Seattle police: 4 dead, 1 wounded in shooting

Source: Seattletimes.com

By MANUEL VALDES

Associated Press Writer

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SEATTLE —

Seattle police said four people were shot and killed and one wounded at a southwest Seattle home Thursday, and the woman suspected of firing the shots apparently is among the dead.

Officers heard gunfire when they arrived at the scene, police spokesman Sean Whitcomb said.

Assistant Police Chief Jim Pugel told KOMO News that a man - possibly the suspect's husband - broke through the police line and got inside the house. Police heard more shots and the man ran back out and said multiple people were shot, and that the shooter apparently had shot herself.

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Seems these are becoming nearly daily events somewhere in the US, lately. Sadly...

Last I checked (2009 stats) violent crime, like most crime went down last year. Do you have evidence it has gone up this year? I don't. Maybe it has, but without evidence, I won't assume it.

I'm sick and tired of every time there is a story of a killing by a gun there are stats presented to tell us don't worry about it!

Call a meeting of the families after the funerals and show them the stats!

based on my statement ("so the story is just a lie"). I have no reason to doubt any element of the story. I never said nor implied it was a lie. But then that's not what I took issue with, and if you'd engage your reading comprehension instead of your rhetoric, you might understand that.

Just once I'd like to see, "my that is very sad!" instead of "it doesn't happen often enough for anyone to be concerned about the number of guns in the hands of Americans!"

"Seems these are becoming nearly daily events somewhere in the US, lately", is a true statement.

I didn't claim the 2nd sentence was untrue. I claimed I'd like to see some actual reason to believe it WAS true, because I have seen none. The only crime stats I have seen (I realize 2010 is not out yet) show that crime is still going down. Thus, regardless of how it "seems" for those who get their perception of reality from the media, how things seem is not necessarily how things are.

Whether or not it SEEMS that these are BECOMING nearly daily events is a statement of perception that may be entirely unrelated to reality. It discounts tragedy when people seek to make political points, further unsupported by evidence, based on *a* tragedy, such as "seems these are becoming nearly daily events..."

Gun Violence in America
Firearms are the second leading cause of traumatic death related to a consumer product in the United States and are the second most frequent cause of death overall for Americans ages 15 to 24. Since 1960, more than a million Americans have died in firearm suicides, homicides, and unintentional injuries. In 2003 alone, 30,136 Americans died by gunfire: 16,907 in firearm suicides, 11,920 in firearm homicides, 730 in unintentional shootings, and 232 in firearm deaths of unknown intent, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. Nearly three times that number are treated in emergency rooms each year for nonfatal firearm injuries.

http://vpc.org/nrainfo/phil.html

Every day in America, guns claim 84 lives, and wound nearly 200; every year more than 30,000 people die – over 3,000 of them children and teens – and over 70,000 are injured.1 Firearm homicide is the leading cause of death for black men ages 15-34, and is the leading cause of death for all African-Americans 15-24.2 Homicide represents the second-leading cause of death for Hispanics between the ages of 15 and 24, 76% of which are firearm related.3 Estimates of direct medical costs for firearm injuries range from $2.3 billion4 to $4 billion,5 with additional annual indirect costs estimated at $19 billion.6

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/politics/obama-transition-memo.pdf


Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)

http://neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/gunsafety/statistics.htm

The question was whether or not such incidents are on the rise, as hlthe2b posited.

Nothing you posted addressed merqz's call for facts demonstrating such a rise.

Here's a graphical summary for 2008-2009:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/index.html

We should have preliminary first half of 2010 numbers in December (per FBI's schedule published @ http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/publicationschedule.htm)

Good work!

On the rise or not you are a fool to deny that people get killed every day. Seems like this happens every day.

You want to play games go ahead

Do you have anything to back up the original question about whether such incidents are on the rise, or not?

And just as an fyi, those numbers are old. For 2007, for accidental and intentional, there were just over 2k kids (<= 18 yoa) killed via firearm. A 1/3 drop since 2003, looks like.

Roll your own query at CDC's WISQARS- http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

Do you have a source for that?

According to the following table, the number is actually 684 by firearms and 1348 total.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_09.html

There's no evidence that they are in fact "becoming nearly daily events somewhere in the US, lately".

If I wanted faith to override verifiable reality, I'd become a teabagger.

Four people are dead and one is still in the hospital because of a mentally ill family member that had access to a gun.

THOSE ARE FACTS.

Perhaps you should tell the dead that "violent crime went down last year". I'm sure they'll be comforted by that "fact".

This is also the second spree shooting in the Seattle area in less than a month.

Hiding them from grandma is no better than hiding them from the kids. They could have easily gone to the local police station just blocks away and gotten free gun locks. The right to own guns comes with responsibility to do so safely.

Its nothing new, just the reporting thereof.

Some years ago, I was horrified by one of the school shootings, I think it was columbine. I was talking with my uncle, a US history teacher. He told me that there have been attacks on schools since the beginning of this country. He cited specific events of students using explosives to blow up one room school houses, and similar things all the way back into pioneer wild west days. The big differences are the advancements in weapons technology (ie, its much easier to kill multiple people with a pistol with multiple clips than with a muzzle loader) and increases in the passing of information (ie, 24 hour news cycle).

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to the scene, and police reported two shots were fired from inside the house about 1:45 p.m."

and

The surviving victim, a woman with gunshot wounds to the shoulder and the chest, was rushed to Harborview Medical Center in serious condition. Medics said at least one round remained lodged in the woman's chest, but Seattle police spokesperson Sean Whitcomb said she was expected to survive.

As she was being transported to the hospital, she told police, "My mom's gone crazy."

and

The house is believed to be a rental property. A woman who said her brother lived at the home said 11 people lived there.

and

According to a relative, the suspected gunman and her family members are from Cambodia. Police have called in an interpreter to help question family members.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/103659304.html

I canvassed that block for the census, but I think they were one of the 80% who had already turned it in. Glad not to have met them.

That dude broke into a crime in progress. He should be immediately suspected as a co-conspirator.

Unlikely as it may be, the possibility exists that the guy went in and wounded the shooter while altering the scene to pin it on someone else.

Grandma shot and killed her son-in-law, a 42 yr. old landscaper, his 14 and 17 year old daughters (her grand children), and his wife (her daughter) who survived, and was released from the hospital Friday. Then she shot herself. She had mental problems and, according to relatives, and been in and out of mental hospitals.

"Grandpa" broke through the police lines when he came home and saw all the police cars, crime scene tape, ambulances., etc.

:cry:

Prayers for all those who fell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NRbycO0O_k