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0rion Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:57 PM
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Medical evacuations in Iraq war hit 18,000
By Mark Benjamin
United Press International

WASHINGTON, March 31 (UPI) -- In the first year of war in Iraq, the military has made 18,004 medical evacuations during Operation Iraqi Freedom, the Pentagon's top health official told Congress Tuesday.

Medevacs in Iraq war hit 18,000
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:02 PM
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1. This is really the stat that gets overlooked...
The 600 dead is bad enough, but when you think about the number of medevaced, it's terrifying.

They don't just pull them out of the line and take them to Germany for cuts and scrapes. These troops have serious injuries; lost limbs, massive burns, the works.

Don't forget about these guys, they deserve to get counted.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:04 PM
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2. and if one of these evacs dies from injuries, after being evacuated
they are NOT counted as casualties, if I'm not mistaken. They are nonpersons

goddamned book-cookers :grr:
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:06 PM
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4. I keep thinking.....


As time goes on, these people will recooperate (as best they can) and return to society. We'll start seeing more and more crippled and maimed young men (women too, but mostly young men). Then the cost of the war will maybe start hitting home a little???
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:07 PM
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5. Oh, it gets much better!!!
From what I understand, once Bush declared 'mission accomplished' last May, the Army no longer considers this 'combat' and these men are only eligible for peacetime commendations.

Where's the Commander-in-Chief, speaking up for these guys?

It's disgusting, it really is.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:08 PM
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6. Correct. Yet ANOTHER similarity between Busheviks and Bolsheviks!
I hate them both for almost the same reasons. So far as I can see they only differ in degree of violence and repression (this is probably owing to different countries, different customs, and better information exchange making incidents easier to publicize) and, of course, basic economic philosophy.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:17 PM
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7. Yes, you are mistaken
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:22 PM
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8. shall I dig around in there and figure out what I'm looking for?
:shrug:
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:23 PM
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10. Yes
Look at details of medical evacuations and see that they are still counted. It's time to end this urban legend.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:29 PM
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11. to end the urban legend...
post the info. You might be right but I'm not spending all day trolling through the site. Please post the info that backs your claim, here on DU
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:30 PM
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13. You gotta look for yourself
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:33 PM
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15. not seeing anything relevant on that page
it is common courtesy to post the info to support your claim yourself
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:42 PM
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16. It's a simple matter
And I did courteously post the link to the source of information.

See for yourself where some of these servicemembers died. They include Landstuhl, Germany, Walter Reed Medical Center, and other medical facilities outside of Iraq. And they are still counted.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:48 PM
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18. ah, ok, I see that..
I was looking for info on all the evacuees, though
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:51 PM
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19. You said
"and if one of these evacs dies from injuries, after being evacuated

they are NOT counted as casualties, if I'm not mistaken. They are nonpersons

goddamned book-cookers"

And I showed that evacuees who die from injuries after medevac are still counted as casualties.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:29 PM
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12. Good link and source, but I'm confused...
How can there only be 3,439 wounded, according to this site, but 18,000 evacs, per the lead article?

It doesn't add up.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:46 PM
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17. From the article
"In both cases, Winkenwerder described the evacuations as "total evacuations out of theater," and he said both times that the majority of evacuations represented routine medical treatment and not life-threatening injuries."

"A spokesman for Winkenwerder, James Turner, said the latest figure represents multiple evacuations for single patients -- including moving some soldiers back into theater. He said the 18,004 evacuations was for 11,700 patients."

Looks like the vast majority of these medevacs are for routine medical treatment and not the wounded type incidents that lunaville tracks.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 07:49 PM
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20. Col Hackworth reports 22000 evac by last Xmas - another says under 500
not related to military duty.

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2003_archives/003009.html

David Hackworth says that we have taken a full division's worth of casualties in Iraq so far:

: ...Even I -- and I deal with that beleaguered land seven days a week -- was staggered when a Pentagon source gave me a copy of a Nov. 30 dispatch showing that since George W. Bush unleashed the dogs of war, our armed forces have taken 14,000 casualties in Iraq -- about the number of warriors in a line tank division.

We have the equivalent of five combat divisions plus support for a total of about 135,000 troops deployed in the Iraqi theater of operations, which means we've lost the equivalent of a fighting division since March. At least 10 percent of the total number of Joes and Jills available to the theater commander to fight or support the occupation effort have been evacuated back to the USA!

Lt. Col. Scott D. Ross of the U.S. military's Transportation Command told me that as of Dec. 23, his outfit had evacuated 3,255 battle-injured casualties and 18,717 non-battle injuries. Of the battle casualties, 473 died and 3,255 were wounded by hostile fire. Following are the major categories of the non-battle evacuations:


Orthopedic surgery -- 3,907
General surgery -- 1,995
Internal medicine -- 1,291
Psychiatric -- 1,167
Neurology -- 1,002
Gynecological -- 491

Sources say that most of the gynecological evacuations are pregnancy-related, although the exact figure can't be confirmed -- Pentagon pregnancy counts are kept closer to the vest than the number of nuke warheads in the U.S. arsenal. Ross cautioned that his total of 21,972 evacuees could be higher than other reports because "in some cases, the same service member may be counted more than once."

The Pentagon has never won prizes for the accuracy of its reporting, but I think it's safe to say that so far somewhere between 14,000 and 22,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines have been medically evacuated from Iraq to the USA...

The scary thing is the 18,000 "non-battle injuries" evacuated out of the theater of operations in seven months. 18000/135000 * 12/7 = .228, which means that in a year 23% of this bunch of guys and gals in their twenties and thirties are having non-war related medical misadventures serious enough to require treatment back in Germany or the USA. That's an unbelievably large accident/disease rate, and makes me very worried about what might really be going on



http://www.coastalpost.com/04/03/12.htm

March, 2004

Washington Conceals US Casualties in Iraq
By David Walsh

The Bush administration is deliberately concealing from the American people the number and condition of US military personnel who have been wounded in Iraq. The efforts by those few politicians and media figures who have pursued the issue make this clear.

Estimates on the number of US soldiers, sailors and Marines medically evacuated from Iraq by the end of 2003 because of battlefield wounds, illness or other reasons range from 11,000 to 22,000, a staggering figure by any standard. Thousands of these young men and women have been physically or psychologically damaged for life, in turn affecting the lives of tens of thousands of family members and others. And the war in Iraq is less than one year old.

A recent piece by Daniel Zwerdling on National Public Radio (January 7) highlighted some of the difficulties in establishing the truth about US casualties. Zwerdling began by noting that few Americans seemed aware of the large number of US wounded in Iraq. He questioned a few dozen people on the street about the total number of American soldiers who had died in Iraq, and most answered more or less correctly. However, when the NPR correspondent asked about the number of US military personnel who have had to be evacuated with wounds, no one was close to the actual figure. The answers ranged from a few hundred to a thousand.

Zwerdling set about finding the actual number by contacting the appropriate government and military offices. A spokesman for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told him to call US Central Command in Tampa, Florida. A spokesman there informed him that only Rumsfeld's office had such information. A spokesman for the Army provided with him the number of its personnel wounded seriously enough to be evacuated out of Iraq by the end of 2003-8,848-but he had no figures on Marines, Navy Seals or other forces. The United States Medical Command told Zwerdling they were still searching for the numbers.

Zwerdling contacted Sen. Chuck Hagel (Republican-Nebraska), a Vietnam veteran and former deputy administrator of the Veterans Administration. Hagel explained that he had been trying to obtain certain information from Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, including the "total number of American battlefield casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq. What is the official Pentagon definition of wounded in action? What is the procedure for releasing this information in a timely way to the public and the criteria for awarding a Purple Heart ?"

The Nebraska senator also wanted an updated tally on the number of US military personnel who had received Purple Hearts and the dates they were awarded. Six weeks later, Hagel received the provocative reply: the Department of Defense did not have the requested information.

The information on the number of Purple Hearts awarded is significant because it speaks to the total number of battlefield casualties.

In December, Mississippi Democratic congressman Gene Taylor raised the possibility that the Pentagon was deliberately undercounting combat casualties when he brought to light the case of five members of the Mississippi National Guard who were wounded in a booby-trap bomb explosion, but whose injuries were listed as "noncombat" by the military. The truth emerged only because Taylor happened to speak to the most seriously injured of the five at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington. Taylor indicated that he would send a memo to the other members of Congress "and ask if anyone has had a similar incident."

Other commentators have noted the discrepancy between the number of wounded in combat listed by the military and the large number of service personnel medically evacuated from Iraq, an action, one would imagine, that the military does not encourage or take lightly. In passing, for example, an article in the November 5 European edition of Stars and Stripes noted that the Landstuhl military hospital in Germany had "treated more than 7,000 injured and ill servicemembers from Iraq." At that time, the military had recorded some 2,000 combat casualties.

The Landstuhl facility, located near the huge Ramstein US airbase, reported January 23 that the total of US medical evacuations from Iraq to Germany by the end of 2003 was 9,433. The number of hostile and "non-hostile" wounded by that point listed by the Army was approximately 2,750.

Julian Borger in the Guardian last August noted the odd imbalance between combat and "non-combat" deaths and injuries. He cited the comments of Lieut. Col. Allen DeLane, in charge of airlifting the wounded into Andrews air force base near Washington, who had already seen thousands of wounded flown in and who told National Public Radio, according to Bolger, "90 percent of injuries were directly war-related."

US Casualties Mount

As casualties mounted last summer, US military officials did their best to suppress any discussion of the wounded total in particular. Only on July 10, almost four months after the launch of the invasion, CNN reported that for "the first time since the start of the war in Iraq, Pentagon officials have released the number of US troops wounded from the beginning of the war through Wednesday ."

In keeping the number of wounded from the public, the military high command was aided by the American media. Editor & Publisher Online observed in July that while deaths in combat were being reported, the many non-combat deaths were virtually ignored and the numbers of wounded, in and out of battle, were being under-reported. Questioned by E & P Online, Philip Bennett, Washington Post assistant managing editor of the foreign desk, acknowledged blandly that "There could be some inattention to ."

The sharp increase in the number of US wounded in the autumn-the official number of combat wounded alone averaged nearly 100 a week between mid-September and mid-November (lunaville.org)-made the reluctance of the military to provide figures increasingly problematic. Even the servile US media was beginning to request figures. Still the Pentagon officialdom put up as much resistance as it could.

In September 2003, the Post itself noted, "Although Central Command keeps a running total of the wounded, it releases the number only when asked-making the combat injuries of US troops in Iraq one of the untold stories in the war."

Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, one-time candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination and ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, declared around the same time that he wanted to know how many US soldiers had been wounded in Iraq, but had been unable to find out because the administration would not release the information.

An article in the October 13 New Republic by Lawrence F. Kaplan noted: "Pentagon officials have rebuked public affairs officers who release casualty figures, and, until recently, US Central Command did not regularly publicize the injured total either." Ten days later, however, E & P Online commented, "Current injury statistics were easily obtained... through US Central Command and the Pentagon, so getting the numbers is no longer a problem."

In that same New Republic piece, Kaplan discussed the state of many injured soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. He pointed out that modern medical technique meant that a far higher percentage of wounded soldiers now survived who would have died in previous wars. The use of Kevlar body armor had also reduced deaths. The result, however, was that many of the wounded were left with debilitating injuries, particularly amputated limbs. Because of the higher survival rate, information about the seriously wounded is essential to any accurate picture of the Iraq war.

Kaplan wrote: "The near-invisibility of the wounded has several sources. The media has always treated combat deaths as the most reliable measure of battlefield progress, while for its part the administration has been reluctant to divulge the full number of wounded."

The number of "combat injuries," however, is far from the whole story. That leaves out the thousands who have become physically or mentally ill in Iraq. As noted above, estimates of the real number of US servicemen and women evacuated from Iraq by the end of 2003 vary widely.

The British Observer newspaper asserted September 14 that the "true scale of American casualties in Iraq is revealed today by new figures...which show that more than 6,000 American servicemen have been evacuated for medical reasons since the beginning of the war, including more than 1,500 American soldiers who have been wounded, many seriously. The figures will shock many Americans, who believe that casualties in the war in Iraq have been relatively light."

By the end of November, Roger Roy in the Orlando Sentinel could place the number of those "killed, wounded, injured or...ill enough to require evacuation from Iraq" at approximately 10,000. Roy noted that such figures were hard to track, "leading critics to accuse the military of underreporting casualty numbers."

Mark Benjamin of United Press International (UPI) has been one of the more assiduous in pursuing an accurate total of the number medically evacuated from Iraq. On December 19, Benjamin reported that in response to a request from UPI the Pentagon had provided a figure of nearly 11,000 US wounded and medical evacuations-2,273 wounded and 8,581 medical evacuations.

Benjamin cited the comments of Aseneth Blackwell, former president of the Gold Star Wives of America, a support group for people who lose a spouse in war, who said the country had not seen such a total since Vietnam. "It is staggering," she added.

Benjamin pointed out that the Pentagon's official casualty update as of December 17 reported only 364 soldiers as "non-hostile wounded."

The largest estimate of the number of medical evacuations from Iraq is to be found in a December 30 article by retired US Army Col. David Hackworth, "Saddam's in the slammer, so why are we on orange?"

Hackworth writes, "Even I...was staggered when a Pentagon source gave me a copy of a Nov. 30 dispatch showing that since George W. Bush unleashed the dogs of war, our armed forces have taken 14,000 casualties in Iraq-about the number of warriors in a line tank division." The former colonel adds that the figure "means we've lost the equivalent of a fighting division since March. At least 10 percent of the total number" of available personnel-135,000-"has been evacuated back to the USA!"

Lt. Col. Scott D. Ross of the US military's Transportation Command told Hackworth that as of Christmas his "outfit had evacuated 3,255 battle-injured casualties and 18,717 non-battle injuries," a total 21,972 servicemen and women. Ross, however, cautioned that his figure might include some of the same service members counted more than once.

The major categories of "non-battle" evacuations included orthopedic surgery, 3,907; general surgery, 1,995; internal medicine, 1,291; psychiatric, 1,167; neurology, 1,002; gynecological (mostly pregnancy-related), 491.

Hackworth concludes that "it's safe to say that, so far, somewhere between 14,000 and 22,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines have been medically evacuated" from the war zone in Iraq.

"Treated Like Dogs"

Once back in the US, the injured are stored in dozens of military medical facilities around the country, their existence virtually ignored by the administration, their plight largely unreported by the media.

Until a public outcry improved matters, many wounded veterans, UPI reported in October, had to wait "weeks and months for proper medical help" at military facilities such as Fort Stewart in Georgia and were "being treated like dogs," according to one officer. The indifference of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld to the fate of US servicemen and women is a part of their general contempt for the broad layers of the working population, Iraqi and American.

The deliberate obscuring of the human toll of the war and occupation in Iraq is an indication of considerable nervousness within the Bush administration. Despite the official claims of overwhelming popular support, the political and media establishment knows full well that opposition to this war is growing, and that an accurate picture of the war's devastating consequences would further turn the tide of public opinion.

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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:05 PM
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3. How horrible. How many of their lives will be ruined?
As a result of their injuries?
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:22 PM
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9. i wanted to do a button series early in the war
before the war, i'm sorry i lost the link, there was something linked to take back the media. they had a bunch of pictures of ordinary iraqis. they called it baghdad snaps. i made these into buttons. after the war started i wanted to do another series- i was gonna call it collateral damage. it was gonna be pictures of iraqi children with their heads blown apart, shattered heirlooms from the baghdad museum, burning buildings, all that stuff. i did look around for pictures, but i didn't find any.

but these stories of all these damaged soldiers coming back makes me want to get out my camera, and go meet them. show people the real price of war. they think it is only trillions of dollars. phaa.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:33 PM
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14. Luckily most of those 18,004 medical evacuations are not casualties
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 07:52 PM
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21. Yep - not casualties - Col Hackworth amd others are just too worried
:toast:

peace

:-)
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 07:59 PM
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22. Splitting hairs...
The Pentagon defines a casualty as "any person who is lost to the organization by having been declared dead, duty status-whereabouts unknown, missing, ill, or injured."

And to put this in perspective for all those chickenhawk armchair generals....We have lost over an entire division of troops due to casualties. Sobering...
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rfkrocks Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:52 PM
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23. This should never have happened
Sad stories behind the 18,000-we have paid treasure and blood for what?-but hear the almighty media-"things are getting better-the iraquis police force needs a little time" Its Vietnamzation all over again-Bushco must go!
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