I-580 gunman was headed to ACLU

Source: KGO-TV 7

OAKLAND, CA (KGO) -- The Tuolumne County man accused of shooting at CHP officers on Interstate 580 in Oakland over the weekend was headed to San Francisco to kill people at the ACLU and the Tides non-profit organization. He made his first court appearance Tuesday.

Byron Williams, 45, has a 2 p.m. arraignment in Oakland. Police say he will be charged with attempted murder for his role in the Sunday morning shootout that closed the freeway for most of the day.

Williams was shot multiple times by police, but was wearing a bullet proof vest and survived. He was recently released from a hospital and is expected to use a wheelchair to attend his court appearance, according to a spokesman for the Alameda County Sheriff's Department.

Authorities say Williams was armed with a number of high-powered weapons and ammunition during the shootout, which lasted 15 minutes. He and officers fired more than 150 rounds at each other.

Williams' mother told reporters the two-strike felon was angry with left-wing politicians.



Read more: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=7565389

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And I'm guessing this is Tides Center he was after.

http://www.tidescenter.org/about-us/index.html

The Sponsor of Social Innovation
With a 30-year history in progressive social change work, Tides Center is the nonprofit sector’s leading sponsor of social innovation.
Tides Center provides back-office services, a legal framework, and capacity-building support for projects that share our vision of a just, healthy, and sustainable world. Tides Center accelerates social change by enabling new and effective approaches to some of our society’s most pressing issues.

As the country’s leading fiscal sponsor, Tides Center has set the benchmark in providing infrastructure and services to hundreds of nonprofit projects nationwide. To learn more about what Tides Center provides for fiscally sponsored projects, see our Services section.

Tides Center and our projects believe healthy societies rely fundamentally on respect for human rights, the vitality of communities, and a celebration of diversity. Projects work to effect change in the areas of social justice, economic development, civic engagement, environmental sustainability, environmental justice, human rights, community development, international affairs, and nonprofit capacity building, among others. Varying in size from a single dedicated volunteer to a staff of hundreds, Tides Center projects are located all over the nation. For information on individual projects, see our Project Directory

It seems that our shooter may be a devout FU Nooze viewer. Somebody needs to hide Beck's chalk. I'm series!1!!1!

July 29, 2009

BECK: OK. And then we have Wade Rathke — Wade Rathke, who is the founder of ACORN. He was on the board of directors, if I'm not mistaken, of the institution that is funding and paying for Apollo, right?

KERPEN: Yes. He's on — he was until this year on the board of the Tides Foundation and the Tides Center, which are the parent organizations that host the Apollo Alliance.

BECK: OK. So, Wade Rathke, ACORN, Tides Center, they decide that they're going to fund and create Apollo. One of the founders is the guy who went to jail — this is during the Rodney King thing — he went to jail and he was just a black nationalist. He came out a communist and he also then started looking into the green movement and he is the guy who said, hey, if we tie labor and ACORN and Greenpeace together, we've got a super-powerful group: Apollo.

BECK: OK. America, I would like you — I just like to ask you, Barack Obama keeps trying to separate himself from all of these organizations. He's telling us — he's giving speeches and saying, "I'm one of you, guys; I really am one of you." But then these organizations he'll always distance himself over and over and over again from the individuals.

But let me ask you this: John Podesta, Van Jones — who is now his green jobs 'czar,' an avowed communist — we've got the SEIU, who's in his office once a week talking about labor. They're the ones who were negotiating with all of the health care industry. He's in the Obama's office all the time. Wade Rathke, former founder of ACORN. It all ties to the Tides Center.

But who's really at the top of all of this? Who's the one that's trying to stay away from all of it and say I have nothing to do with it? Obama.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535284,00.html

Sept 29

BECK: The Apollo Alliance — OK. Oh look: It's ACORN. ACORN founder Wade Rathke is former chairman of Tides Center. That's weird: Rathke was on the Tides board. ACORN, Tides, Apollo, Van Jones, Jeff Jones, Weather Underground — uh-oh.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ACORN, SEIU, Tides — all of those connections alone and seeing how they are all intertwined and related are eye opening. But, when you combine that with what they are being mobilized to work for, it's frightening — unless you love France.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,553382,00.html

Non-profits all located in the same building! So dangerous!

the Bush family ties to Nazis

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler

WASHINGTON — President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.

Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen (search) was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.

Reports of Bush's involvement with the seized bank have been circulating on the Internet for years and have been reported by some mainstream media. The newly declassified documents provide additional details about the Union Banking-Thyssen connection.

Trent Duffy, a spokesman for President Bush, declined to comment.

Union Banking was owned by a Dutch bank, Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaardt N.V., which was "closely affiliated" with the German conglomerate United Steel Works, according to an Oct. 5, 1942, report from the federal Office of Alien Property Custodian. The Dutch bank and the steel firm were part of the business and financial empire of Thyssen and his brother, Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza, the report said.

The 4,000 Union Banking shares owned by the Dutch bank were registered in the names of the seven U.S. directors, according a document signed by Homer Jones, chief of the division of investigation and research of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, a World War II-era agency that no longer exists.

E. Roland Harriman, the bank chairman and brother of former New York Gov. W. Averell Harriman (search), held 3,991 shares. Bush had one share.

Both Harrimans and Bush were partners in the New York investment firm of Brown Brothers, Harriman and Co., which handled the financial transactions of the bank as well as other financial dealings with several other companies linked to Bank voor Handel that were confiscated by the U.S. government during World War II.

Union Banking was seized by the government in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act (search).

...more...

The FBI should have him removed from the tube.

But our Constitution still protects speech, and it takes a lot to rise to the level of prosecutable incitement to violence.

So, though we may not be able to prosecute him and those like him, nothing prevents us from understanding the danger they pose. When he leaves the airwaves, it won't be the doing of the FBI. It will most likely be due to his own penchant for shooting himself in the foot (and that's one "Second Amendment remedy" I can really get behind :)).

Where else would someone even HEAR about the group? I know I never even heard of them until I saw Beck's show. That idiot is good at demonizing, and among his on-the-edge listeners and viewers, there are some who are OVER the edge.

I guess we can just chalk it up to the power of demagogues--something we SHOULD know about if we studied history. Ironic, when we consider Beck's reliance on his own layman's study of history and the specific historic episodes he loves to cite! It's like what one of our fellow DUers said of Sarah Palin: he uses a fictionary.

The Oakland Police are reporting that Byron Williams, the man charged with triggering the massive Sunday gun battle on Highway 580, was traveling to San Francisco to kill people at the ACLU and Tides, a San Francisco environmental and progressive organization.

Tides' senior vice president, China Brotsky, told SF Weekly she was "absolutely baffled." She said her organization would have a statement to release to the public within the hour. Calls to the ACLU were shunted to the organization's communications director.

Williams is a two-time convicted felon with a lengthy criminal past and an apparent hatred of liberal activists. It is unclear if he has had any prior contact with Tides or the ACLU -- or how he chose the organizations, especially Tides, as his alleged targets.

Tides, which has an office in the Presidio and in New York, is a 34-year-old organization that describes itself as a "values based infrastructure for progressive nonprofit work." They have supported causes ranging from gay rights to immigration rights to climate change to youth arts. According to the most recent financial report available on its website, Tides in 2008 made 3,732 grants for $108 million

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/07/byron_williams_tides_aclu_580.php

OAKLAND — The body armor-clad man who kept a dozen California Highway Patrol officers in a prolonged gunbattle late Saturday night was on his way to San Francisco with a plan to "start a revolution" by attacking two liberal organizations, court documents state.

Although details of Bryon Williams' plan were not released, authorities said they had gathered enough information to conclude that the 45-year-old was destined to create havoc had he not been stopped by CHP officers on westbound Interstate 580 just north of the Grand Avenue exit.

"His intention was to start a revolution by traveling to San Francisco and killing people of importance at the Tides Foundation and ACLU," a probable cause warrant submitted to the court states.

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Court documents state that Williams had a number of high-powered weapons and ammunition including a .308 shotgun with ammunition designed to pierce both body armor and vehicles.

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Although police and prosecutors continued to keep the contents of that binder secret, they said Tuesday that it included details of a plan to attack organizations in San Francisco that Williams believed had a liberal bias.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15559695

Someday FOX will pay and all their propaganda darlings will get what is coming to them for dividing this nation in fear and hatred.

News writers & reporters are usually horrible on gun reporting accuracy.

That should be a .308 RIFLE. Very common, as a long-range hunting rifle. Also known as 7.62 NATO in military terms. Armor piercing (AP) bullets will penetrate serious steel plate and whiz through most ballistic armor. Ordinary military or hunting rounds will make a joke of body armor, sheet metal, and ballistic helmets.
I've worked for a helmet company, and have shot 7.62 AP - it ain't no joke. This guy meant to do some serious harm, and was well equipped to do so.

He's probably a big Michael Savage fan.

Fortunately these jerkwads are like Larry Niven's alien Kzinti -- they always attack too soon, and the wrong people. He wanted to massacre a bunch of unarmed do-gooder lefties but got into it with the police instead. Way to go. Hope every right wing lunatic is as good at planning mayhem as this guy. Next time drive up to the front gate of Fort Knox and tell 'em that since that gold is the property of the people you want your share or else.

Bet on it.

Even before his second term actually begins, we'll likely hear a lot more nonsense from the Right about "taking up arms" and "taking our country back". Not that they have a snowball's chance in hell of mounting an actual revolution, but I wouldn't be too surprised if we see increased militia activity and even cases of RW terrorism.

This is definitely one of those times.

Let's hope this poisonous little wart is locked up until he's too old and frail to pick up any sort of a gun.

Too often, we disparage cops here. Rightfully so, when we see abuse of power and authority.

This case doesn't involve "good" cops or "bad" cops--just cops doing their job.

And, not to put up flamebait, I will posit that there ARE good cops. (Feel free to flame away.)

Thanks for the thread, RamboLiberal.

By Kristin Bender and Sean Maher
Oakland Tribune
Posted: 07/19/2010 06:53:49 PM PDT
Updated: 07/20/2010 08:06:24 AM PDT

OAKLAND — Byron Christopher Williams, who police say might have been headed on a violent crime spree when he fired at CHP officers Saturday night, has done time in California and Washington and knew he was facing a third strike when he was stopped Saturday night carrying three firearms, authorities said.

The unemployed carpenter has been out of prison for three years and was on federal parole, authorities said.

In June 2002, Williams was arrested for bank robbery after robbing the California Federal Branch in Chowchilla. He had been planning to rob a Bank of America branch but abandoned that plan when he saw a long line and because customers and tellers laughed at the suit and blond wig he was wearing, according to published reports.

In Seattle and King County, where Williams lived during the 1990s, he was convicted of theft, assault, property destruction, drunken driving and hit-and-run, according to Washington Court reports ...

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15553679?nclick_check=1

I'd say that's pretty well established at this point.

My question is: Will his mother be going to jail as well. The early reports I read stated that she provided the weaponry. Assuming that this is true, and also given his violent past, I would say that she bears culpability as well.

And if it wasn't her that provided it, or if anyone else also provided these things to him, they should really be facing consequences as well.

Too bad there isn't an easier way to ID and neutralize these characters before the bullets fly.

Just like every racist teabagger is really a plant from the (COMPLETELY FAKE AND ALSO RIGHT-WING) crashtheteaparty.rog.

By Joe Eskenazi, Mon., Jul. 19 2010 @ 11:59AM
​... We may never know what was going through the mind of a person accused of stealing mom's guns, donning a suit of body armor, weaving drunkenly around the highway, and then taking out his anti-liberal, anti-Congress sentiments by blasting high-powered weapons at California Highway Patrol Officers. Yet some police SF Weekly has spoken with are wondering if, somewhere in Williams' mind, he was aware that he already had two strikes under the state's three-strikes law -- which might have led him to attempt to go out in a blaze of glory rather than face a lifetime in prison ... "Part of the initial debate relating to 'three strikes' was that it could wind up causing a lot of violence and causing police officers to be killed," says Peter Keane, a law professor and dean emeritus at Golden Gate University. "There's the psychological factor of someone knowing they'll never see daylight again and being so desperate that they'd resort to killing someone who attempted to arrest them -- as opposed to the past, where someone would say, 'Okay, you got me, I'm going to prison for a while and at some point I'll be out'" ... http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/07/byron_williams_580_shooter_thr.php


Byron Williams, California's I-580 Shooter, Used to Live in Seattle
By Caleb Hannan, Tue., Jul. 20 2010 @ 7:08AM
On Sunday, two-time felon Byron Williams stole his momma's guns, got loaded -- both figuratively and literally, with booze and a bulletproof vest -- and took to I-580 near Oakland looking for trouble ... But as our sister paper in San Francisco points out, he's also representative of the kind of criminal all cops fear, and one the local authorities faced only months ago: the guy with nothing lose. Much like Maurice Clemmons, who killed four Lakewood police officers last November, Williams was one conviction away from a never-ending stint in prison. HIs criminal history included charges of assault, property destruction, a DUI, hit and run, and theft ... http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/07/byron_williams_californias_i-5.php

More evidence that the Department of Homeland Security was right in its April 2009 report.

I seriously hope the FBI is keeping tabs on the violent wingnuts.

And had a fresh Don't Tread on Me/Live Free or Die tattoo on his arm and railed that Obama was going to take his guns.

And that nutjob who the RW canonized that flew his plane into the IRS building killing a veteran.

dont get enough attention in the media, which is spending its time on manufactured NAACP controversies. They always give them the "lone wolf" benefit of the doubt.

now that their side is out of power.

Convicted felon Byron Williams loaded up his mother's Toyota Tundra with guns, strapped on his body armor and headed to San Francisco on Sunday with one thing in mind: to kill workers at the ACLU and an environmental foundation, prosecutors say.

Williams, an anti-government zealot on parole for bank robbery, had hoped to "start a revolution" with the bloodshed at the ACLU and the Tides Foundation in San Francisco, authorities said.

But before he made it to the city, Williams was stopped by California Highway Patrol officers for speeding and driving erratically on westbound Interstate 580 west of Grand Avenue in Oakland.

Police say he then initiated a chaotic, 12-minute gunbattle with officers, firing a 9mm handgun, a .308-caliber rifle and a shotgun. He reloaded his weapons when he ran out of ammunition and stopped only after officers shot him in areas of his body not covered by his bullet-resistant vest, authorities said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/20/MNMN1EHB37.DTL#ixzz0uHC8sTsb

GROVELAND — Until he "snapped" and entered the public eye by way of a gunbattle with California Highway Patrol officers Saturday in Oakland, almost no one had heard of the town Byron Williams called home — and almost no one in town had heard of him.

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The man was such a hermetic presence in the town that almost no one noticed when he was arrested for robbing a bank in Chowchilla in 2002 and went to prison until his release three years ago. Sheriff's deputies finally found him and served that failure-to-appear warrant in 2008 and didn't hear from him again until last year, Wilson said, when Williams started and promptly lost a bar fight at the local pub, the Iron Door Saloon.

"He got drunk, got in a fight with somebody, and he got his butt whooped," Wilson said. "He's not very good at this stuff."

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(A neighbor) "He was (angry) about the new president," Funk said. "He said the world's going to hell in a handbag because we have a black president and he didn't think black people deserve to be president. He was just bitter."

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His apparent racism, combined with comments his mother has made to the media that she owned the guns he took from her because she believes a "revolution" is near, may paint a picture suggesting Williams was part of a white supremacy group and could have been acting on their behalf Saturday, but local sheriff's deputies said they've seen nothing to suggest he was connected to such a group. Authorities in Oakland believe he acted alone.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15560859


Looks like he took some buckshot or glass to the face in the battle.

Funny thing is the police have a gang charge on him in this case.

... that ACLU defends him

The ACLU doesn't defend people who shoot at other people...

But you meant to put one of these in your post, right? :sarcasm:

:hi:

A Tuolumne County man who was involved in a shootout with California Highway Patrol officers in Oakland early Sunday said he was traveling to San Francisco "to start a revolution" by killing people at two nonprofits in the city, according to a probable cause statement released by police.

It's not clear why those two organizations were targeted except that conservative media commentators often accuse them of having left-wing agendas.

On a June 13 show on Fox News, host Glenn Beck said the Tides Foundation was an organization "using failing capitalism to destroy it."

The Oakland Police Department's homicide unit was conducting the criminal investigation of the shooting, and the CHP is carrying out an administrative investigation. The FBI is also assisting.

Williams was scheduled to be back in court Wednesday for a plea entry hearing at 9 a.m. in Department 112 of the Wiley Manuel Courthouse, located at 661 Washington St. in Oakland.

http://cbs5.com/crime/oakland.chp.shootout.2.1814931.html

Though police and prosecutors continued to keep secret the contents of the binder, they said Tuesday that it included details of a plan to attack organizations in San Francisco that Williams believed had a liberal bias.

Police have already said that Williams has a history of anti-government and anti-corporation behavior, and a deep-rooted hate for liberal causes. He reportedly ranted at one point about "the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items," according to published reports.

The ACLU calls itself the "guardian of liberty," working daily in courts, legislatures and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the U.S. Constitution and laws of the United States guarantee everyone in the nation. The Tides Foundation is an organization that facilitates donations to nonprofits.

Both organizations are regularly accused on-air and online of having a left-wing agenda.

Tides Foundation spokeswoman Catherine Coleman said the organization was dismayed when it found out it was a potential target. Coleman said it had never heard of Williams before the shootout and could not speculate about the incident while the investigation is under way.

The foundation, she added, has been mentioned on "right-wing blogs and media." But, she added, the foundation "has never had to deal with anything like this. ... Our staff is our prime concern in this matter and we have taken additional security measures."

http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_15559695

That's a great line! :rofl:

Those of us who study this shit know that we're actually experiencing end-stage capitalism and that things are NEVER "going back to 'normal'"...

So one wouldn't have to use failing capitalism to destroy it...

Beck is the poster boy for internal contradictions and cognitive disconnect... :rofl:

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

(07-20) 21:44 PDT OAKLAND --

Convicted felon Byron Williams loaded up his mother's Toyota Tundra with guns, strapped on his body armor and headed to San Francisco late Saturday night with one thing in mind: to kill workers at the American Civil Liberties Union and an environmental foundation, prosecutors say.

Williams, an anti-government zealot on parole for bank robbery, had hoped to "start a revolution" with the bloodshed at the ACLU and the Tides Foundation in San Francisco, authorities said.

But before he made it to the city, Williams was stopped at early Sunday by California Highway Patrol officers for speeding and driving erratically on westbound Interstate 580 west of Grand Avenue in Oakland.

Police say he then initiated a chaotic, 12-minute gunbattle with officers, firing a 9mm handgun, a .308-caliber rifle and a shotgun. He reloaded his weapons when he ran out of ammunition and stopped only after officers shot him in areas of his body not covered by his bullet-resistant vest, authorities said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/20/MNMN1EHB37.DTL

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Yep, yet another episode of wingnut violence in 2010. On May 20, a similar incident occurred in West Memphis; two police officers and the gunmen (who expressed anti-government sentiment) all died. On March 4, California resident John Patrick Bedell traveled to Washington to shoot Pentagon police officers; the officers returned fire and killed Bedell. The violence to begin all violence was on February 18, with the suicide plane crash in the Austin IRS building.

all the things they complain about are more true of Republicans? McVeigh and the various militias in the early 90s all complained about police states and big government--things which were the hallmark of the Republican administrations before Clinton. People crashed planes into the White House and shot randomly at it. All to protest issues that were more true of the previous guys in power.

Once again, it flares.

There's no doubt in my mind that somewhere there's a conservative group funding this crap. These losers are too unorganized and stupid and poor to do this on their own. I'm not saying that someone commanded this Williams numbskull to try to attack the ACLU, but I am saying that the emails and flyers and disinformation that whips these people into a frenzy at their firing ranges and survival camps and clubs are focused by someone with money and a conservative agenda and a desire to see civil unrest under Democratic presidents.

So says Glenn Beckkk.

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=16rmp6

Oops I meant to reply to post.

:shrug:

Or is that honor reserved for those who assasinate doctors in their church foyers?

made by Toyota (or anyone else)!

Because these are white Christians.

..

Or, for short, the Republican base....

needs to stop.

Your post is along the lines of "We have to get money out of our elections".

How? :shrug:

or any offering of solution. Was simply stating my feelings about it.

Combine the glacial pace of such an effort, with the fact that the DU gun culture would prefer to wait for President Palin to appoint the next SCOTUS justice just to make sure all the guns don't get grabbed, and the fact that corporations can lobby against amending the COnstitution just like they can against any and all Dems, and you have nothing but masturbation.

Let's all just give up... :hide:

it's right there...

Just googled Tides Foundation & Michael Savage and got 5,370 links in .22 seconds.

Beck has attacked (verbally) the Tides Foundation before: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22tides+foundation%22+%22glenn+beck%22

:eyes:

We all want to change your head.

Sounds like a hypocritical Freeper.

even though he has ample representation in Parliament, er, I mean Congress.


The entire RW, especially RW politicians like Angle, and members of the RW media, like Savage and Limbaugh, are denouncing him and explaining the he totally misunderstood and twisted their respective messages, right, Right? Right?



Why do these people love nationalism and a piece of fabric, and idolize their politicians in such an unhealthy way, but hate the Constitution of the United States, which embodies what this country actually is?

Why do these people idolize the military in an unhealthy way, but hate people who fight for their rights without sending their children to be killed or maimed, like the ACLU?

Why do they idolize law enforcement in an unhealthy way, but hate the rule of law and our legal system?

Why do they hate freedom?

Why do they idolize Jesus and the trappings of religion in an unhealthy way, but ignore and violate what Jesus taught?

Why does the RW hate America and Christianity so very much?


Makes me wanna cry like Glen Beckkk.

If you want to know why, check out the hatred regularly directed at the ACLU down in the Guns forum.....

So Paladin, how does it feel to disparage fellow DU members?

Why don't you quote some of this 'hatred'?

anything against ACLU.

And I sure don't hear of any liberals taking their or "their crazy momma's" arsenal out to target RW foundations.

The D.U. Guns forum has been a source of hate-spewing against the ACLU for years, now. The ACLU is almost as unpopular as Democratic politicians, down there.

Check out the brand new thread that just popped up in the Guns forum, entitled "ACLU Lawsuit Gets Mans Confiscated Guns Returned." Slightly, grudgingly more favorable toward the ACLU than previous examples, but still overwhelmingly negative.

And thank you for the polite request......

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/07/21/aclu-defending-gun-rights-but-that-wont-convince-the-wingnuts-nobodys-coming-after-their-guns/

Not sure what the cognitive dissonance is.

The national org takes the 'collective' interpretation, unlike 81% of americans:

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/35735/americans_agree_on_second_amendmentaas_meaning

According to the police, Williams had hoped to start a revolution by killing employees of the American Civil Liberties Union and the Tides Foundation. The ACLU is a well-known bogeyman of the right wing, but the Tides Foundation, a progressive non-profit organization founded in 1976 to promote social change, is a less familiar name. Why did Williams target a little-known non-profit in order to incite a revolution? Just ask Fox News...

Of course, the good folks of Fox News don't want violence. Glenn Beck, for example, has admonished his audience, "If you ever hear someone thinking about or talking about turning violent, it is your patriotic duty to stop them. The only way to save our republic is to remain peaceful--forceful but peaceful."

Beck has also denied that his dire prophesies of communist revolution and totalitarian oppression encourage violence. Comparing himself to a flight attendant, he explained:

Blaming TV or radio hosts for the nutjob who killed three Pittsburgh police officers over the weekend is like blaming a flight attendant after a terrorist takes down a plane. In other words: Giving passengers a safety talk to prepare them for a worst-case scenario doesn't mean you are responsible should a terrorist make that worst-case scenario happen. One person is providing important information. The other is a nutjob who would've acted no matter what.

http://dagblog.com/persecution-politics/why-did-california-shooter-try-attack-tides-foundation-3455

The right wing is so hypocritical when it comes to wealthy liberals spending big bucks on causes they support.

Right now, my mind is ablur rage...

The Tea Party, Minutemen, Militias, all of these organizations are terrorist organizations

When the voices of hate radio come on and demand bloodshed, and their sheep actually follow - then there is a problem

These folks are not Americans

They are not Freedom Lovers or Patriots

They are hate groups, as vile as the KKK or Nazi Party

And make no mistake they want us all dead

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Protect yourselves and protect your loved ones

They will not stop here

They are a danger to society. I don't think the Tea Party should be outlawed but someone needs to keep an eye on them so stuff like this doesn't keep happening.

This is worse than shouting FIRE in a crowded theater already.