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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:47 PM
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US executes first woman for five years
Source: Telegraph

US executes first woman for five years
Teresa Lewis, a grandmother who had become a symbol for campaigners against the death penalty, has been executed in Virginia.
By Nick Allen in Los Angeles
Published: 2:47AM BST 24 Sep 2010

Hopes for an 11th-hour reprieve came to nothing and Lewis died by lethal injection at 9.13pm (2.13am GMT) in Greensville prison.

The 41-year-old was the first woman to be executed in the United States since 2005, and the first in Virginia for almost 100 years.

She was only the 12th woman executed in the US since the Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in 1996.

Lewis had an IQ of only 72 but was considered fit for trial in Virginia.

She pleaded guilty to hiring two men in 2002 to murder her husband and stepson to cash in on their life insurance policy. Relatives of her victims witnessed the execution.



Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8021995/US-executes-first-woman-for-five-years.html



http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com.nyud.net:8090/btb/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/bob_mcdonnell.jpg

Governor Bob McDonnell
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:50 PM
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1. This is a sad, sad day for American and for American women
all across the nation.

Spineless, blood-thirsty McDonnell could've showed some of that compassionate conservatism for once, and halted the execution because of abundant evidence that Teresa Lewis was a victim of her own mental retardation and neediness. She was no less of a victim than her husband and her stepson.

I am deeply saddened by this.
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wookie72 Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:09 PM
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22. Why does it make a difference that she's a woman?
In that five years how many poor black men have been executed?

And while I am against the death penalty and am saddened when anyone is executed, she is not "no less of a victim." That's just ridiculous.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #22
85. What, women don't matter?
I.Q. of 72?

Something's fishy there. :(
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wookie72 Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 11:32 PM
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88. Do the men who are executed not matter?
There are plenty of examples of poor, uneducated men being put to death. (And frankly, I've never understood or particularly put much creedence in IQ measurements).

Of course women matter, but why should we be especially upset that a *woman* is executed, when the ratio of men to women executed since 1976 is 100 to 1?

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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #88
101. Because this posting is about a woman?
How come when anything is about a woman, good or bad, it always has to come back to being a man?

Yes, it's okay to talk about women. Last time I checked, they were more than 50 percent of the population.
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wookie72 Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 09:49 AM
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104. It's okay to ignore a very large gender disparity?
Men do not commit 99% of murders, and yet they are vastly overrepresented on death row.

why not go all out? Why not say it's a *white* woman who is executed, and that is somehow notable?
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 01:11 AM
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91. Because the two gunMEN were given life without parole. Shallenberger confessed
that he manipulated her from the git-go. He and his buddy, Fuller, both concocted this scheme, immediately seeing this woman was easy to manipulate.

Why did they get life and she got death? Does that seem fair to you?

And the last female to be executed in Virginia was a poor black girl who was only 17-years-old, back in 1912.

Anyway, this case stinks to high hell and yes, she IS no less of a victim than her husband and his stepson. Doesn't matter anymore since she's dead now ... just like they are.

Shallenberger committed suicide three years after writing his confession and handing it to a fellow inmate, and Fuller is still alive. Pathetic.
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wookie72 Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 09:14 AM
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95. The one who instigates the crime is considered more culpable
And I fail to see the sexism, I'm sorry. In that 100 years, over 100 times as many men have been executed in Virginia.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:07 PM
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100. And the one who instigated it was Shallenberger, but he got life w/o parole
while Lewis got the DP.

The sexism lies in the fact that Shallenberger and Fuller are MEN. They concocted this scheme and pulled the triggers, not Lewis. Also, only two of the three female justices at SCOTUS voted to stop the execution. Not ONE male justice bothered. Yes, I know about the many men executed over the past century, and the majority of them were black, according to statistics. An alarming majority, btw.

RICHMOND, Va. — The U.S. Supreme Court refused Tuesday to block the execution of a woman convicted of two hired killings, clearing the way for the state's first execution of a woman in nearly a century.

Teresa Lewis, 41, is scheduled to die by injection Thursday for providing sex and money to two men to kill her husband and stepson in October 2002 so she could collect on a quarter-million dollar insurance pay out.

Two of the three women on the court, Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor, voted to stop the execution. The court did not otherwise comment on its order.


Lewis pleaded guilty in May 2003 to two counts of capital murder for hire in the slayings of her husband Julian Lewis and her stepson, Charles Lewis.

The triggermen, Matthew Shallenberger and Rodney Fuller, were sentenced to life terms. Shallenberger, who Rocap names as the mastermind, committed suicide in prison in 2006.

"If she was not the mastermind – and it is now clear she was not – it is grossly unfair to impose the death sentence on her while Shallenberger and Fuller received life," Rocap wrote to McDonnell.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/21/teresa-lewis-supreme-court-mentally-disabled_n_734081.html


I hope that cleared it up a bit.
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wookie72 Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 09:54 AM
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106. WRong, her lawyer claims Shallenberger instigated it
Very easy to excuse a dead person.

I'm sorry, it's not sexism. In fact, what's sexist is the paternalistic view that when a woman is on death row, she should be treated differently than others on death row.

And again, I'm not in favor of the death penalty, but read two sentences out of that article:

"Lewis offered herself and her 16-year-old daughter for sex to Shallenberger and Fuller. She stood by while they shot Lewis, 51, and his son, who was 25, in 2002 in Pittsylvania County in Southside Virginia.

Lewis rummaged through her husband's pockets for money while he lay dying and waited nearly an hour before calling 911."

This is not a victim. This is a callous, possibly psychopathic person.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:27 AM
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51. ...
Edited on Fri Sep-24-10 06:29 AM by Regret My New Name
It didn't mention anything in the article linked.

Either way, sucks that we're one of the few 'advanced' nations that has a death penalty...


*on edit.. Never mind, I reread what you wrote and realized I misread.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:54 PM
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2. Executing someone for five years should be cruel and unusual punishment.
Or is that use of "for" some rediculous Britishism.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:56 PM
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3. +1
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. They also got the date for reinstatement of the death penalty wrong
It was 1976, not 1996.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:02 PM
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6. And they think they own the English language. n/t
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #2
28. +2.
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oldironside Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 02:09 AM
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45. It is perfectly good English.
The last woman was executed in 2005, so she is the first woman executed for five years. i.e. there have been no women executed for the last five years (in your mangled version of the language of Shakespeare you would probably say "in").

And before you try to get sniffy about other people's command of the English language, I suggest you buy a spell checker.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #45
52. Who the hell buys spellcheckers? They're usually free.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:31 AM
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74. And the US did not execute her, either
Newspapermen are idiots.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:01 PM
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5. This, Ma'am, Was Not Justice
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 05:49 AM
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48. The country looked as if it had finally become enlightened in 1972, when the DP was suspended.
It almost seems impossible here, that having gotten that much saner, more civilized, it slipped right back with a vengeance, after all, only 4 years later.

http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com.nyud.net:8090/2009/12/death-penalty-map-united-states.png

Map published December, 2009.

Massive failure for the human race.

You'd think this profoundly limited woman had harmed all the reactionary Americans who've expressed worshipful gratitude for her execution, and deep bitterness someone didn't draw and quarter her, or go after her with a chainsaw, like the Colombian right-wing paramilitaries working their way through Colombian villages they want to empty.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:01 AM
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50. Bear In Mind,Ma'am, I Am Not An Opponent Of Capital Punishment
But death was not appropriate in this instance.

Not the least of the things obviously wrong here is a death sentence imposed after a guilty plea. Incompetence of counsel or dishonesty at the bench must have been features of the sentence.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:30 AM
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53. I've noted your comments concerning capital punishment in other threads, actually.
I think it probably slipped my conscious mind temporarily, but I've been aware, can almost remember some interesting remarks you've made in that direction. Didn't mean to imply you take an anti-D.P. position.

It's completely unlikely the woman was well represented, and the public sentiment was undoubtedly loud, and persistant, and dangerous to resist for anyone with political ambition. Doesn't seem likely that environment would allow any other possibility for a prosecutor who wanted to get out alive him/herself.

Anyone who has actually known anyone truly that limited has been sadly aware how incapable they are of actual understanding, even though they appear capable of basic tasks. It's simply as if they live in a different world, and you think about them years after you've met them, with real, lasting sadness. It's truly as if they never had a chance, if they are that isolated mentally, emotionally, surrounded by similar people, all living at a very rough level of existance.

It's a matter of exposure for people to develope understanding of the differences in people outside their own social backgrounds, and how they live, and think, to really know them. It's necessary for them to go beyond their own personal needs and beliefs to be open enough to learn about others, to see into their worlds, their lives, and understand it's going to be that way for them until they die, and their children, of course, and probably their grandchildren.

Oh, well.

Thanks for your comments.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:03 PM
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7. Absolutely shameful. Many in this country are just plain bloodthirsty.
An IQ of 72???!? Good God.
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #7
35. In some red states...
that's probably above average.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #7
64. Yes. It's a a terrible disgrace that we continue this barbaric and
wrong practice just to pacify the blood lust of many Americans. nt
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #7
67. So, dumb people should not face the same consequences as smart people?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:09 PM
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8. Smart enough to participate in a murder conspiracy.
Smart enough to hate her husband and step-son.

Smart enough to want them dead.

Smart enough to die for it.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. The "mastermind" was killed while the actual murderer was not
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 10:24 PM by wuushew
please tell me your sense of bloodthirst at least demands consistency.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. I think they all should have been on the dock.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #17
26. Yep, the actual trigger-pullers as well.
Possible they weren't eligible? 'Only' murder, and no compounding conspiracy charge or something?

I'd be curious to read more about their cases. Gut reaction, I certainly think they should have shared her fate.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. Probably had better lawyers.
I've read about cases like this before.

Hit men always sell out the people who hired them for a better deal. Yet another reason not to ask someone to commit murder.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #8
27. 72
Doesn't really matter how smart she was, though. State shouldn't be putting people to death.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. I like I said, smart enough for the crime.
Makes her smart enough for the punishment.

I disagree with the second part of your statement.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #30
44. And that's actually the stronger part of my argument.
Dozens and dozens of reasons why the state shouldn't be putting people to death.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:02 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. Dozens and dozens of reasons why some people deserve to die for their crimes.
We disagree and probably always will.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #8
32. She also bragged to her friends that she married
her husband because he had money. So she had this thing in her
head all along.

She was lucky to have died painlessly. Her husband and step son died
with much pain. I heard the husband was still barely alive when the
cops showed up and was whimpering his wife's name.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #32
36. Exactly why I'm not overflowing with sympathy for her.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #32
40. Her low intelligence ought to have been a mitigating factor
however heinous the crime.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #40
87. She was smart enough to find a rich man to marry
then smart enough to convince two guys to kill her husband.
She knew it was wrong but greed overruled morality. I have
no sympathy for cold blooded, calculated & planned murder for any reason,
but especially just for money.
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 05:19 AM
Response to Reply #8
47. Smart enough to vote? I'll bet the same organizations trying to
stop the execution would have pitched a fit if the state had tried to ban her from voting because she was not quite retarded. I take no joy in an execution, not even Tim McVeigh's, but I don't see it as either unconstitutional or morally wrong .
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #47
99. Don't expect an answer to your very good question; you will just get "I can't hear you!"
For what it's worth, I agree with you
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #47
102. Do you have a list of states which don't allow people of low intelligence to vote?
Have never heard of that.

In your haste to flog people who do NOT approve of capital punishment on moral grounds, you shouldn't reach for situations which don't exist, to my knowledge, to prove your point.

As I have understood it, everyone in the country has a right to vote if he/she is not in prison, or lives in a state which doesn't allow a felon to vote after he/she is released from prison.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 05:51 AM
Response to Reply #8
49. You don't have to enjoy it so much, p_l.
It's gruesome.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #49
75. Who said I enjoyed it?
Why would you think that?
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #75
80. Please.
You love the DP.
It gives you so many chances to annoy liberals, and you crave the attention.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. Who loves the DP?
All I acknowledge is that sometimes it's the appropriate punishment. You sound like a pro-lifer attacking a pro-choicer.

Annoy liberals? Ah, a passive-aggressive accusation that I'm not a liberal. Have I failed a purity test of yours?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #80
108. +1 for spot-on accuracy.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:49 AM
Response to Reply #8
55. None of that takes smarts
Since when is hate a smart emotion? Or wishing someone dead? An IQ of 72 is actually so low that there is no real mental connection between talking about killing someone and doing it. There is almost no understanding of what death is. Or of consequences.

A smart person wouldn't do these things.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #55
77. "A smart person wouldn't do these things."
Lots of smart people in prison for murder.

She's a murderer, plain and simple. She was smart enough to enjoy and take part in the conspiracy and didn't have the basic human instinct not to murder their own family, she earned her fate.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #8
68. solves nothing though
even if it gave personal resolve to a victim's family... this support for the death penalty has caused many to die erroneously.
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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:21 PM
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9. Disgusting! She was borderline retarded! And the guys got LIFE without parole????? sad day indeed.
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sadbear Donating Member (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:24 PM
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11. Pro-Lifers, huh?
What heartless dicks.
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Throd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:37 PM
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13. I'm pro-choice, and she made hers.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:00 PM
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18. +1
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:42 PM
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33. +10
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:36 PM
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12. She sounded like a real piece of work.
The Lewis execution stirred an unusual amount of attention because of her gender, claims she lacked the intelligence to mastermind the killings and the post-conviction emergence of defense evidence that one of the triggermen manipulated her.

Throughout her life, a faith in God had been a seeming constant for Lewis — whether it was the prayer with her husband or her ministry behind bars. But by her own admission, Lewis' life has been marked by outrageous bouts of sex and betrayal even as she hewed to the trappings of Christianity.

"I was doing drugs, stealing, lying and having several affairs during my marriages," Lewis wrote in a statement that was read at a prison religious service in August. "I went to church every Sunday, Friday and revivals but guess what? I didn't open my Bible at home, only when I was at church."

Her father said she ran off to get married, then later abandoned her children and ran off with her sister's husband. Then she had an affair with her sister's fiance while at the same time having an affair with another man.

Lewis' life took a deadly turn after she married Julian, whom she met at a Danville textile factory in 2000. Two years later, his son Charles entered the U.S. Army Reserve. When he was called for active duty he obtained a $250,000 life insurance policy, naming his father the beneficiary and providing temptation for Teresa Lewis.

Both men would have to die for Lewis to receive the insurance payout.

She met at a Walmart with the two men who ultimately killed Julian Lewis and his son. Lewis began an affair with Matthew Shallenberger and later had sex with the other triggerman, Rodney Fuller. She also arranged sex with Fuller and her daughter, who was 16, in a parking lot.

On the night before Halloween in 2002, after she prayed with her husband, Lewis got out of bed, unlocked the door to their mobile home and put the couple's pit bull in a bedroom so the animal wouldn't interfere. Shallenberger and Fuller came in and shot both men several times with the shotguns Lewis had bought for them.

On a grassy knoll beside the correctional center, those opposed to the execution protested with signs and banners in the twilight Thursday. Critics said they were repulsed by Virginia's killing of a woman. "Tonight the death machine exterminated the beautiful childlike and loving spirit of Teresa Lewis," said the condemned woman's lawyer, James Rocap.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_woman_s_execution_virginia

Lacked intelligence? Borderline retarded? A beautiful childlike and loving spirit? :wtf:

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:39 PM
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14. WTF is right.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #12
23. She also arranged sex with Fuller and her daughter, who was 16, in a parking lot.
Nice.

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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #12
73. Well, if we started putting every hypocrite to death, we throw the
population into a downward death spiral!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:49 PM
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15. Virginia is becoming the new Texas. nt
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 08:29 AM
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60. Ohio, too.
Ohio's probably going to set a record for executions this year, and everyone seems pretty excited about it.
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:59 PM
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16. Iran, Saudi Arabia and China are toasting us as fellow executioners-in-arms today
We're in such good company. We ought to start a club. Oh, wait. We have. The Countries With The Most Executions In The World Club. Cheers!
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:02 PM
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19. Indeed! eom
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:06 PM
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20. i know people like her
they can be easily manipulated. she did not deserve to die.

that`s america-a death for a death.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:08 PM
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21. I can understand the objections over her intelligence, but not her gender.
Granted, a straight up IQ test isn't really meaningful, Bush Jr. scored pretty decent on that count. But if she was truly mentally incompetent, I would object.

But gender? Not a chance. I haven't been fighting for equal pay for women, and equal treatment in jobs, and a host of other issues, only to have people whining that it's not fair to execute women, specifically, for committing murder or conspiracy/felony murder, etc.

Ridiculous. Knock it off. Oppose the death penalty if you want, I do, but don't undermine actual gender equality with this tripe.
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wookie72 Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:13 PM
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24. Especially, when, well...
gender equality would mean that no men would be executed for about 100 years to catch up.
I'm not saying women should be executed - no one should - but the death penalty is strongly biased against men. I suppose you could argue that more men commit violent crimes, but even when that is factored in there are far more men executed than women.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:17 PM
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25. The poor, the unattractive, the mentally ill, the less intelligent -- we kill.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:37 PM
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29. And the murderers.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:08 AM
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37. Not most of them: only the poor, unattractive, mentally ill, or retarded ones.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:21 AM
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38. And the ones who had their families killed.
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:51 AM
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39. Okay, seriously, enough.
Supporting the death penalty is one thing. (It's wrong, but I understand that a lot of people disagree.) But constantly, actively EVANGELIZING in support of the death penalty? That seriously makes me wonder.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 01:24 AM
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41. You saying that to S4P as well?
I'm simply making a point.
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 01:25 AM
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93. They're making a point about the implementation of the death penalty.
You're simply arbitrarily cheering its usage.

Even though I am 100% opposed to the death penalty in all circumstances, I at least understand there are differing opinions on this issue. But the fact remains that no one, NO ONE, should be as over the moon over an execution as you seem to be. Certainly not to the point that they're still able to call themselves a liberal.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 01:52 AM
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94. I fail to see how I'm "mooning" over anything.
I believe she deserved to be executed.

And yes, I call myself a liberal.

You're simply attacking because you disagree.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 01:35 AM
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43. Killing some for killing someone ....
Yeah ....
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:34 AM
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54. She wasn't executed for those reasons...
I wish we didn't have the death penalty, but you make it sound as if it's a eugenics program.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:44 PM
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34. She died without physical pain, her victims were not so lucky
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 07:07 AM
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56. Exactly.
Murderers who die by lethal injection usually get a much more peaceful, humane death than what they gave their victims.
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IrishEyes Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 01:33 AM
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42. It doesn't matter that she was a woman
It doesn't matter if she was borderline retarded. She was a horrible human being but the state should never put people to death. The death penalty is wrong. It doesn't work. She should have gotten life without the possibility of parole.
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wookie72 Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:02 AM
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62. Agreed.
IT bothers me that people seem to only care about "poster boys" (men who are obviously wrongfully convicted) or "poster girls" (pretty much any woman) when it comes to the Death Penalty. Yes, these things are horrible, but it makes it sound like when it's someone who obviously did it, then the Death Penalty's okay, but it's not.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 07:44 AM
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57. Heinous crime? Check. Certainty of agency? Check. No compelling mitigating circumstances?
Edited on Fri Sep-24-10 07:47 AM by aikoaiko

Debatable. If this were a heat of the moment crime that she did herself, her low IQ would be more compelling to me, but her actions were deliberate and thoughtful.

A final check from me.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 08:12 AM
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58. Yep, almost exactly my take
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:12 AM
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65. DU Gun Enthusiast? Check........ (n/t)
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:59 PM
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76. Paladin: Gun owner and enthusiast himself but the self-hating kind.


:hi:
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 02:14 PM
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78. I Just Find It Interesting......
....how often DU Gun Enthusiasts turn up on the hyper-conservative side of a host of other issues, like the death penalty. Could it be the kind of company you're keeping?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 02:42 PM
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79. If by the kind of company I am keeping you mean Democrats and Liberals, then yes.
Edited on Fri Sep-24-10 03:26 PM by aikoaiko
Because a majority of Democrats and Liberals support the judicious use of the death penalty.

I'm not sure I or these other Democrats and Liberals would agree that supporting the use of the death penalty in some cases is "hyper-conservative".





taken from:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/gallup-poll-who-supports-death-penalty
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:05 PM
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82. Nice.
I wonder if he'll have anything to say to that.

Something emotional sure, but fact-based? No.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 09:33 AM
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96. Like I Said, Aikoaiko: The Kind Of Company You Keep...... (n/t)
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 12:11 PM
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97. Right back at you. ;-)

;)
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 08:21 AM
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59. There are 3 or 4 people
who are currently incarcerated in my state who I wouldn't mind to see one more story about in the news (the story about their execution) then never hear their names again. Heinous animals deserve to be forgotten by society, the quickest way is to remove them permanently from society...Reginald and Jonathan Carr, Dennis Rader, Scott Roeder just off the top of my head.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 08:34 AM
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61. What I often wonder
is what kind of moral impairment you have to suffer from to participate in an execution. To kill someone who hasn't hurt you in any way and is powerless to resist just because your boss tells you to? How do you sleep after that?

I mean, who *are* these people?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:32 AM
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113. +1
:thumbsup:
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:08 AM
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63. As long as we continue capital punishment, we know that our
Country hasn't arrived at any satisfactory level of enlightenment. It is a terrible disgrace that we are among the few Countries that continues this barbaric and wrong practice.
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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:39 AM
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69. +1000
Edited on Fri Sep-24-10 09:39 AM by BuddhaGirl
:thumbsup:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:27 AM
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72. well said
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:12 AM
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66. This is what bothers me on this one:
Not that she is a woman, but her mental capacity is low ~~ that is one issue. The other issue is that the two shooters got life w/o poss of parole. Yes, she was involved in the plot to kill her husband and stepson, but the punishment doled out by the state seems very unequal.

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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 07:53 PM
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103. I unequivocally oppose the death penalty
however, be aware that 72 is low but not THAT low. As another said, if she was smart enough to plan something like this, she isnt too low on the IQ scale to be executed. (Again, I OPPOSE the death penalty, just sayin)

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:18 AM
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70. ahhh yes... now that she's executed all problems have been solved
such a grand concept for deterring others for doing the same. It's worth it even though so many have been executed wrongfully... just like tasers... so what if some die due to a pre-existing heart condition. The ends justify the means :crazy: :think:

just another example of how human emotion worsens the situation. There is no resolve, not even for the victim's family and friends. Unfortunately once a person is killed, NOTHING will bring them back or quell the pain.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:27 AM
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71. ugh. the death penalty is really morally repugnant
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:40 PM
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83. Who agrees to a plea bargain that includes the death penalty?
Who in their right mind would do that rather than go to trial?

Someone with a terrible lawyer or someone with diminished capacity to understand.

Still this disgusts me. We are so fucking barbaric in this country. Fucking animals, that's all Americans are.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:06 PM
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86. Exactly, Ma'am: There Is Something Very Off About This News Accounts Are Not Touching
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 11:51 PM
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89. someone who conspired with someone else they cared about
let's say i planned to hire a murder to profit me and my child or my lover or my dearest friend...if caught, then yah in that case i would take such a plea bargain if i had any soul and wasn't a total complete piece of trash rather than have the other person also lose their life to my stupid plan
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 12:13 PM
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98. Possibly to prevent any further shame to surviving family.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 11:50 AM
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111. Exactly, make them go to trial and prove it if they want the death
penalty. This plea bargain would not be worth it to anyone, since the state gets everything they want.
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 12:49 AM
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90. This was her SECOND attempt to kill the step-son, the first failed. -
The step-son had the large insurance policy and she had to get her husband out of the way so she would inherit the step-son's estate via her husband's estate. She pimped out her own 16 yr. old daughter to one of the gunmen to sweeten the deal and she gave them the money to buy the weapons. She was also sleeping with the other gunman.

Lot of important details missing from this article. I'm no huge fan of the death penalty but this looks pretty clear cut to me.

Much better article here> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/23/AR2010092306866.html
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 09:53 AM
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105. Unrec for inaccurate headline
Lewis was executed by the state of Virginia, not by the US.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 11:02 AM
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109. What, I thought the DP was something a country should be proud of having? Why the whitewash?
And besides, the federal government allows the states the authority to enact the DP, something it could choose not to.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:25 AM
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114. Many people outside of our country don't understand its structure
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 09:32 AM by slackmaster
Unlike most other democracies, our federal government doesn't have all-encompassing power.

And besides, the federal government allows the states the authority to enact the DP, something it could choose not to.

Not without a Constitutional amendment, which would require the consent of 3/4 of the states.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people


ETA to avoid any misunderstandings:

I do now and have always opposed the death penalty.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:36 AM
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115. All it takes is a SCOTUS saying it's cruel and unusual punishment. Poof, DP gone.
Didn't something similar happen in the 70's?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:43 AM
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116. It happened in California, but that was only temporary.
I doubt that SCOTUS will ever rule that way. Certainly not with its present composition.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:50 AM
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117. Of course not. But the legal possibility is there. -nt
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 10:51 AM
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107. I can almost hear the pleasure moans from the usual suspects.
Followed by the sound of tissues being grabbed from the box.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 11:17 AM
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110. Can we be proud we didn't stone her?
72 IQ is considered fit for trial in VA?
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 01:24 AM
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112. Why not?
If she's considered fit enough to vote, drive a vehicle and live on her own, she's fit enough to suffer the consequences of her actions.

She understood the difference between right and wrong, she just didn't care. She may have been easily manipulated but that's not a trait that's confined strictly to people with lower intelligence levels.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 06:10 PM
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118. I'm against all executions, but this especially seems a waste.
Edited on Wed Sep-29-10 06:10 PM by mvd
She was remorseful and living a positive life in jail, and seemingly reformed through the justice system. This on top of all of the questions (is she menatally challenged, what was her role, etc.)
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