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Ross K Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 10:53 PM
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Deportations Increase Dramatically Under Obama
Source: Slate

The Obama White House is on track to blow past the previous administration in the number of deportations and company audits for illegal workers, the Washington Post reports. As part of an effort to "put our money where our mouth is," the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency plans to deport 400,000 people by the end of this year: a 10 percent increase from 2008, and a 25 percent increase from the year before.

The crackdown has been heavily criticized on both sides of the political spectrum, and immigration advocates have accused the administration of framing immigration around crime while going after minor offenders.

According to ICE head John Morton, slightly under half the people deported this year have a criminal record—"from driving without a license and DUI to major felonies"—but critics complain that there's no data about what kind of crimes have been committed.

Meanwhile, advocates of tougher immigration policies have criticized the White House for not doing enough to go after undocumented workers without records.

Read more: http://slatest.slate.com/id/2261787/entry/12/



The piece goes on to say that $6.4 million in fines have been levied against companies that hire illegals, which is exactly the direction we OUGHT to be going!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:28 PM
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1. NYT: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 11:29 PM by Pirate Smile
Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

BREWSTER, Wash. — The Obama administration has replaced immigration raids at factories and farms with a quieter enforcement strategy: sending federal agents to scour companies’ records for illegal immigrant workers.
While the sweeps of the past commonly led to the deportation of such workers, the “silent raids,” as employers call the audits, usually result in the workers being fired, but in many cases they are not deported.


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Employers say the audits reach more companies than the work-site roundups of the administration of President George W. Bush. The audits force businesses to fire every suspected illegal immigrant on the payroll— not just those who happened to be on duty at the time of a raid — and make it much harder to hire other unauthorized workers as replacements. Auditing is “a far more effective enforcement tool,” said Mike Gempler, executive director of the Washington Growers League, which includes many worried fruit growers.
Immigration inspectors who pored over the records of one of those growers, Gebbers Farms, found evidence that more than 500 of its workers, mostly immigrants from Mexico, were in the country illegally. In December, Gebbers Farms, based in this Washington orchard town, fired the workers.

“Instead of hundreds of agents going after one company, now one agent can go after hundreds of companies,” said Mark K. Reed, president of Border Management Strategies, a consulting firm in Tucson that advises companies across the country on immigration law. “And there is no drama, no trauma, no families being torn apart, no handcuffs.”

President Obama, in a speech last week, explained a two-step immigration policy. He promised tough enforcement against illegal immigration, in workplaces and at the border, saying it would prepare the way for a legislative overhaul to give legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the country. White House officials say the enforcement is under way, but they acknowledge the overhaul is unlikely to happen this year.
In another shift, the immigration agency has moved away from bringing criminal charges against immigrant workers who lack legal status but have otherwise clean records.

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John Morton, the head of the immigration agency, known as ICE, said the goal of the audits is to create “a culture of compliance” among employers, so that verifying new hires would be as routine as paying taxes. ICE leaves it up to employers to fire workers whose documents cannot be validated. But an employer who fails to do so risks prosecution.
ICE is looking primarily for “egregious employers” who commit both labor abuses and immigration violations, Mr. Morton said, and the agency is ramping up penalties against them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us/10enforce.html
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Aristophrenia Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 06:33 AM
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9. Almost the exact amount of Jobs
Obama claims to have created. Ironic.
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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:35 PM
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2. When I hear people say
we should go after the companies that hire Illegal’s I always think of the police going after the johns that hire prostitutes. Never has worked and never will.
This does not make sense to me. Who is at fault the prostitute or the john? Remove the illegal’s and remove the prostitutes then we have no problems right?
Let’s also fine and/or arrest the CEO of all major big box stores because they display the goods that entice shop lifters. No goods No shop lifters right? After all it’s the fault of companies and the prostitutes and the stores that display the goods. Or is it the fault of the illegal, the prostitute and the shop lifters?

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:41 PM
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3. So your proposal is to deport 12 milion people?
or some such figure?
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:01 AM
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4. And the counter I hear to that often is
"so you are saying we should let them get away with breaking our laws?" which then gives me a splitting headache because both points of view are correct but neither side in this debate has of yet provided a real solution though to be honest I dont know of one myself.
What I do know though is these days the whole illegal immigration debate has me reaching for my bottle of 800mg Ibuprofen.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 03:00 AM
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7. Immigration/migration debates are always full of headches and strange bedfellows
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 03:16 AM by depakid
That's why anyone teaching a public policy course (on any level) is well advised to use it as a template for the study of process.

Now, if one wants to look at solutions, the way to do that is to look at matters systemically, rather than to run aound like little Dutch boys trying to plug their fingers into dikes- like some Maxwell demon.

What do I mean by systemic?

NAFTA for example- caused major disruptions in traditional rural economies (and also urban economies) -creating a population (actually sets of people(s) in populations) that had little choice but to move.

As to population and poverty, it might make sense to encourage and follow successful examples written about in Brazil that educate and empower women- and get the doubling time in Mexico and Central America to more manageable levels (which of course also requires social security- in a bit of a broader sense).

If we want to make progress on issues like these- the information and materials are there for the taking- and implementing.

All that's required is the political will and fortitude to address them.



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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:02 AM
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5. Actually, going after the Johns is pretty effective.
That's why LE does it. Men used to solicit women constantly in my old neighborhood, until cops started arresting them and publishing their pics in the paper. Problem solved.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:15 AM
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10. A better analogy would be going after the pimps. n/t
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Ross K Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 03:01 AM
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8. So, by your logic,
we should focus all of our anti-drug efforts on interdiction, rather than dealing with the social and health issues that create the demand, right?

Well, that approach is a proven failure!

I have a hard time darkening my countenance over poor people trying to earn money for food: Let's go AFTER the johns! Let's go after the nice white guys in the business suits who exploit these people, all the while knowing perfectly well that it's against the law!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:30 AM
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6. We need everyone using the immediate SS check . . . don't recall what the system is called . . .
and then we need to hold corporations responsible for any illegals in their employ --
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