle."<11>

In response, MEMRI President Yigal Carmon, states: "You are right: we do have an agenda. As an institute of research, we want MEMRI to present translations to people who wish to be informed on the ideas circulating in the Middle East. We aim to reflect reality. If knowledge of this reality should benefit one side or another, then so be it."<11>

Claims of selectivity
Several critics have accused MEMRI of selectivity. They state that MEMRI consistently picks for translation and dissemination the most extreme views, which portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light, while ignoring moderate views that are often found in the same media outlets.<1><2><2><34><35> According to Juan Cole, Professor of Modern Middle East History at the University of Michigan, MEMRI has a tendency to "cleverly cherry-pick the vast Arabic press, which serves 300 million people, for the most extreme and objectionable articles and editorials" <36> Laila Lalami, writing in The Nation, states that MEMRI "consistently picks the most violent, hateful rubbish it can find, translates it and distributes it in e-mail newsletters to media and members of Congress in Washington".<2> As a result, critics such as Ken Livingstone state, MEMRI's analyses are "distortion."<37><38><39>

Claims of translation inaccuracy
See also: Tomorrow's Pioneers#Translation controversy
The accuracy of MEMRI's translations is sometimes disputed,<40> as in the case of MEMRI's translation of a 2004 Osama bin Laden video, which MEMRI defended.<11><38><41><42><43> Norman Finkelstein, in an interview with the Muslim newspaper In Focus said MEMRI "uses the same sort of propaganda techniques as the Nazis... t’s a reliable assumption that anything MEMRI translates from the Middle East is going to be unreliable."<44>

In 2007, CNN correspondent Atika Shubert and Arabic translators accused MEMRI of mistranslating portions of a Palestinian children's television programme.

"Media watchdog MEMRI translates one caller as saying - quote - 'We will annihilate the Jews,"' said Shubert. "But, according to several Arabic speakers used by CNN, the caller actually says 'The Jews are killing us."' <45>

Several commentators, such as CNN's Arabic department, have claimed that the transcript of the April 13 show (2007) provided by MEMRI contains numerous translation errors and undue emphases. Brian Whitaker, the Middle East editor for the Guardian newspaper (UK), wrote in a blog for the newspaper that in the translation of the video, showing Farfour eliciting political comments from a young girl named Sanabel, the MEMRI transcript misrepresents the segment, by attributing a sentence said by Farfour, ("I'll shoot"), to the child, and ignoring the child's statement ("I'm going to draw a picture").<46>

Whitaker further criticized MEMRI's translation. He and others commented that a statement uttered by the same child, ("We're going to resist"), had been given an unduly aggressive interpretation by MEMRI as ("We want to fight"). Also, where MEMRI translated the girl as saying the highly controversial remark ("We will annihilate the Jews"), Whitaker and others, including Arabic speakers used by CNN, insist that based on careful listening to the low quality video clip, the girl is variously interpreted as saying, "The Jews shoot[] us"<46> or "The Jews are killing us."<47> Other sources have also pointed out that MEMRI's translation "I will commit martyrdom" should more accurately have been "I'll become a martyr" – a passive statement rather than an active/aggressive threat.<48>

MEMRI defends their translation of the show, Yigal Carmon, founder and President of MEMRI declared, "Yes, we stand by the translation by the very words, by the context, by the syntax, and every measure of the translation."<47>

---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memri
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 07:07 PM
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40. Perhaps. It's a tad on the thin side.
But to be fair it turns out they were not first on the story, nor has it needed any correction.

The video was in fact released, and says everything they said it did. Several blogs captured it before YouTube pulled it. :shrug:
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 07:16 PM
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41. ROFLOL
Is Adam Yahiye Gadahn –

Oops... Abu Suhayb, or perhaps Yihya Majadin Adams…

nay that ain’t right.

– yea got it "Adam Pearlmen"!

Is he claiming responsibility?

For some bottle rockets and a couple of propane cylinders.


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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 07:29 PM
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42. Wrong country.
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 07:35 PM
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43. What’s ‘ol Adam doin these days?
I misplace my track now & again.

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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:18 PM
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44. Wow. What do the kids in the PNAC Gallery say? n/t.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 07:30 AM
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46. Pakistan's Taliban Leader Warns of Attacks on U.S. in Video
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/05/02/bloomberg1376-L1TWKA0YHQ0X-5.DTL">Pakistan's Taliban Leader Warns of Attacks on U.S. in Video

May 3 (Bloomberg) -- Hakimullah Mehsud, the titular leader of Pakistan's Tehreek-e-Taliban movement, vowed in a video message that his group will attack major U.S. cities, according to a Washington-area organization that monitors Islamic militant websites.

Mehsud appears in a nine-minute video "alleged to have been recorded on April 4, 2010," the SITE Intelligence Group, based in Bethesda, Maryland, said a statement. It was found less than 24 hours after another Tehreek-e-Taliban video claimed responsibility for the attempted weekend car bomb attack in New York City's Times Square.

The latest video was the first purported appearance of Mehsud since January, when Pakistani media reports cited officials in the country as saying he may have been killed in a U.S. missile attack. The video "bears the mark of Umar Studio, the TTP's media arm," said the statement on SITE's main Web page, using the acronym for Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, the Urdu-language name of the Taliban movement in the country.

"In the video, Mehsud states that the TTP will within a month retaliate against the United States in the country itself for having 'martyred many of our great muslim Leaders, i.e., Baitullah Mehsud,'" SITE said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/05/02/bloomberg1376-L1TWKA0YHQ0X-5.DTL#ixzz0mrvjCehx
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:35 AM
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47. Eh. Worth a kick. nt
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 12:45 PM
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48. Tit for tat. We bomb them, they bomb us.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 01:08 PM
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49. Wrong
This was an American citzen. He's looking to bomb his own country.
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