Chavez Says U.S. Is Behind Failed Coup Attempt Against Ecuador's Correa

Source: Bloomberg

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez says the U.S. was behind a failed uprising in Ecuador, in which President Rafael Correa claims he was held against his will in a hospital by police and soldiers protesting wage cuts.

Washington is supporting coup d’etats against an alliance of Latin American left-wing countries, known as the Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas, or ALBA, which was formed by Chavez to counter U.S. influence in the region, he wrote in his weekly column “The Lines of Chavez.”

“Let’s not forget, the failed attempt, manufactured by Washington, was looking not only to bring down Correa’s government but also the ALBA and Unasur (Union of South American Nations),” Chavez wrote in the column. The U.S. “has revived the old measure of coup d’etats to spoil plans of governments that don’t subordinate to it.”

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-03/chavez-says-u-s-is-behind-failed-coup-attempt-against-ecuador-s-correa.html

Uh-uh..not us, no sirree.

Around Europe, he is more like an entertainer, a parody of the Venezuelan strong man with the added benefit of very funny statements. He is almost like the guys with the Napoleon complex.

but protests against governments attempted asterity meassures are taking place all over the world. Still, that wouldn't prevent the USA from attempting another coup down there.
I really do tend to "blame America First" when coup d'etats, or attempted coups, occur in Latin America. It isnt like it hasnt happened again and again.....

He reflexively blames everything on the US. Pretty sure his bluster has gotten stale enough now that no one much cares anymore.

especially after the 2008 report that Ecuador's security forces had been infiltrated.

Ecuador alleges 'clear' signs of CIA infiltration
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27467756/38362191

But that wacky Chavez, who know where he gets this stuff. :sarcasm:

:sarcasm:

:)

some people reflexively dismiss everything Hugo Chavez says or does. After all, he's just a democratically-elected president tinpot dictator, right?

is absolutely committed to democratic principles. Trying to shut down media outlets that speak out against him. Once called twitter "terrorism"

why am I not surprised

the man is a freaking loon

Who defends police raids on innocent radical activists, supports the right-wing leadership in Colombia, dismisses ALL forms of Palestinian resistance to the Occupation as "terrorism" and has never expressed a single progressive or humane position in any discussion on these boards.

Why are you here when you're obviously a right-wing Republican?

The Venezuelan government was incredibly generous to the television network that participated in the planning and execution of the US-backed attempt to overthrow democracy and establish a military dictatorship in April 2002. The network was allowed to continue broadcasting its rabid anti-Chavez propaganda for another 5 years, until its license ran out and was not renewed. A US network that acted in a failed coup against a Bush would have seen its executives disappeared to Gitmo or lined up against the wall and shot.

And only here in the U.S. does anyone think that 'no one listens to him anymore'. That is because we are so isolated from the rest of the world.

Eg, while the U.S. continues to wage a propaganda war against Venezuela's democratically elected president, and never mentions how they were behind the coup against HIM in 2002, the rest of the world knows this, and he is generally highly respected elsewhere.

Eg, the Chinese, rather than try to start a proxy war with Ven. as the U.S. is doing, they have taken the simpler, less costly and far more intelligent way to get in on Venezuela's oil business. They have quietly signed contracts with Venezuela to develop their oil fields.

Why can't we do that? Oh, yes, because WAR is our business and any country that is sitting on oil and decides they want the profits to benefit their own people, are a clear target for this country.

You should stop believing the bought and paid for propaganda about South American democracies. Do some real research about the U.S.'s continuing involvement in that region of the world. Everyone else knows, why not Americans?

Condor to get the gist of it, and for a recent update, check the coup attempt against Chavez back by the Bush administration.

The kidnap plane fuels up at our base, our government never stopped funding or training the Honduran military, Lonny Davis, the Clinton's former PR guy advising the coup, Rice at the UN closing off any real discussion of the coup, Negroponte in and out of Honduras before the coup and "advising" Clinton. I'm probably forgetting something.

it" is getting a little old and tired, even for you.

and the US should stop interfering in south america.

trying to find a way to put a stop to it --

Can't imagine that anyone is still trying to deny our government's behavior!

If Obama is behind this so-called coup then we, the people who voted for Obama, should demand his removal.

in March 2009 and Honduras last summer and now this. If anything, the activity in Latin America has increased after Obama was sworn in.

This makes no sense.

Just because the US has a horrible record in the past does NOT equate guilt in the present.

If you just take the example of Honduras, the craziest right wing wackjobs like Boner were down there supporting the coupsters that Hillary also supported under the table.

It's not the past, in any way. The State Department sends millions of dollars down to the right wing wackjob opposition in those democratic countries to try to get those presidents out of power.

We do not want popular democracies in Latin America. They're very bad for business as usual. For example, Chevron is LOSING a huge case, the biggest environmental case in the history of the world -- in Ecuador. The case wasn't brought by the Correa government but has the full support of his government.

The math does itself.

with Chavez but then Chavez claims Obama-via-the CIA is behind the so-called coup.

Obama is not playing gangster-in-chief for Chevron.

How has Obama been cuddly with Chavez? He and his government have repeatedly insulted him in public?

You know, there is no longer any doubt among progressive Latin American leaders like Chavez and Correa and Morales and Lula and Lugo whose side the Obama government is on because this administration has sided with anti-democratic forces very publicly in Honduras. It's no longer an open question in the region even though most Americans don't know that.

I will be the first to admit one episode doth not a cuddle make.

But if Obama WAS signing off on corporately sponsored coups the RW would be cutting him more slack because that would make him their agent.

Heck, the RW doesn't even approve of Obama's handling of the Honduras affair. They believe the coup was justified and Obama failed to support it. I'm not saying for a moment their interpretation is the correct one but I am noting they believe Obama was wrong to support Zelaya in the early days of the coup.

I guess what I'm TRYING to say is: I'm getting a big sense of disconnect between statements that Obama is supporting RW policies and coups but the RW despises Obama when he is ostensibly their pawn.

Obama sided with the RW on Honduras. He never stopped funding the military or training them in Georgia. The plane that kidnapped Zelaya fueled up at our base. The Clintons' old PR hack, Lonny Davis, represented the coupsters to the world. Susan Rice (I think that's her name) cut off discussion of the coup in the Security Council.

But, the American RW will always call out Obama on everything no matter what he does. That's just their M.O. You can't ever go by what they say because they'll say anything. :shrug:

try to curry favor with them by signing off on a coup in Ecuador? Why would Obama get Chavez's panties in a wad if the RW will still hate him no matter what and his own bse would desert him?

Obama must be a real idiot if that's the case.

or Chavez is just flinging poo.

at this time.

This isn't about Chavez, either.

And I think Chavez is scare-mongering.

Chavez will piss-away his own legitimacy looooooong before Obama ever plots a coup to de-throne him.

More like, Chavez lost his super majority and needs something to distract the people so he makes Obama into a big, bad bogey man who will come and take everyone's freedom away...and that makes me think Chavez is more like the RW than Obama is like Chavez or the RW.

That your media tries to isolate Chavez is another matter. :)

And I'm Chavez's media is very fond of Chavez.

Greg Palast, James Petras are all Americans.

They do whatever they wish and no one dare second guess them. The only way we will have a lasting peace or democracy is to get rid of this outfit. When the CIA was founded everyone was concerned about it going rogue and Congress put in a lot of safeguards, which have been overcome through selling fear. All they have to do is plead national security and they can do anything they want.

They've betrayed them on specific instructions/projects --

and they've betrayed them as to their overall efforts for peace -- !!

They already were training fighters in Guatemala before he was sworn in, all organized during the Eisehower administration.

acually the project that became Bay of Pigs.

According to Fletcher Prouty, Ike had ordered the U-2s be grounded months before

the Paris Peace talks!

And probably much else we don't know ...

Without doubt he's right.

It's also a great way to rationalize power grabs.

The sad thing is that once a person enters into the paranoid, myopic, world where the jews/gringos/whatever are always "secretly pulling the strings", it's very hard to pull back from the delusion.

Really.

Don't take my word for it. Read the corporate media!

is the reason why A** **oles like Chavez can spread bullshit with absolutely no proof

Don't rely on tv for your information. You could end up dressed as George Washington at a protest in Washington.

From genocide to slavery --

from Texas to the Southwest -- Puerto Rico - Philippines - all of Latin America!

Nixon armed right wing Fundi Israelis and gained a US foothold in the ME --

and thereby buried peace-loving Israel. When it doesn't stay buried, they assassinate --

PM Rabin being one example!

Immediately after WWII ended, US resurrected the Mafia in Italy to keep right wing in

power and liberals out of power. Same for Japan. And many other countries!

It's that this may be a wash politically; some Democrats might not vote this November because of this policy while some republicans, moderates at that, may cross the aisle because of National Security cajones of the present admin.

Just saying.

If Obama's administration was behind this (for whatever unknown reason), surely they would have been smart enough to focus their attentions on them, not some disgruntled cops?

Maybe it was a seriously botched coup attempt, but coups don't always have to involve the US.

It kind of made me wonder what happened in those 11 hours and what the status of the army was during that time.

I need to catch up with the 'official' story but that's what I remember was going on.

If so, any hostage situation is going to take time to resolve, especially one involving the country's president.

would be a slow and careful one. Even so, I still wonder if the national police and the Air Force people who helped shut down the airports thought they'd get more support than they did.

he wasn't "in" hospital as a patient - he'd escaped "into" the hospital to get away from the police.

:hi:

Quote from here:

In pictures: Ecuador unrest
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11448098


I also heard at the time (live on CNN International) that he was hit on the head by a tear gas cannister.

This is the only news report I've found so far that relates to that incident..







Pics also posted here: http://www.businessinsider.com/potential-coup-in-ecuador-check-out-the-photos-here-2010-9#-6


:hi:

Ta. :hi:

I saw a still over the weekend of his flight from the hospital -- and it was flight because there was a gun fight going on at the time that claimed the lives of two men guarding the president.

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From the Bloomberg story:


“In response to the events that happened in Ecuador, Secretary (of State Hillary) Clinton immediately came out expressing our support for President Correa,” said Thomas Mittnacht, head of the press section at the U.S. Embassy in Caracas. “Any accusations that the U.S. had anything to do with what happened are without foundation.”

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This is a flat-out lie by Mittnacht.

On Thursday evening when the coup attempt's outcome was still in doubt, Hillary's flack Crowley in Washington said State was "closely monitoring" the situation.

Hillary did not speak to Correa until FRIDAY MORNING, when it was clear the coup/assassination attempt had FAILED.

of the way the timing and way in which the US responded when the coup against Hugo failed.

Oh, wait.






never mind.

countenance something like that. I guess I am not that cynical yet.

I, for one, do not understand this mania for screaming the US (read: Obama) is behind some plot every time Chavez is constipated.

But then in every other thread these same voices wail at the prospect of Obama's effectiveness as president being diminished should the GOP gain in the mid-terms. In fact, you can't even suggest the GOP would gain because you depress dems or something and that diminishes Obama's effectiveness.

If Obama was behind some coup effort the Democrat party, more than the GOP, should be howling for impeachment.

"Yes, but he's our bastard," doesn't cut it.

But Obama isn't a bastard which leads me to believe this is just poo flinging.

with Latin America precedes Obama and will succeed Obama.

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you'll see I referenced a 2008 report in Ecuador that their security forces were infiltrated by CIA. And now, those same forces just happened to mount this coup attempt.

What do you think? As I said, this relationship precedes Obama and it will follow him, as well.

if they conduct an operation it is because he signed-off on it.

And the article says the army rescued Correa while it was the police acting all buck-wild.

And why the heck did Correa leave these nefarious forces in if he has a report that is 2 years old? Is this his version of Bush's Aug 28, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing?

participated in the coup attempt. And no, the Correa government conducted the study and went to work on it immediately. Why? Are you saying that Correa should take less time to clean out his national police than Obama has taken to clean out the State Department or the Pentagon or the FBI? :)

the president is incompetent to frightening degree.

What's more, congress is funding these so-called plots.

Or Chavez is just flinging poo.

and State uses USAID to funnel money to the opposition in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Nicaragua, Honduras and so on.

So called plots -- they shut down the country and tried to kill the president of Ecuador. What would you call it? Protest?

But it's a mistake to make this about Obama. He's just the current occupant of the Oval Office.

got it

is a matter of public record. In the case of Bolivia, it was funneled to white separatists. Cool or what?

This is just the local version of what we did in Iraq. Bush took us there to find WMD or to prevent a mushroom cloud or to shut down the rape rooms or to bring democracy, take your pick. A lot of American cronies got really rich in the process. We've been doing this in Latin America for hundreds of years although it seems to be news to you.

is news to me.

Blaming a current episode on past misdeeds isn't sensible, it's scare-mongering.

Obama is not a RW stooge. If he were then DU is an accomplices for wanting to see Obama succeed rather than pretesting him the way we protested Fortunate Son.

Since the RW is not in power, it's not sensible to blame them or to call the president their "stooge".

restored "the democratic order" to that country.

that is engineering coups against democratically elected governments in Latin America? As I already said, I am not that cynical yet.

against democratically elected governments in Latin America?

Do you think Skinner should shut DU down until they stop?

what happened in Ecuador?

Are we playing circular questions now? :)

Can be answered with, "The US has not supported coups in Latin America since January 2009."

by legitimizing the coupsters with fake negotiations and by legitimizing an illegal election there.

...that it was involved in this. It sounds like a bunch of cops got unruly.

If it was a coup attempt, it was pretty half-baked.

and try to kill him, that's generally understood to be a coup.

ETA: Kidnap is probably the wrong word. Correa was held hostage.

And it still seems pretty half-baked. I guess some Air Force personnel participated, but the army held solid.

Can you point to any evidence of US involvement?

We do know that the national police had been infiltrated by American intelligence, per the 2008 internal report. We do know that CIA has, in the past, used personnel from that force for other operations -- they used one individual to go manage paramilitary squads in Haiti when they were turning Aristide out.

It's also significant that 6 of the top commanders have been fired, the head of the force and 5 other generals. That's in addition to the three officers that have been charged.

Especially if there are clandestine operations going on.

Some ex-pats living there said it was because Correa had wanted to cut the budget of public employees, including police, and the police just got unruly. Pretty much a tempest in a teapot, especially considering Ecuador has had seven presidents in ten years.

Correa's confrontational style learned in the U.S. is reported to be more of the problem, but no, there was no attempt on his life.

I'm finding interesting how many ex-pats find life in America much scarier than in their "third-world countries."

No, it wasn't simply unruly policemen. Much too coordinated and widespread for that. They shut down two airports, attacked the media and sequestered the president. They expected to incite an uprising but instead, the people defended their president and their government.

and not me, which was how I almost got away with it

Chavez will be there for the next 20 years he aint going no where.

Venezuela's president will be there as long as the majority of Venezuelans keep sending him to Miraflores with their votes, just like a democracy.

let Chavez tap into the multi-billion dollar line of credit with Russia.

:shrug: