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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 10:37 AM
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'Painter of Light' Kinkade in a dark spot with DUI arrest, bankruptcy case
Source: The Modesto Bee

The painter of light is having a dark period.
Thomas Kinkade, the Placerville native who became one of the world's wealthiest artists with his sentimental landscapes and Christian motifs, has had a string of legal troubles.
His company owes millions of dollars to art gallery owners who successfully pressed fraud claims.

Read more: http://www.modbee.com/2010/06/15/1209920/painter-of-light-kinkade-in-a.html



Heh. Who would have thunk it?
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 10:56 AM
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1. WOW - interesting followup and details Recommended N/T
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European Historian Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:00 AM
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2. His greater crime as an artist
was being a hack.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:09 AM
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4. Worse than a hack, a fraud
Producing calendar art for white trash with money really isn't a crime, lots of people out there do it. What Kinkade did is churn out prints of the originals, stick a few blobs of extra paint here and there, and market those prints as original paintings.

Saccharine stuff sells. It always has and always will and who's to say it's inferior to meaningless postmodern stuff that just takes up wall space in huge corporate lobbies? While I don't line my walls with the equivalent of cotton candy, a lot of people really do love the stuff. It makes them feel good.

However, he's the first person to have blurred that line between original painting and cheap prints and done it successfully. The effect was to cheapen the former, and that is his true crime.

Bankruptcy and disgrace are too good for this fraud.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:28 AM
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7. Worse than a fraud
a hack. Really, guys like Kinkade cheapen the whole idea of art, and that's a terrible thing. Art is art and kitsch is kitsch, and they're not at all the same thing. Guys like Kinkade who try to claim that their particular kitsch is art deserve what's coming to them, and then some. That said, the whole Kinkade phenomenon is a wonderful and telling commentary on the American psyche.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:34 AM
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8. I once dated a girl whose parents collected his stuff
When they found out that I did art, they had to show me each and every painting they bought. they must have had 40 of his pieces. It took all my self control to keep my lips sealed.

Even worse, when I found out that they had thoroughly confused and warped the brain of their daughter, well, that was that. All for the best, I think.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:24 AM
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27. Did they show off their Velvet Elvis collection, too??????
:rofl:
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:04 AM
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31. You just made Clement Greenberg smile!
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 04:26 PM
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19. Despite the hackneyed content, I'm told he uses a special medium
to give his colors an extra glow. IIRC, it's a trade secret and he doesn't give out the formula. That kind of innovation should be admired at least.

Hey, perhaps his creditors can seize the formula as part of the bankruptcy proceeding? It's his single greatest asset, the one thing that justifies that whole trademarked "Painter of Light" crap.

Wait, they can also seize the trademark! Oh, this gets better and better!
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:01 AM
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3. Painter of shite. nt
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:32 AM
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28. T'hee--brilliant!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:17 AM
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5. Holy moly! I thought he was just a local.
"The company owes 1,000 to 5,000 creditors a total of $10 million to $50 million, according to court documents.

A list of creditors more than 100 pages long was appended to the bankruptcy filing."

And I thought I had money problems.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:23 AM
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6. Give him a break. It was probably Holy wine. n/t
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:24 AM
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26. No it was holy WHINE...
Really, this guy brought tackiness to a whole new level... :rofl:
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:36 AM
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9. Here's hoping he can get things straightened out.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:39 AM
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10. fraud is a crime, being tacky ain't a crime
the fraud should receive jail time, i'm tired of art fraud being treated as a joke

in the new orleans area we had something similar but smaller time -- a woman and son selling factory produced crap w. a few daubs splashed on ea. one by some chinese artist, then labeled as "original art" by new orleans artist, sold for up to $4K apiece -- they were prosecuted as criminals, not in civil court, as indeed they should be

taking thousands of dollars -- in kincade's case, MILLIONS of dollars -- for work you did not do is the crime of fraud and it needs to be vigorously prosecuted

a mass produced work is not an original work and to pretend it is -- that's just theft and fraud

i say put him in jail and not just for the DUI
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:54 AM
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11. The fraud is that he passes off his paintings as art.
Of course the gallery owners are complicit in that.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:08 PM
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12. well if they "successfully" pressed fraud claims, they weren't complicit, they were cheated
it seems to me these gallery owners are saying they did NOT know the paintings were not as described

i'm sure any gallery owner with eyes in his head knew the paintings were tacky, but it doesn't follow that he knew that a painting described by the artist as an original was in fact a mass production with a few daubs splashed on it

in the new orleans case described in my previous post, the gallery owners not only knew but commissioned (in china) the fraudulent paintings, so they had reason to know they were mass productions, they'd hired it done

it SOUNDS like these gallery owners were approached by kincade and told that the paintings were originally and only kincade and kincade's assistants knew they were actually frauds

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:27 PM
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15. the gallery owners knew
the claims were fraudulent. No reputable gallery dealer would be involved--he had his preferred outlets. Of course they knew, but now they pretend. They were complicit.

I'm really surprised he hasn't been prosecuted for a criminal scam. These paintings Kincade got thousands for have no such value. They are basically trash, as far as art value is concerned.

If he's bankrupt, I'm gonna celebrate that.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:40 PM
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24. ok i'll accept that answer
i don't know enough abt that kind of art marketing to have an opinion

anyone who knew the paintings were frauds should be in CRIMINAL court, from kincade on down
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:21 PM
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14. Absolutely fraudulent
Really should be illegal--people have been duped out of millions upon millions thinking that his art has "value."
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:11 PM
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13. No discussion of Kinkade is complete without:
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 12:11 PM by hedgehog
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:37 PM
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16. I put Kinkade "paintings" in the same category as Franklin Mint "collectibles" and velvet Elvis
"paintings."

Mass produced junk.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 05:39 PM
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21. Franklin Mint....
excellent comparison
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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:45 PM
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17. Oh!
After hearing all your opinions here I will no longer think his work is pretty.

















































:snark:
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:15 PM
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18. When I learned that Conservapedia glamorized this joke of an "artist"
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 05:38 PM
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20. One of the Tackiest Artists of all time
his stuff is grossly over-rated
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 06:11 PM
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22. a company that produced f-art was outsourcing the work!
Satterfield said reorganization under bankruptcy laws was needed because outsourcing had left the company with a fraction of its former work force but still holding long-term leases.

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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:36 PM
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23. His stuff's as bad as Frazetta and Boris...
His stuff's as bad as Frazetta and Boris. Horrible as art-- but great as posters for a dorm room or a geek's cheap, first apartment.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:13 AM
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25. His paintings are signed with his blood.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/2002/2002-03-12-kinkade.htm

There are nine versions of each reproduced image, from Standard Numbered editions, for a few hundred dollars, to Studio Proofs that feature a textured canvas, more highlighting and Kinkade's machine-etched signature — compete with his DNA, courtesy of mixing the ink with the painter's hair and blood.

:crazy:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:33 AM
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29. I still don't get what the fraud complaint was about.
the article doesn't explain, except that he seems to owe some money to gallery owners.

Sure, it's a stretch to call what Kinkade does "original works of art" but how is it fraud? His factory techniques
are well known. And marketed as prints, usually, not unique works. Did the gallery owners front him cash for stuff
he didn't deliver? That's a sweet deal if true, and let's say very rare.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:37 AM
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30. (Link) Explanation of the fraud " Hey, he was using Christian Themes without telling us!" Whaah?
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 08:42 AM by librechik
http://www.nctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/article_37e67a0d-fe1b-5a3b-8748-b6b311473810.html

Jesus art can be demeaning and exploitative, but Fraud? Huh...

on edit: Oh, yeah. He was franchising "Thomas Kinkade Galleries" at a handsome price, oinly they didn't make as much money as claimed. Duh.
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