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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:19 AM
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BP: Oil rig leak 'wasn't our accident'
Source: MSNBC

CEO to NBC: We'll clean it up, but rig was run by Transocean

NEW ORLEANS - Facing an unprecedented Gulf Coast environmental disaster, not to mention lawsuits, oil giant BP told NBC on Monday that while it was taking responsibility for cleaning up the giant undersea leak, the accident that triggered the disaster was not its fault.

"It wasn't our accident, but we are absolutely responsible for the oil, for cleaning it up, and that's what we intend to do," BP Group CEO Tony Hayward told NBC's "TODAY" show.

The rig that exploded on April 20 and then sank was run by another company, Transocean, he reminded viewers. That rig, he said, "was run by their people, their processes."

Hayward added that the failure of the rig's "blow-out preventer" — a device that should have shut off the well when the rig exploded and sank — was "unprecedented in our industry."

"What has failed here is the ultimate safety device on a drilling rig," he said. "There are many barriers of protection that you have to go to before you get to this. It isn't designed to not fail."

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36912754/ns/us_news-environment/
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:21 AM
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1. Yeah, those fucking oil rig gremlins are at it again. nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:21 AM
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2. There's plenty of fault to fail.
But BP is full of bullshit. "Not our accident" is code for "we're going to fight every single goddamn claim in court!".
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:22 AM
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3. Just like the kid who broke the window - I didn't do it!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 07:01 PM
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45. Now, now, BP didn't throw the rock through the window -
they just paid the kid to stand there and hold a rock.....
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:22 AM
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4. Bullshit.
n/t
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:23 AM
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5. "It isn't designed to not fail" = It is designed to fail
I hope that was just a typo.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:34 AM
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22. Was going to post the same thing.

Aren't double negatives fun? :evilgrin:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:58 AM
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29. I noticed that... I thought the Brits spoke English better than we do.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 06:43 PM
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44. They could not say that it is not designed to not succeed, because...
That would bring light to the more expensive shut-off they lobbied not to use.

Better to misstate the fact, than bring light to the misstep.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:23 AM
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6. That buck is going to be passed around so
often it will never find a home!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:25 AM
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7. It will rest on the shells of the dead turtles
all their fault, donchaknow.
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Iliyah Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:32 AM
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9. not a surprise
when I heard that on the news that BP said the leak was not their fault. Ding ding ding, plausible deniability. This will be their defense and the strong possibility that they will cross-complaint against other companies such as Halliburton (sp?).
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:28 AM
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8. What no mention of Halliburton?
Fuck you BP! Pay with your last fucking nickle!
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:33 AM
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10. So who owns Transocean, and how many other BP rigs are run by them?
Just asking.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:44 AM
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13. I was just wondering that.
Edited on Mon May-03-10 10:46 AM by glitch
Here's their management and board anyway,
http://www.deepwater.com/fw/main/Our-Management-7.html
Board of Directors

Robert E. Rose Chairman of the Board of Transocean Ltd.

Edward R. Muller Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Mirant Corporation
W. Richard Anderson Former President and Chief Executive Officer of Prime Natural Resources, Inc.

Robert M. Sprague Retired Royal Dutch/Shell Executive
Thomas W. Cason
Former Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Baker Hughes Incorporated

Ian C. StrachanFormer Chairman
Instinet Group Incorporated

Victor E. GrijalvaRetired Vice Chairman of the Board
Schlumberger Limited

J. Michael TalbertFormer Chairman
Transocean Inc.
Richard L. George President and Chief Executive Officer
Suncor Energy Inc.

John L. Whitmire Chairman of the Board of Directors of CONSOL Energy Inc. and CONSOL Inc
Martin B. McNamara Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, LLP

Be sure and check out their company history http://www.deepwater.com/fw/main/Our-History-3.html
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:59 AM
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30. And do they just let Transocean do as they please without checking up on them?
Just asking.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:38 PM
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38. Yes. Apparently the rig is international, thus NOT regulated by USA.
No inspectors allowed.
Headquarters in Switzerland ( tho originally a Birmingham Al. company, years back)

Off the 20 mile limit, too, I think?????? Gotta check that one, but I had heard....

didja know there are something like 30,000 wells in the Gulf.?
some active, some capped, waiting to be active when prices justify it.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:37 AM
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11. Halliburton in spotlight in gulf spill probe
Edited on Mon May-03-10 10:38 AM by Ian David
Halliburton in spotlight in gulf spill probe

Investigators look at the company’s role in cementing the deepwater drill hole in the Gulf of Mexico. Transocean and BP also face questioning.

May 01, 2010|By Margot Roosevelt, Los Angeles Times

Investigators delving into the causes of the massive gulf oil spill are examining the role of Houston-based Halliburton Co., the giant energy services company that was responsible for cementing the deepwater drill hole, as well as the possible failure of equipment leased to British Petroleum.

Two members of Congress, Reps. Henry A. Waxman (D-Beverly Hills) and Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), called on Halliburton on Friday to provide all documents relating to "the possibility or risk of an explosion or blowout at the Deepwater Horizon rig and the status, adequacy, quality, monitoring, and inspection of the cementing work" by May 7.

Halliburton Chief Executive David Lesar is scheduled to testify before Waxman's energy and commerce committee on May 12, along with top executives Lamar McKay of BP America Inc. and Steve Newman of Transocean Ltd., which leased the drilling rig to BP.

More:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/01/nation/la-na-oil-spill-investigation-20100501


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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:48 AM
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25. They are the real criminals here. They too should share the blame.
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jxnmsdemguy65 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:37 AM
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12. I read this on a right wing Louisiana site called 'The Dead Pelican'
http://www.helium.com/items/1822086-possible-north-korean-attack-on-deepwater-horizon-oil-rig

What are y'all's thoughts? Any credibility to this?

My sense is that it is a piece put out by South Korean intelligence to try to pin the blame on North Korea, but who knows?

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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:43 AM
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24. They don't make any substantive statement. Just a headline to nowhere,
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jxnmsdemguy65 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:52 AM
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26. The discussion of possible NK subs doesn't start until end of page 2...
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:38 PM
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37. Not really sure what to make of it.
Edited on Mon May-03-10 12:52 PM by icymist
From the article:
<snip>
Although NKorea's population is near starvation—only the leaders, bureaucrats and one million man army is well-fed and clothed—China provides some meager subsistence in the form of food and oil. But the Chinese have been playing the West against its puppet state and has been utilizing the Korean Peninsula and especially their NKorean allies as both political and military destabilizing factors.

It's interesting that Kim Jong Ill is visiting China today. I suppose that NKorea could be using a submarine and they have stated that they are still at war with the USA. We can thank Dimson 'W' for all the saber ratteling 'Axis of Evil' shit if that's the case.

On a second look at this article....I don't like how it's written:
<snip>
Now as SKorea vows retaliation for NKorea's act of war, evidence has surfaced that NKorea may have deployed the same type of armed military submersible against Deepwater Horizon.

Facts have also emerged that Hyandai Heavy Industries of Seoul, South Korea built the rig at a cost of $1 billion and despite insurance may have to write off significant losses. The oil rig explosion also has repercussions for the SKorean economy.

So with one attack, NKorea could have dealt a serious blow to two of its greatest enemies.

According to some reports, suspicion has fallen on a NKorean merchant vessel, the Dai Hong Dan, that left a port in Cuba the night of April 18th. The merchant vessel is the class of ship that intelligence agencies have long known can be fitted for—and has carried in the past—NKorea's two-man mini-submarines.

I'd like to know what evidence, what facts, what reports? This thing reads like a spy novel.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:48 AM
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14. Maxim of the '90s is still in full force: It's not my fault!
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:54 AM
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15. This reminds me of a story about my brother when he was in preschool and my mom was getting
him ready for his bath.

When he pulled off his underoos my mom yelled. Boy what is that shit doing in your pants. He was like I didn't do that.
She was like did you pull off your underwear and let some other kid shit in them?

Basically BP is saying that they pulled of their drawers and let some other kid shit in them.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:56 AM
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16. failure of the rig's blow-out preventer was "unprecedented in our industry." Really??
I thought this same accident happened not long ago in Australia. Am I misinformed?

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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:56 AM
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28. Been a few more than that:
http://www.sintef.no/Home/Technology-and-Society/Safety-Research/Projects/SINTEF-Offshore-Blowout-Database/

SINTEF Offshore Blowout Database
is a comprehensive event database for blowout risk assessment. The database includes information on 573 offshore blowouts/well releases that have occurred world-wide since 1955 and overall exposure data from the US Gulf of Mexico, Outer Continental Shelf and the North Sea. The blowouts/well releases are categorized in several parameters, emphasizing blowout causes. A user-friendly interface allows for customized search patterns.



Details at link.....
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:42 PM
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39. Ohhh..YOU get the award for database finding of the week.
I love databases.
This is a great one.

Bowing in reverence to you......
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 10:59 AM
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17. Hiding behind outsourcing is not a excuse. Who was it who choose these incompetent boobs?
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:02 AM
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18. If I rent a car from a company and then
smash that fucker into you, it's my fault, not acme rent a car.


If I rent a wrecking ball and driver for a day and have it knock down your house, then it's my fault, not the owner operator of the equipment.


Fuck BP and their shifting of the blame for the failure of this rig.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:05 AM
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19. Okay, okay. I admit it. I did it.
So, I'm responsible for the clean-up. Where's a bucket and mop?


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Beavker Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:13 AM
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20. This is how these guys operate
Their are so many nuances and people involved, no one really ever takes responsibility. It's akin to the shell companies that these turd suckers create to avoid prosecution. The shell goes down, not the company itself.

Capitalism is exposed, and with these guys, you combine their Wall Street connections with their environmental consequences, and they are in need of extermination. Before it happens to the rest of us (not to mention the other of God's more innocent creatures that have, and will soon, be killed again by his favorite debacle, Humans, and their unending greed, stupidity and lack of respect for anything else.
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riskpeace Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:30 AM
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21. WTF BP?!
Not their accident? Like it's just a fender-bender or something.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:37 AM
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23. So they let Moe, Larry and Curly run the rig and they see nothing wrong.
I would think an environmentally aware company goes a few steps further before handing out the rights to rig it.

BP this Century's worst person in the world!
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 11:53 AM
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27. Transocean was hired by BP.
If BP didn't like or trust their processes, they could have insisted on different ones. BP was responsible for signing the contract with Transocean and blessing all the processes and safeguards. Therefore, yes, it was BP's accident.
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tbredbeck Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:03 PM
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31. Lots of causes of accident, but BP is the operator.
They can try to spin this any way they want, but ultimately BP is the operator and owner of the well. The operator sets the tone for safety and approves all well operations and is responsible (with the driller) for ensuring safe operations.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:17 PM
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32. BP is actually the lessee of the well.
As far as I'm aware the lessor / owner is the US Government.
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tbredbeck Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:37 PM
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36. that's not my understanding
Oil companies lease the "land" but the wells themselves belong to the operators.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:55 PM
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40. Same difference
:shrug:
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:19 PM
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33. "It isn't designed to not fail."
First, there's the double negative which makes the meaning backwards -- obviously he meant to say "It isn't designed to fail."

Second, it is reminiscent of another famous disaster. The Titanic wasn't designed to sink; in fact it was designed to be unsinkable. The hubris of the ship's owners was to assume that because it was *designed* to be unsinkable, that it really *was* unsinkable. So they didn't provide enough lifeboats for all of the passengers. Why bother? Why go to the expense? It wasn't going to sink anyway.

Fast forward to the present disaster. The acoustic shutoff mechanism that would have cost $500K, was not installed, because the failsafe mechanism already in place "couldn't fail".

Er, yeah.

Hubris. Nemesis.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:22 PM
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34. In the end they all share blame but BP is responsible for the damage.
I would imagine they have the option to go after Transocean, Cameron International Corp (BOP manufacturer), and Halliburton in court to help offset their losses. However, in the end they're the ones responsible for the clean up.

This part from the his statement makes me curious:

The company posted a fact sheet on its Web site saying it took responsibility for the response to the Deepwater Horizon spill and would pay compensation for legitimate claims for property damage, personal injury and commercial losses.


I doubt that, but I do find myself wondering if this could open them up (legally speaking) for more liability then the 75 million in compensation they're legally liable for?

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 02:09 PM
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43. They may have meant
Edited on Mon May-03-10 02:10 PM by dipsydoodle
exactly what they said "legitimate claims" - not some of the pumped up airy fairy levels of damages for which US courts seem to be famous. In other words compensation for genuine loss.
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:31 PM
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35. NEVER BELIEVE ANYTHING UNTIL IT'S BEEN "OFFICIALLY" DENIED!
And BP just "officially" denied their responsibility for the catastrophe.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 01:04 PM
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41. Like a murderer blaming Smith&Wesson.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 01:54 PM
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42. Accidents happen. That is why redundancy methods are needed. Fools. eom
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 08:03 PM
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46. They're all responsible...
Edited on Mon May-03-10 08:03 PM by MellowDem
though Transocean may indeed be the most directly responsible, and BP will likely sue them for all they are worth to compensate for the cost of the cleanup. Them and Hallibutron, and Cameron whatever.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:14 PM
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47. According to this
the issue , in some respects , might revolve around whether or not gross negligence can be proven against Transocean.

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?dsid=2541&dekey=1&company_name=Transocean+Ltd&id={172BE5E4-07BD-48A4-A15F-1D583633B23D}
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