Moat's Brother: 'Death Was Public Execution'

Source: Sky news

"I think I'm probably the only person in the UK who has watched their brother die on television, which is obviously horrific," he told Sky News.
"I felt absolutely powerless. It's happening behind glass and you're not there.
"It's all hotting up, you've got this constant round-the-clock news, it's like the whipping up to what could be a public execution in modern Britain of my little brother."

Angus Moat said he contacted Northumbria Police to ask if he could talk to his brother but he said officers rebuffed his offer.
They were apparently concerned that it might unlock memories which would exacerbate the situation.

Mr Moat said that despite his brother's "horrendous" actions he still loved him "deeply".
"You know this is my brother who's not a psycho killer like some of the press have been suggesting," he said.
"He was a person, he's a brother, he's a son, he's a father. He's a man who's had a nervous breakdown."


Meanwhile, Moat's family have told Sky News they may ask for a second independent post-mortem as the official report made "absolutely no specific mention of any Taser injury". Northumbria Police have confirmed that two officers shot Moat with Taser stun guns during the stand-off with Britain's most wanted man.

Read more: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100711/tuk-moat-s-brother-death-was-public-exec-45dbed5.html

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watching the full interview with his brother on sky news is actually very powerful. He is measured and calmly determined and passionate in his analysis of the police, the media and his brother. No cliches, no dramatising it. Very powerful and moving to be honest

Moat shot himself. A horrible end to an awful series of events - but the police did not 'execute' him . . . and frankly, this is one of the few instances where I think the use of the Taser was justified.

I feel very sorry for Moat's family; obviously they are suffering - but so are the families of the people he shot and injured, and the one he killed. Those individuals are people, too - parents, sons, and daughter. They did nothing to deserve what he did to them.

Moat did not have to kill himself; he made the choice. Was he screwed up? Absolutely. Was he 'executed'? No.

edited for missing 'for'

for what seemed like a public execution" or words to that effect, with all the media there and crowds gathering, likening it to the french revolutionary crowds who used to gather for such executions. the article, although reporting accurately, doesn;t represent fully what he said now that i've watched the interview in full.

his brother's a very calm and measured guy. all in all i think he's a guy that's just been battered by life, his mother wished him dead in a national newspaper and he flipped, had a break down and did some horrific things. tragedy all round.

And the presence of the media helped give it a carnival-like atmosphere. What is disgusting is that there are people who like watching that sort of thing, and not in just a 'ooh, a car crash!' way. They seem to actively enjoy and look forward to someone being killed or injured.

Says something about humankind. Not something very good . . . :(

for the guy in the UK at the moment,

While no-one is condoning his horrendous crimes i think many many disenfranchised people can identify with his life story (particularly men in the North East of England where he was from, an old industrial and now very derelict region) of a directional life full of betrayal, disaster and let down.

His life just spiralled and he reached 37 years old having lost absolutely everything. He just cracked went bezerk and did some truly awful things, although not an evil man!

just begging to happen.

:(
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Moat shot three people, one of whom died. And his brother is upset that Moat got tasered.

you're being electrocuted.

Maybe they shouldn't have tried to take him alive.

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Oh, that's right- it's only important when we're talking about undocumented immigrants.

So why are you talking about undocumented immigrants? What do they have to do with a British citizen who murders and is armed and dangerous? I believe that even British law allows the police to use lethal force in that circumstance.

Instead the British police tried to take him alive, the guy shoots himself, and some people are blaming the police because an armed murderer refused to surrender and offed himself.

with a small lethal range of about 20 yards give or take according to police, and was very very contained, by a river, alone in the countryside with no escape and was negotiating will police at length.

It seems a decision was then made to electrocute him with the tasar guns and seconds later the gun goes of and kills him.

It just all seems very peculiar, and people are generally mighty pissed off with the police's handling of the entire saga. Fuck up after fuck up....

on British laws re: capital punishment.

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in the hopes that.....

The guy did horrific things, yes, but he's not an animal to be put down. i find that quite a warped view to take of another person, whatever they did!

They do, however, make muscles convulse, so, if you were *already* holding a gun to your head, it's worth considering whether or not being tased caused the trigger pull.

scene. The man had murdered one person and shot 2 others and he was armed. While it's too bad that anyone died, I'd much rather it was him than a member of the public or a cop.

Raoul Moat manhunt: Investigation into Taser shots fired at fugitive
Electric stun guns could have caused gunman to shoot himself during six-hour standoff with police

Mark Townsend, Helen Carter, Martin Wainwright and Jamie Doward
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 10 July 2010 18.21 BST


Armed police officers attempt to negotiate with fugitive gunman Raoul Moat
on Friday night.

Investigations into the actions of Northumbria police in the hours before the death of Raoul Moat are concentrating on two Taser shots fired at the fugitive before he killed himself.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission will ask if the 50,000-volt charges from the stun gun prompted the former bouncer to fire his shotgun on himself after a six-hour confrontation with police.

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As the inquiry got under way, Northumbria police's acting chief constable Sue Sim admitted that a Taser stun gun was fired at the 37-year-old, but "did not prevent his death". Later, the IPCC also said Taser stun guns were discharged during the police standoff.

Although Tasers are designed to incapacitate criminals, medical experts say they can trigger involuntary muscle spasms in people.

Moat had spent most of the confrontation holding his sawn-off shot gun to his head and neck, before squeezing the trigger at 1.15am. This followed hours of gentle persuasion by police negotiators to give himself up in an attempt to bring to an end one of Britain's most extraordinary manhunts.


Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/10/raoul-moat-taser-investigation-standoff

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The strange life and death of Raoul Moat
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-strange-life-and-death-of-raoul-moat-2023987.html


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I would like to know what the fuck you mean by that comment?

that went nuts and killed people. It's a very valid question as it could shed light on what kind of crazy moat was. I don't doubt England has seem the same kinds of problems with their vets.

as you so eloquently put it.

For every Pat Sherrill there have been plenty of Andrea Yates's, Andrew Cunanan's and Scott Peterson's.

to admit that, now that he is dead, it is as if a lens of anger and outrage has been removed from my eyes, and I can now see a certain pathos in his own personal tragedy. (Temporarily filtered out again, when I read that the PC he shot might have lost his sight.)

Nursing a bitter grievance over a week, to the extent that he slept no more than a couple of hours a night, I would be very surprised if he had not become possessed. "Do not let the sun go down on your anger."

"It's all hotting up, you've got this constant round-the-clock news, it's like the whipping up to what could be a public execution in modern Britain of my little brother."

is not

'Death Was Public Execution'.

A total fabrication only to be expected by Murdoch's written media outlets.

The interview itself was very well done, though. I was very impressed by how the interviewer was asking the questions.

wish i had watched the whole thing first now....

i thought the interview was very powerful. calm and measured, but also determined and passionate about the whole thing.

i thought the guy was very considered in what he said and i found it actually quite moving!