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Elmore Furth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:34 AM
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Obama Casts Republicans as Party Of The Rich
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama stepped up criticism of Republicans on Saturday for blocking jobless aid, hammering home a Democratic election year attack line that casts the opposition as the party of the rich.

"Too often, the Republican leadership in the United States Senate chooses to filibuster our recovery and obstruct our progress. And that has very real consequences," Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address.

Senate Republicans have blocked at least three Democratic initiatives to extend unemployment insurance, citing the need to curb government spending amid a record budget deficit.

"Think about what these stalling tactics mean for the millions of Americans who've lost their jobs since the recession began. Over the past several weeks, more than two million of them have seen their unemployment insurance expire," the president said.




Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/07/17/news/news-us-obama-republicans.html?_r=1&ref=news



After the financial crisis where we privatized profits and solialized losses, I am sick of the Welfare State for the Rich, their party -- the GOP, and their network -- Fox News.

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:43 AM
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1. I'd throw "ultra" in there (ultra-rich), but yeah.
Exactly.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:09 PM
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83. I'd throw in gluttonous, greedy, soulless, treasonous
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 02:07 PM by ooglymoogly
criminally insane, shameless, monstrous destroyers of our home planet earth and whatever harmony it had and what precious little it has left; Precious little harmony that has not yet been sucked dry and fowled; A ruthless plundering of our resources, for a fist full of dollars.

This is the unbelievable crap for which the phrase "you can't make this shit up" was coined

And BO does not get any Kudos for trying to stop that calumny; with the lame cover "we are looking forward', his lamest and weakest moment and perhaps the lamest and weakest moment of any president in our history; Instead of claiming a right to assassinate anyone in the world he deems a traitor; And a right to spy on us; And upholding and reinstating Homeland Security, sunseted for good reason because it was fascist; He should have been working to string these treasonous bastards up at high noon in the town sqare;

For high treason under Constitutional and RICO law; Including Scalia, Roberts and Thomas who are an integral part of this "take no prisoners" cabal that illegally corproratised our government; Self identified thugs we have continually let walk, by our own MSM induced stupidity; Made even stupider by that same complicit corporate "MSM"; Thieves all, we have made glutinously rich and insanely powerful, against our own best interests and even survival;

Thieves who have been allowed, by our own complicit government made up of these same thugs, calling themselves Pugs dinos and bludogs, sold what they did not own; Then declared war on the middle and poor, homeless and defenseless classes to keep from being prosecuted for their astronomical crimes against this country; Causing false falg catastrophe after catastrophe to keep us off balance and our minds occupied far away from their theft.

Instead BO has opened the treasury vaults to these monstrous criminals, to steal every last shekel from our safety nets; For war and corporate welfare for themselves; The treasury that was stocked by us and once belonged to us, before it was plundered; And by law still does, even that which was stolen; And then using our own police forces to keep us at bay and compliant.

Now he is working on our Social Security net, which that same corporate government that we have lost, is in debt to us for trillions of dollars, already stolen by these same gluttonous bloodsuckers with worthless IOU's, now, to be covered by illegal, backroom "legislation", from a government that would make a lawless Mafia blush and blanch at its abject ruthlessness to the poor and elderly.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:46 AM
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2. Party of the Sheep
And Rustic Cheney Bots
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Stumbler Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:11 AM
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3. It's about time...
So does this mean he'll finally stop calling for bipartisanship on every single bill? Let's hope so.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:59 AM
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17. Don't you wish he had done this a year ago?
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LawnKorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:05 PM
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81. I wish Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi had used our majority a year ago to kick the Republicans
Senator Reid and Congresswoman Pelosi had (and still have) the Majority position in Congress. The Minority party Republicans should have been kicked into the ditch and prevented from being obstructionists. Our boot heel should have been on the Republican throat a long time ago to stop this nonsense of the Minority Party controlling the agenda.

I voted for Democrats to take power and use it. It just burns me to see the news media and even some in our own party apologize to Republicans for doing what we were elected to do.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:23 PM
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106. He hasn't done anything yet...
The words one uses to describe sinister behavior are important, and his comments come across as remarkably weak considering the circumstances. The overall effect of his address grossly understates the magnitude of the damage the Republicans have done, and continue to do. He continues to come across as a Caspar Milquetoast, IMO. There are effective ways to use words to inflict maximum damage, and he doesn't appear to have a clue how to do that - nor is he inclined to do it. We could really use someone along the lines of Al Grayson... a word-master who knows that you don't bring a knife to a gun fight. To me this BO address inflicts zero damage. In fact, it ultimately strengthens the opposition because it is so passionless, predictable, and ignorable. It takes our best ammunition and weakens it to the point where it just blends in with the background noise.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:12 AM
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52. Exactly. Time to fight.
Help for the unemployed, those without health insurance?

Not from the Repukes, who only stand for extending the Bush tax cuts and repealing the estate tax for the very wealthiest. Period.

I don't think so. Screw "bipartisanship."
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:21 AM
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4. Hopefully he is waking up to whom is "really" on his side and voted him into office. n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:42 AM
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30. "waking up" because he has built enough of a knowledge-base by now to know Really who is who/what
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:55 AM
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49. I hope you are right, but there's still the corporate campaign cash to be considered. nt
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:08 PM
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103. I have no idea anymore how we will ever get the pay offs / bribery money out of politics, and
now especially since SCOTUS has welcomed the cash inflow into the system as perfectly fine. Anymore, politicians just basically buy the office they want. And the MSM spews as propaganda whatever they are paid to do.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #103
160. Constitutional Amendment. n/t
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:01 PM
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161. Definitely needed! n/t
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:43 AM
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5. The rich will always be with us.
The question is, how do we control their greed and rapaciousness?
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:02 AM
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7. We don't.
Nothing's ever enough for these people. That's not what they're taught. They're taught "The world should and WILL kiss YOUR ass. NOT ONE INCH do you give to anyone 'lower' than you. NOT ONE INCH. Never a 'sorry'. Never a concession."

As long as you have these asskissers who think "Yeah, I'm gonna be part of THAT someday", and worship these people and that life like Olympus, shit's never going to change.

They need to be stepped on. Cut DOWN a couple of notches.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:05 AM
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8. If I were a rich guy in a gated community....
I'd be thinking about shoring up those gates a bit about now.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:18 AM
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11. You would think.
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 07:18 AM by HughBeaumont
I mean, if this were any OTHER country and the rich pulled the shit they do on their people like they do with us . . . yeah, I'd be thinking "armed guards, flying from building to building via helicopter, etc".

But America isn't like that. We're like docile mice people. "Errrrrrr . . . yeah, I hate what's going on, but am I really willing to get arrested for stopping it?"

You gotta wonder if, at the top of that mountain of wealth, they all got a pool going on to see how far they can push us . . . how many rights they're going to take away, how flat or negative they can keep our wages, how unaccessible they can make this "American Dream" before we finally say "ENOUGH".

Someone on the high end of that pool is making bank.

I don't think the wealthy want the shit to completely hit the fan. They just want to see how caked it can get.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:02 AM
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35. They think so little of us that the best they can come up with is
(when they give any thought to the rest of us) that we are happy with our stations in life. I heard one up-and-coming rich dude say that one time as we watched a baggage handler at an airport.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:00 PM
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134. In a way, it's true ... most of us want to be left alone -- to live in peace . . .
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 08:03 PM by defendandprotect
It's the few who are worried about status -- and wealth ---

and the very few who will do violence to gain it!

How many of us get up every morning with thoughts of how to gain control over

others?

How to scam and swindle for a living?
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:35 PM
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139. How many of us get up every morning with thoughts of how to gain control over others?
I have never experienced in my dreams or real life, thoughts of gaining power over others. Your question made me think of how good I have it for never allowing my life sink to that level.
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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:07 PM
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102. You hit the problem right on the head.
"But America isn't like that. We're like docile mice people. "Errrrrrr . . . yeah, I hate what's going on, but am I really willing to get arrested for stopping it?""

None of us can afford to get arrested, and we can't seem to get our shit together enough for massive, massive protests where we won't get arrested.
I understand your frustration.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:20 PM
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104. It goes even further than that...
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 04:22 PM by liberation
... the average American has been brainwashed to defend the possibility of wealth even if it means not addressing the reality of their current situation.

America is just like a big trailer park, every poor soul there thinks they are going to win the lotto just about any day now... thus they should not make much fuss for their will soon join the ranks of the ultra wealthy. Meanwhile, the same idiots are too monumentally uneducated and stupid to compute the probability of them ever winning the lottery as they are too busy working long hours for shit pay cleaning the houses of the ultra wealthy. But any day now, that golden ticket is gonna come through... just you watch!

We're a country of sheep, funny about all that crooning about "home of the brave land of the free" though... ironic in a way. But as they say, there is no worse slave than the one who thinks he or she is free...

PS to add: this by the way is not a new development at all.
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:39 PM
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114. BINGO!..........
Folks don't want to give up on the dubious prospect that someday they'll strike it big, as unlikely as it is. And while they cling onto the "American Dream" with both hands, they slide down the slippery slope of destitution. Its time to admit the "American Dream" is a lie. A fake bill of goods that isn't even worth the hopes it's woven from.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:58 AM
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34. You get enough hungry people roaming around those gates are going down!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:25 AM
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61. I'd be afraid of blockades. nt
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:57 AM
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33. + 1 and I have a somewhat lengthy comment on something you said that hit home:
"As long as you have these asskissers who think "Yeah, I'm gonna be part of THAT someday", and worship these people and that life like Olympus, shit's never going to change."

You bring to mind my older brother, age 57, who was once as liberal as it gets to the point where he and his young wife in the early 70's literally got back to the land. They were running away from everything Republican about life, or so they thought. Cut to the mid-90's. My brother has not had a successful career as a musician or craftsman, yet he and his wife are still doing fine because his wife had long been getting trust money from her grandfather who had owned and operated a small chain of lumber yards. They had been using the money to slowly build their home on a beautiful piece of land.

Then his wife's parent's died about three weeks apart leaving her with a little over a million dollars in inheritance. This did not really change her, she is still liberal to the bone, but it was her money and not my brother's. This, as you can imagine, caused some tension in their marriage.

All of the sudden my brother wants to be well-off, too. He sees his wife who, while not a spend-thrift, is able to not work and pursue hobbies she had put off, take friends and family to lunches and what not. He becomes an asshole over-night, and ended up in not just real estate but the worst kind of real estate in that he got involved with a company that, as far as I could tell, was little more than a Ponzi scheme, and this made my brother even crazier for riches. He started quoting things to me on the phone that he had picked up at some hack seminar on getting rich. Everything about my brother just did a fucking 180, complete with asshole hair style, Gold Lexus SUV to drive rich people around to look at 10 million dollar ranches, books on their coffee table about making millions in real estate, the power of positive thinking. Voted for Bush, twice. His old friends deserted him because he was not the affable, sardonic hippy they had grown up with. My brother used to just make us laugh and laugh with his observations on the absurdity of life. I worried about their marriage because his wife was very alarmed about who he was becoming.

He stayed with real estate for a few years and made enough money to keep them afloat as in the meantime his wife's fortune had taken a huge hit in the market crash. But the contract on a mega-millions ranch was still elusive, and having to deal with shit-heel after shit-heel rich couple was taking its toll on him. Tired of getting screwed by the companies he worked for he tried running his own real estate company but that lasted not even a year. I think he is officially done with real estate.

Somewhere in all of this he discovered a love for Spanish. He began studying on his own, then went back to college to study it. He is now doing a 2 month Spanish immersion deal in Mexico which will finish the requirements for his Bachelor's degree. He graduates in August and begins the Master's program. He thinks he might teach bilingual class in public school or teach at the college level.

I've started seeing signs of the brother I used to know, but he is still needing to finally find himself and see himself as a success, but I don't think it will be defined by his bank statement.

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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:02 PM
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79. wow - sounds like he may have
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 01:03 PM by dana_b
learned some lessons. I think the very last point that you brought up about seeing himself as a success is the most telling. People now define their success and sometimes even their being by how much money they make. Sad.
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Populist_Prole Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:51 AM
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68. Excellently condensed insight into their thinking
That really is the way they are, you just have to have the time to gradually peel back the rhetoric till the arguments are at core. Especially if the argument is during some alcohol ingestion. They get really ugly and tell you what they really think due to the "truth serum" stripping away their benign bumper-sticker talking points.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:59 AM
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16. When you have a system that rewards greed
that is what you'll get. Maybe try something other than capitalism?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:12 AM
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39. Where's Madame De Farge when we really need her?
You can't control anyone else's greed. You can, however, limit what people are able to do as they attempt to sate their greed, as with antitrust laws, anti fraud laws, etc, And, you can require them to give back a little of what they use up by taxing them.

You can. Whether politicians will do that--and whether we will hold them accountable, however, is another story.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:41 AM
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146. Something like this was tried before...


On a more serious note, I honestly believe that the only reason the wealthy went along with the New Deal reforms for so long was fear of the alternative. Remember there was a cold war with an avowedly revolutionary Marxist opponent, there had been decades of bloody labor wars in the US, and there was a real fear of a revolution in this country. Better to compromise with the Democrats than face a worker's state.

In short, the only thing that will control the wealthy is fear of their own demise
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:00 AM
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6. "The Party FOR the rich." nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:06 PM
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135. Unfortunately, there isn't only one party working for the rich . . .
the elites aren't stupid . . . !!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 09:57 AM
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163. My thought as well.
Show me a party that works for the poor and I will show you a grossly underfunded party.

No one works for the poor.
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Bosso 63 Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:07 AM
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9. Republicans represent the rich?
I expect that some wealthy people will be on Fox very soon to correct this characterization.
It will go something like;

"The GOP supports FREEDOM, and to suggest otherwise is an outrage. . . . .9/11....
our founding fathers...... Jesus....Support the Troops...Death tax...."
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:55 AM
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14. You forgot
God Bless the guns! :-)
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:09 AM
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10. Obama might have credibility if he hadn't spent the past year enabling and legitimizing Republicans
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 07:10 AM by depakid
-while going on about "not begrudging banskters their bonuses" (comparing them to baseball players who hadn't won a World Series) -or going before the Chamber of Commerce (of all groups) and letting it be known that he was happy enough to see an entire high school's teachers fired in some lame effort to curry favor.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:33 AM
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27. +1
:thumbsup:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:46 AM
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31. .
:cry:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:03 PM
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71. +1000. nt
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 02:46 PM
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96. True dat.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:28 PM
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99. +1
Hard to explain away, isn't it?
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:55 PM
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110. Seriously.
He needs to prioritize the people, not the corporations...or did the Citizens United v. FEC case confuse the two in his mind?
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:35 PM
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112. +1
n/t
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:38 PM
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126. +1 for a little non-campaign-mode truth.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:08 PM
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136. Truth can be hard to face . . . and we still have "CAT FOOD" Commission ahead of us!!
Guess that happened by accident?

Maybe when Obama wasn't looking?

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Raoul Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:25 AM
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12. Wow! I'm shocked(NOT)
Oh gee, what a fucking revelation! You mean the GOP isn't for the little guy? I thought they were the only true xtian patriots.
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marketbreakaway Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:29 AM
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13. As Socrates Would Say: Define Rich
Full Disclosure: I am a democrat but my views tend toward the Blue Dog side on many issues.

Define rich. It seems to me that the uber rich, from Barbara Strisand to George Soros are not only democrats but liberal democrats. Same seems to be true with the very wealthy of Manhattan and San Francisco. Likewise the wealthy immigrants.

It seems to me it is the small business owner, the just barely rich, that tend toward the republican party.

However, the real point is that elecction season is upon us and we begin to see the outline of Obama's election plan...
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:32 AM
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26. Have you ever noticed that the rich
that support more leftist causes really ARE more self made than the ones who inherit either money or status? Not always of course, but most of the time.

The actors, musicians, artists, etc. who actually get lucky enough to "make it" big time don't forget where they come from. Plus, there's an empathy element to art that the OTHER rich TOTALLY lack. It's the difference in starting from the "bottom" (the lowest rung on the management ladder at 50k a year)with an MBA from a prestigious school bought with Diddy's money and starting from the REAL bottom with absolutely NOTHING other than talent and then having some luck.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:39 AM
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28. Better yet, define "value".
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:45 AM
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147. rich is enough wealth that you can control other people's lives
When you have enough money to buy any conceivable material toy and you move on to buying corporations and governments.

When you have enough money that you think you can buy the governorship of the world's 7th largest economy for yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meg_Whitman
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:25 AM
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153. no, the "just barely rich"
Most small business owners really think the repugs are on their side. I'd say most repug politicians could care less about small business owners--now big corporate donors and the wealthy, yes. What the small business owners hope for is that "trickle down" deregulation and money. That's why, as today's economy takes a downward spiral, it would seem more advantageous to promote small business over giant "too big to fail" corporations. Small businesses (at least decent ones) have shown to take care of their employees and are more active in their communities.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:57 AM
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15. Excuse me Mr. President


But when you're done playing politics do you think you could push for a public option and the EFCA?


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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:00 AM
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57. K&R!
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:04 AM
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18. Bout time.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:05 AM
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19. yeah class warfare
:sarcasm:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:03 AM
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36. the rich are always engaged in class warfare. they just don't call it that.
Oh, and they've been winning.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:17 AM
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40. what exactly is rich?
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:22 PM
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105.  Very simple, if you have to ask... you're not it.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:49 PM
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128. I'm better off than many
am I rich compared to them?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:28 AM
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62. They do when we fight back. In high-pitched adenoid squeals. nt
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 02:23 PM
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93. +1000
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:46 AM
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148. It isn't really class warfare
a conflict that one-sided is more properly called "slaughter"
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:10 AM
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20. so what are the blue dog democrats who voted against extension of unemployment bennies?
just plain assholes?

or traitors?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:05 AM
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38. Yes.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:30 AM
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63. Republicans.
IOW, yes.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:13 AM
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21. The rich along with their loyal dupes: the ignorant.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:23 AM
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23. Yeah, I was Going two say his characterization is unfair.
Not all Republicans are rich. Some are merely stupid
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:46 PM
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108. The republicans are not representing the stupid
"There are two types of Republicans: Billionaires and Suckers."

The suckers are welcome to vote for them, by their measure.
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another saigon Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:36 PM
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140. that would explain my poor repuke relative Faux watchers
SUCKERS!

thanks. :)
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:17 AM
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53. Worse than ignorant...
... it's willful ignorance. They know that they don't know shit, and they are glad to not know shit, and don't intend to learn shit.

It's part of the anti-intellectual, anti-education, anti-reason thread that runs through our history.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:29 PM
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85. "People have a right to their own opinion but not to their own facts"
It's a quote from someone (not sure who). Tried to give some facts to relatives from Arizona about disinformation regarding amount of violence in the state and it was totally rejected. They do not care about "facts". Fear and "don't confuse the issue with facts" rule the day.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:07 PM
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123. Bernard Baruch
Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts. by Bernard Baruch
http://www.quotes-museum.com/quote/6148
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:11 PM
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137. another quote
Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the Senator from NY, also said this.

-90% jimmy
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TMED Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:20 AM
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22. the Republicans ARE the party of the rich; so are the Democrats
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 08:20 AM by TMED
the difference being that the Democrats will toss poor people more crumbs than the Republicans, because the Republicans want it ALL for the rich.

Here's an example of the Obama administration working hard to ship your job overseas, or else have a foreigner come here and take your job from you:

http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/administration-double-speak-jobs-exports

Just think, in 2-1/2 short years, we can have Sarah Palin doing this to us!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:26 AM
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24. From personal experience: It's not just that they are "rich", it's that they aren't worth what we ar
e paying them.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:27 AM
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25. i.e. They don't earn their keep and their keep is HIGH!
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:41 AM
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29. Is this just another speech?.
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 08:52 AM by INdemo
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 02:32 PM
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94. My first thought, too - I mean, I approve of that message; he frequently fails to follow thru, tho.
So I'm not getting excited about this.
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cindyperry2009 Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:55 AM
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32. Party of the rich
out for big business, don't care about "real americans" the list can go on ......
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:05 AM
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37. Dubya already did that--"the haves and the have-mores" eom
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:20 AM
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41. Just curious: Did he say Democrats are the Party of the poor? the lower middle class?
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:27 AM
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45. I guess that means Warren Buffett is poor or middle class..
So is Bill Gates.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:53 AM
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69. That would be the implication

However, no public health insurance option or Medicare at 55 says otherwise.
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Mr. Mustard Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:20 AM
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42. President Obama's M.O. and our Message
This is the way I see it.

When Potus took office, he did have visions of being able to cultivate a civil relationship with the rethugs. He did not realize how sociopathic they really are. It was beyond his comprehension that they would let the country fail, in order to re-gain power. His mistake.

Secondly, he had to put out the fires, with stimulus package and Tarp. Had to compromise because of the urgency of the situations.

The fires have been put out temporarily, and he hopefully has concluded there is nothing he can do to gain even civility from rethugs.

Election season is here, and he is attacking, using the correct memes, rethugs are for the rich, and they broke the country, and do you want them back? This is good.

Potus has done amazing things his first 2 years, but did lose opportunities, i.e. Public Option.

The question (to me) is this: What will he be after elections? Assuming we will maintain majorities, and I believe we will, and it won't be as bad for Dems as media says, will Potus shift into attack mode?

I think NOT publicly, as he has done so far. I think he will return to his personna of "being above it all" but work behind the scenes. He will become publicly aggressive as 2012 approaches.

That is his style, and his personality. I wish he would attack all the time, or at least assign attack dogs who are out there every day, attempting to write a narrative and a good one would be his message at the moment.

As angry as I sometimes get at him and Dem Congress, they have accomplished a helluva lot and when it comes down to it:

I (we) worked hard to get him elected. He is the 3rd Dem president in roughly 40 years. I am going to stick with him, and I refuse to allow myself to fall into the wingnut's media narrative.

So I say often and to all dittoheads I enncounter, President Obama and our Democratic Congress are awesome! They are doing great work, and saved the country from disaster caused by the cruel Republicans.

Great job President Obamba, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi! Great job, keep up the good work.

That is what I say, and it snaps rethugs' necks when I do. Where does anyone hear that the Dems did or are doing a good job? Even for one topic, such as student loans, which they did? No where that I know of.

I think the best way we can help them and us, is to say to someone every day, the Dems are doing a great job. No one else is saying it, and the negative message stream needs to be interrupted. It is time to kick it into gear, and have Potus' back.

As you all know, this election is very important. Go President Obama, good speach yesterday.

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:45 AM
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48. Welcome. And I agree with everything that you say EXCEPT for one vitally important point:
In a situation such as that which you describe, and I do believe that this is what is going on, what the President is trying to do WON'T WORK if we, each individual, does not get strong and active ***AND AND AND*** become willing to withhold his/her vote!!!

I don't mean going around and beating other people over the head with BULLSHIT like "I'm not going to vote Democratic, much less for President Obama, when the time comes {because I'm more principled than you are}."

I mean "the system" MUST know that Y.O.U. will decide how you will vote because you are a F.R.E.E. individual who can and will, ***if*** you so decide, either withhold your vote or vote for someone else.

The whole thing that you describe above C.A.N.N.O.T. work without this fact.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:50 AM
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55. What An Awesomely Refreshing Post! WELCOME!
Glad to have another poster here who "gets" it.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:27 PM
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111. Really? one runs for president of the USA in a Dem ticket and doesn't understand the basic GOP MO
And you all croon about "getting it"?

LOL
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:08 AM
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59. welcome to DU, and thank you!!
:thumbsup:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:36 AM
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66. Welcome to DU Mr. Mustard! I will be ecstatic if your insights and predictions are correct. nt
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:37 AM
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67. Welcome to DU I'm sticking too...I'm a Democrat.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:24 AM
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43. I was just about to post about this
This is EXCELLENT -- exactly what all the Democrats need to get "on message" in repeating over and over again.

"They say we shouldn't provide unemployment insurance because it costs money," chided Obama.

"So after years of championing policies that turned a record surplus into a massive deficit, including a tax cut for the wealthiest Americans, they've finally decided to make their stand on the backs of the unemployed," he said.

(snip)

"They've got no problem spending money on tax breaks for folks at the top who don't need them and didn't even ask for them; but they object to helping folks laid off in this recession who really do need help," Obama said.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:25 AM
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44. Sometimes I think he's too smart and not ballsy enough. He's been trying to govern but
sometimes the president has to be partisan and as blatently stupid as the repubs are this should have been the argument he should've been making all along.
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earthlite Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:44 AM
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46. There are plenty of wealthy Democrats.
Many of the top people on Wall St. and certainly in the entertainment industry who are Democrats and filthy rich.
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centerdem Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:27 PM
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132. yes!
How many rich democrats believe the poor and middle class are for thier use and nothing more. Some movie stars, Sen. Nelson, and a handful of others.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:51 AM
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149. why yes there are wealthy democrats
and I remember when Little Boots was getting his "give more to the wealthy tax" enacted, that a group of wealthy, mostly in the entertainment field, fought to keep him from passing it. They were on television, stating that they don't mind paying their fair share of taxes-they didn't want the obscene tax break.

There's nothing wrong with being wealthy, as long as you've earned it without destroying others in the process. As long as you realize, as a wealthy individual, there are responsibilities that come with wealth. But, I don't see that very often--there are a lot of sociopaths out there in the real world.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:44 AM
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47. The sky is blue.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:04 AM
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50. tomp casts democrats as other party of the rich. nt
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:05 AM
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51. The truth he speaks
I have always told people that I don't have enough money to be a republican.

There are other reasons as well but that always stands.
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:40 AM
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54. Mr. Obvious
Of course they are though along with the rich they depend on unwitting fools who aren't rich but continually vote against their best interest while supporting the gilded class.

The problem is that too many democrats now support the rich as well. Some are two faced about it some aren't but they are there and they are enablers - and that includes our president.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:53 AM
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56. The Democrats are the party of the rich also?
Surely we are not the party of the working poor, or poor, or middle class.. Are we?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:02 AM
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58. If we were, we'd have lots of things they won't give us.
Like adequate food, the ability to marry who we want, a decent educational system, and the ability to see a doctor, just for starters.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:08 AM
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60. Party of the biggest Corporations, same as the Repub's. Just they are nicer about it.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:33 AM
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64. Smarter about seeing the middle class as a buffer to system change. nt
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:35 AM
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65. You and the rest of the DLC bastards are for the rich, too, Mr. President.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:54 AM
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70. K & R
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:17 PM
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72. But Obama insists on partisanship with those greedy, evil bastards
That got him no where fast.

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:25 PM
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73. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Elmore Furth.:thumbsup:
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MikeW Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:30 PM
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74. Earth to Obama ...
YOUR RICH TOOO !!!!

Made almost 5.5 million last year on books alone.

Good luck selling that political approach to the American voters.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:51 PM
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78. Deleted message
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:35 PM
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86. Ted Kennedy was rich and was one of the biggest champions of the poor.
That argument is clearly shortsighted.
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MikeW Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 02:02 PM
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92. really
Do you really think someone who makes that kind of cash can understand what

the average person goes through weekly / monthly? and or really care for that matter?



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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:06 AM
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141. Absolutely I do. FDR and Kennedy are proof that being privileged
doesn't mean you can't empathize with those who are not.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:01 AM
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151. yes, FDR was part of the privilege class
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 11:19 AM by newspeak
he championed programs for the workers. I suggest watching Michael Moore's documentary, Capitalism, a Love Story. There are some people that don't know about FDR--when there was a big worker's strike, the old robber barons, sent in the Pinkertons to quash it--FDR sent the troops to protect the strikers from the cops and Pinkertons.

You can be wealthy and champion the cause for workers and against poverty. I remember the story about the husband and wife who were retiring and had built up a very profitable business--they gave all their employees a very tidy amount of cash. They said that it was their employees who helped make the business successful, so they split the profits with their employees. With wealth, come greater responsibility.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:39 PM
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155. There is a very good reason
that FDR was branded a "traitor to his class" by the rich and elite of the country. In fact, his own mother refused to pay her Social Security taxes when the program was instituted. When the program's administrator came to tell Roosevelt this, he sighed heavily and told the administrator that he would pay them--but that the administrator was under no circumstances allowed to tell Sara Roosevelt that her son was bailing her out.

After reading about him as much as I have, I'd credit Eleanor mostly for Franklin's metamorphosis--she took him to the poorest parts of the country and showed him how the other half lives.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:50 PM
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157. yes, Eleanor Roosevelt was part of the Hull House movement
I believe it started in Chicago to help the poor, especially poor immigrants. They provided legal services, taught english to adults, taught children, and influenced labor reforms and safety reforms.
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:37 PM
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87. Very good point - Geithner, Summers, Bernanke and Obama working hard to save the rich and punish
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 01:46 PM by scentopine
everyone else. The four horsemen of the non-rich apocalypse. Republicans are more honest about their intentions to fuck over the non-rich.

Republicans say things like "drill baby drill" and democrats recoil in horror.

Democrats say things like "it is clear that our energy demands are paramount to our security as a nation. Therefore we must invest in more efficient strategies for realizing our energy targets with clear legislative priorities."

And centrists cheer. Then they open up the entire eastern seaboard to drilling, causing a gold rush as oil companies rush to complete unregulated deep water jobs in the gulf of Mexico so they can move their gear over to the coast of Atlantic City and Alaskan wilderness.

We have a two party monopoly government that only sees rich people.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:24 PM
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107. YOU ARE, YOU'RE.
Really not that fucking hard to manage tense contractions vs. possessive pronouns is it?
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:39 PM
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75. K&R!
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seattleblue Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:46 PM
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76. Republicans are the party of the rich and those who think they will become rich.
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 12:47 PM by seattleblue
And that is the problem. There are many people who fall into the latter category. That is why Obama thinks he must work with them. He won't tell them the truth that they will never become rich -- unless they win the lottery!
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:50 PM
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77. Good, but he shouldn't be doing this alone.
Subordinates and Congresscritters should be jamming the morning shows and screaming that Republicans are blocking UI benefits to high heavens. Yell it loud enough and it'll make it through the media's GOP filter.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:03 PM
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80. Right vs Left ..... Left vs Right..... Nothing is getting done and the ship is sinking...
Politicians and Media....Quit beating the mule and help load the wagon....




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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:44 PM
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117. You meant Right vs. Center-right?
If there is a "left" in this country I would like to know. Because sure as fuck is hard to see it in either branch of the government, maybe the left is heavily stacked in a little known 4th branch of the government which happens to be invisible?
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LawnKorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:06 PM
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82. K&R
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:15 PM
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84. With the exception of Bernie Sanders, they're all for the rich.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:57 PM
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91. Seems that way to me to a lot of the time
Dems need to get back to being a party of the people. All this unlimited corporate money the 5 republican supreme court justices have now allowed into our elections is just going to make it worse. :(
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:36 PM
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113. There are a few more there, but your point still stands...
... given that the total number of real populist among our elected officials in both houses is in the single digit percentile fraction.

I don't think people have made the connection that the most over represented sector of the population, in our three branches of the government, is the smallest social minority in our nation: millionaires. In fact most of our representatives in Congress and the vast majority of senators are millionaires, yet... that represents less than 4% of our population at most. Meaning, that basically 95% of the population is represented by those less than 10% (and that is a very very very very "generous" figure) of populist representatives and senators.

It is without any real honest question a case of "taxation without representation." And that is further compounded by the fact that most tax revenues now come from individual income taxes and not corporate taxes, and yet corporation have the largest level of control over the direction of federal and state policies.

It should not be surprising, since this country was founded by rich people, for rich people, so it makes sense it is a country of the rich people. It has always been that way, pretending this is somehow a "fluke" is naive to the extreme.


Here is a hint: if the common people want to be represented, they should stop electing millionaires. But then again the system is rigged, so as long as people keep playing by the "rules" they will keep playing inside a system stacked against them. Same as it ever was...
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:42 PM
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88. Around here it seems to be the party of the poor, too.
I do know the wealthiest people in my city voted for Obama. I also know that a few blocks away, on the porch of the crappiest, run-down hovel you're likely to see around here, a few good ol' boys are having a Le Page (Maine's repuke nominee for gov) get together, complete with flags and swags. :scared:

Republicans have fooled the common folk into believing that they have a chance in hell of actually achieving the American Dream, and the common folk aren't clever enough or well-read enough to realize they're being used. For that reason alone I'd be embarrassed to be a repuke.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:47 PM
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89. Trouble is, it's the party of the rich *and those who think they'll be rich real soon*
which is to say, lots of people who have bought into this twisted "a few other people have made it, so naturally I'll be next" version of the American Dream.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:45 PM
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118. I'd go with Carlin when it comes to the "American 'dream'"
"It is a "dream" because you have to be asleep to believe it" ;-)
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:07 AM
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142. I'm amused hearing this coming from...
a guy that went from little to one of the most famous comedians in the world.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:36 AM
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154. yeah? so what
Carlin spoke the truth and kept speaking the truth, even when he had the dough. Was he supposed to change his stripes when he finally made money? Was he supposed to turn into another greedy, sociopathic repug just because he made money?

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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 05:02 PM
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158. You missed my point entirely
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 05:03 PM by SnakeEyes
He went from little to the most famous in the world... he was an example of the American dream. Yet he basically said it doesn't exist.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:55 PM
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90. They ARE the party of the rich. The question is
will Obama get the Dems to be a true party of the people and not just the Republican-lite Dems act like so often these days. The Dems are not doubt better then Repubs, but there is potential for them to be so much better - and I think people still truly want, and many need, some real change.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 02:40 PM
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95. Boom boom boom..its election time.. boom boom boom.. yes its election time...boom boom boom boom...
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 03:39 PM by ooglymoogly
Let the electioneering begin.

If we progressives are to make any changes or have any influence on elections coming down the pike, we have to add these words in our posts as and within the rubric of the Republican party; To let the world and real democrats (Democrats still sailing under the flag of Democratic principles and ideals) know just who these folks are who are destroying our party and our government.

The all inclusive Repulic0n party of public0ns, buedogs, dlc'rs and dinos.

Always including the republic0ns, Dinos, DLC and Bluedogs, as one entity, which is exactly what they and it are and is. That tack has already worked on the DLC, with many of its members disassociating themselves from that group, if only to get themselves reelected, thus making it a pariah, not to be perceived as associated with. The more we associate them as one party and one entity, the better the chance we have to elect progressive Democrats and Democrats with true Democratic ideals and let the world know these are not true democrats with democratic principles and ideals and save our party now, by design, confused with the pug party.

The ditinction must be made clear.

And yes I realize not all on DU are progressives.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:45 PM
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100. Thats 'Distinction'...That distinction must be made clear.
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 03:45 PM by ooglymoogly
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 02:57 PM
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97. Duh. And that is why Repubs have so much Campaign money.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:18 PM
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98. they've always been the party of the rich.
what i don't understand are republicans who are not rich. take a look at some of the teabaggers and those who attended McCain rallies. they don't look rich. my best friend is a lesbian and a republican. she gets by on disability. she's never been rich. my cleaning lady is a republican. she makes $12 an hour.

i've always felt that the democrats were the party who cares about the "little guy", but what i've seen in the last few years makes me wonder.
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:00 PM
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101. A little on the late side, but...
This is just the sort of rhetoric that needs to be hammered home at every opportunity.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:54 PM
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109. I always say...
If the rich actually had to pay their fair share to live they wouldn't be rich anymore. i.e., Gasoline costs me $3.00 per gal, but it costs Bill Gates (et.al) the same $3.00 whats up with that?

Gates (eta.al) should pay 30k per gal for gas, they might stop relying on those private planes and limos. Gates electric bill should be a Million dollars a month, they might actually turn off a light or two. Gates should pay a premium for food they might respect the fact that millions of people are going hungry and therefore pass on the Lobster and crab. All of the excess in cost should not go to the corporations that provide the services it should be delivered to the govt as a form of tax and that should be what pays for all the social programs.

Repukes counter that the rich are the businesses that hire people and produce the goods and services and capitalism is the American dream blah, blah, greed is all it is pure and simple greed.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:41 PM
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116. The same GOP shills who say the rich provide all those jobs graciously to the poor...
... were the same entitled assholes who said slavery was there to provide a better life to the average slave. Remember, life in Africa was supposed to be so bad that the crumbs the good massahs were throwing the way of their slaves was nothing but good Christian love and sharing.

By the way, there are plenty (if not the majority) of Dems who share a similar attitude.


No one goes to work oppressing others waking in the morning thinking to themselves "I am going to f*ck some people up today! yeaaaah!" Nope, they all think they are doing "the right thing" because they are so great they know exactly what is "best" for others. That is a human constant through our short history.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:02 PM
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122. Agreed
Holding our own accuntable is something that is unheard of in the Lockstep party of NO. Democrats with a majority in the Congress had a golden opportunity to lead this nation to real prosperity but so many are still so beholden to their corporate masters that they dare not go too far to the left.... LOL... those are the DINO's that need to disappear once and for all...

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:40 PM
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115. The Republicans do sound like their train hopped the reality rails.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:46 PM
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119. Pot...kettle.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:48 PM
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120. How about all of Obama's Goldamn Buddies..I know they are not poor..they are sitting where I am
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 05:49 PM by flyarm
On their Yachts and in their beach homes sipping Martini's ..double olives....right now..tonight.

Laughing at you!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:55 PM
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121. well duh....everyone knows that
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:22 PM
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124. The irony is rich, anyway.
NT!

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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:24 PM
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125. OMFG!
It took this law professor almost two years to figure that out?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:46 PM
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127. I hope that was sarcasm. n/t
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:54 PM
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129. I became a Dem the night Jesse Jackson gave his "That's not America" speech in 1992
and the point of the speech was basically that- the Republicans are for the rich and no one else.

There is nothing to suggest that any of this is not true. There is lots to prove that it is true.
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FunMe Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:06 PM
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130. Those are just WORDS
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 07:07 PM by FunMe
His policies (ACTIONS) seem to be supporting the very people, RICH ONES, he is criticizing. Like I said, WORDS only to make us think that he is for us when he is not.

I voted for Obama because I wanted him to be a DEMOCRAT president with DEMOCRAT values for ALL AMERICANS.

Instead we get what one post at another web blog said:

"A friend of mine who is an electrician says that some of his construction buddies jokingly call Obama "The DISCO" president: Democrat In Skin Color Only.

People look at him and see Democrat. People hear him, and they hear Democrat. He looks like a Democrat, He sounds like a Democrat, but he Walks Like A Republican."

VERY SAD.
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BillH76 Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:21 PM
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131. Whom do the Democrats represent?
They bailed out Wall Street, the insurance companies and the banks.
They are doing little or nothing to bail out home owners.
They have resisted and or failed to create single payer health care insurance.
They have cooperated in the delay/denial of unemployment insurance extensions.
They are constructing a meaningless financial "reform" bill.
They have escalated the war in Afghanistan.
They have supported the conquest of Iraq oil for Occidental Petroleum et al.
They have let the incompetents at BP run the show in the Gulf of Mexico.
They want to subtract BP payments to fishermen for cleaning up the oil spill from future BP damage settlements with the same fishermen.

We have two right wing parties, and both of them represent the rich.

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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:42 PM
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156. actually was bailed out before Obama
remember Little Boots emergency meeting? However, how that bailout money was distributed and accounted for, now that's another story. We needed really tight controls on those funds and some of the "too big to fail" banks, apparently weren't willing to divulge all of their transactions. Also, I believe they sat on money instead of helping many small businesses or main street--another words tightened the purse strings.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:03 PM
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162. Obama was a major proponent of the no-string-attached bailout
in the Senate.

I wouldn't let him off the hook so easily.

Of course, he then appointed Geithner to be treasury secretary even after it became clear that Geithner owed $240,000 or so in back taxes.

I expected to be disappointed in Obama's economic policies when he appointed all those Clinton retreads to his campaign advisory committee.

Oh, and then there was the little thing about NAFTA . . .

Don't get me wrong. I never even thought about voting for McCain or any other Republican for any office other than township treasurer because for that office the local dems nominated an idiot and the reps didn't.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:42 PM
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133. Sounds good, Obama . . . but we need more follow thru . . . as Nixon used to say: . . .
Don't pay attention to what I say -- watch what I do!!

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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:12 PM
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138. It's a good tactic and making Joe Barton the front man of Repulicna ideology.
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PinkFloyd Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 02:43 AM
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143. I see that he left out stupid.
How else do you explain those teabagging idiots who make less than $100k, take off work in the middle of the week and drive 1000 miles to go protest against things like regulating Wall Street or letting tax cuts expire for the mega-rich (i.e. not them)?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:08 AM
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144. He'e right. Now fire those assholes Geithner and Summers, "K? n/y
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:21 AM
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145. Party of the rich AND their bootlickers
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jimmie Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:55 AM
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150. There's a rational reason for that...
because hes right.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:03 AM
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152. Pot to kettle n/t
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 05:56 PM
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159. great photoshop in sig line! Where did you get it?
I want to post it on my blog and give props to the artist.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:00 AM
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164. "Also". nt
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:10 AM
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165. If the shoe fits........
I'd say it's a fair call.
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