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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 10:18 PM
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Students cooling on Obama, poll finds
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 10:31 PM by pstokely
Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON The Obama excitement that pervaded college campuses two years ago has faded.

An Associated Press-mtvU poll found college students cooling in their support for President Barack Obama, a fresh sign of trouble for Democrats struggling to rekindle enthusiasm among the newest voters for the crucial midterm elections in three weeks.

Forty-four percent of students approve of the job Obama is doing as president, while 27 percent are unhappy, according to the survey conducted late last month. That's a significant drop from the 60 percent who gave the president high marks in a May 2009 poll. Only 15 percent had a negative opinion back then.




Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/14/1760103/students-cooling-on-obama-poll.html



Isn't this normal for a mid term? You won't be able to get all of them out no matter what but you can get enough if them out. Probably didn't call any cell phones
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 10:29 PM
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1. what a load of shit!
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 10:30 PM by Aramchek
this was probably a landline poll taboot.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 11:18 PM
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2. Egyptian river
"The AP-mtvU Poll was conducted Sept. 20-24 by Edison Research of Somerville, N.J., and involved interviews with 2,207 randomly chosen undergraduates at 40 randomly selected four-year schools with at least 1,000 undergrads. To protect privacy, the schools were not being identified and students' names were not recorded. The survey had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points."

That's straight from the full AP article: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j7re-hKU81Y3Mux0c_tBj9Vu02SgD9IQVGF00?docId=D9IQVGF00

BTW, here's the May 2009 poll, in which President Obama got 60% approval. Similar methodology was used in both surveys, which means any sample bias would affect both equivalently.
http://surveys.ap.org/data%5CEdison%5CAPMTV%20Topline%20marginals%20May%2019.pdf

Denying there's a problem will not help with finding a solution.

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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:17 AM
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11. But the poll does not ask
why they are dissatisfied. The implication is that these students are becoming republicans, but that conclusion is dubious. Seems likely that many of these individuals are just recognizing that Obama is a corporatist, has failed to deliver on DADT, his HC and Fin. Reg. reforms were half-measures etc etc.
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 04:17 AM
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14. I think that
the administration dragging its feet over key Gay rights legislation hurts with young people (personal observation).
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 12:35 AM
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42. And now the threats on
pot in california. Thats not going to help with the youth vote.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:32 PM
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26. + 1 ...
Next question is, will they hold their noses and vote for Dems, anyway?

Same old stuff -- lesser of evils!

:)
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 03:19 PM
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38. Second that.
It means exactly nothing.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 11:35 PM
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3. Do you blame them?
I started cooling on him before the election, when I found out who his economic advisers were.

I still voted for him, but had a lot of second thoughts when he started picking his cabinet.

I never would have voted for McCain, but I don't think I could vote for Obama again.

Fool me once....Fuck you, you ain't fooling me twice.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:01 AM
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4. I won't ever again because of his contempt for educators
and most everyone else.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:51 PM
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30. the Rhode Island school debacle and Arne
not to mention the Sherrod debacle and his waffling on DADT= no way in hell will I ever tap anything with his name on it. Let their be an opposition to the right wing or let's be honest about there being no difference.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 08:24 PM
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51. I have his books. It is only through sheer laziness I have not put them
in the dumpster already since he is in my mind already an embarrassing footnote in history. I am ready for the next round and hope our rulers will not include quite so much Betrayal and Cowardice and Contempt for Supposed Inferiors.
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independent_voter Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:47 PM
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29. shame on them for caring about jobs after graduation
how selfish of them
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cowcommander Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:19 AM
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5. As long as the republicans keep putting up idiots as candidates, we don't have to worry
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:40 AM
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8. Yet, somehow, W got elected twice. nt
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:25 AM
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24. elected is dubious. Appointed once;
Ohio election fraud second time.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #24
35. But it was close enough....
that fraud was a workable option. Almost half the country voted for the SOB.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 04:17 AM
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15. Or maybe we have to worry even more
because these idiots will be getting elected for the same reasons that the students are losing interest. If your choice is somebody from one party that is currently not delivering on promises and an idiot, many will choose the idiot, especially since they do not realize just the extent of how much of an idio the candidate is. Remember, not everybody spends time on political discussion boards. Most only hear the ads that are flooding the airwaves due to the new corporate influx of donations.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #5
57. I Wish
I could believe this. The not worrying part, not the idiots for candidates.
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:34 AM
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6. Major Emergency
Quick, break out the Reality Extinguishers. I'm doubting this story gets any traction, except for those who want to deny to the bitter end that their marketing campaign has faltered and that people prefer actual solutions to excuses and betrayals.

The reason Scott Brown won in Massachusetts is that turnout was way off in traditionally Democratic areas. If that pattern holds for the Yes We Can (sic) brigades, it will be a disaster in the mid-terms.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #6
48. The marketing campaign faltered..
because the product sucks.

The first rule in marketing is to never oversell the goods. If you tell everyone that your sugar water is pure hope in a bottle that will change their lives forever, then you better not be selling nasty toxic sludge in a pretty package, because no one will buy that shit twice.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:40 AM
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7. Just students?
Color me shocked. Oh, wait. Never mind.
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Barbara2423 Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:05 AM
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9. Polls are suspicous.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 04:02 AM
Response to Reply #9
13. Agree. Only site I ever look at anymore is 538
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:11 AM
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10. Oooh, 27% unhappy, up from 15%
That's a skeeery poll.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 03:48 AM
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12. +1. 12% one way or another, never matters in an election, let alone a mid-term.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:19 AM
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22. With a MOE of 3
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 04:20 AM
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16. Hard to know if these students were Obama voters or Democratic voters
If they were Obama voters, they may not have voted in mid-terms, even if they were over the moon about Obama's performance.
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 05:02 AM
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19. Many of these voters for Obama and didn't even look at the rest of the ballot
May never show up at the polls again until the get old and turn Repuke. These voters have no interest in politics
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 04:35 AM
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17. Well, when you promise "change" and deliver the same old song and dance
it really isn't surprising.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:21 AM
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23. One thing "Change" meant was ending gridlock and incivility in Washington.
He didn't deliver that. Why? Because the Repubckucans delivered the "same old song and dance"
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #23
33. Oh he's very civil to the Republicans. Just not "Professional Leftists"
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:05 PM
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28. Oh yeah, for college students...
Increased pell grants, direct government student loans, increases in community college funding, kept on parents' health insurance, Iraq War over, Afghanistan withdrawal to start next year. Oh yeah, that's just exactly the same as Bush. :eyes:

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:50 PM
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36. "Iraq War over, Afghanistan withdrawal to start next year"
Edited on Fri Oct-15-10 02:51 PM by ixion
Don't you get dizzy from all that spinning?

If the 'war' is 'over', then why are we still there?

Ditto for Afghanistan. I'll be asking you this question a year from now.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. Why are we still in Germany, Japan and S Korea?
Military presence does not mean we are conducting a war.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #39
43. fighting means we are conducting a war.
We are not fighting in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. We are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #39
52. That's actually a good question! Why *ARE* we there? (NT)
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chidy Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 04:47 AM
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18. um, "it's the economy, Stupid?"
if i were a college student right now, i'd be pretty pissed off. obama made lots of pretty noises during the campaign, but what has he delivered to your avereage 21yo? it's not like there are so many jobs that recent grads or students feel confident about their futures. let's not even go there wrt to banks and lending, good luck getting a mortgage or small business loan if you're young. student loan debt? higher than ever, and more predatory than ever in terms of collections. education budgets? slashed and cut left and right, with no real federal help in sight. legalizing mj? gay rights? ending the wars? ha ha, don't make me laugh; this administration has literally insulted people working on those issues, democratic people, baldly and blatantly ("get a job," "you need to be drug tested," "grow up" etc).

it's hard to imagine how a "democratic" administration could do more to turn off young voters. it's fashionable to call today's american youth "stupid" and "uniformed," but if they are in fact rejecting this administration, i can only call them wise.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 07:10 AM
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20. Cooling on politics is probably more accurate. nt
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:07 AM
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21. Is ANYBODY warming to Obama?
Other than Health Insurance executives and Wall Street tycoons?

In the words of the sage: "How's that Hopey, Changey stuff workin' for ya?"

:hi:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:14 AM
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25. Hmm. U of Wisconsin. Feingold. Rally with Obama on short notice. 26,000 students
17,000 students packed the mall + an extra 9,000 outside who couldn't fit in. Obama has really lost the youth vote, I can tell.

http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-100928-obama-madison-visit,0,4743986.story

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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:56 PM
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27. +1
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. And this proves... what?
He's the president of the United States. Even Republicans would go see him speak at a school.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:05 PM
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34. To a rally?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:59 PM
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37. LOL. I wouldn't have gone to a rally for Bush1, Reagan, Bush2, or Nixon if you paid me.
I got to see Dwight Eisenhower in a motorcade in Honolulu when I was a little kid, but that was different -- I was a little kid and he was a very different Republican from his successors.

What sort of Repub would go to an on-campus political rally for Feingold and Obama? And why -- so they could feel the love?

Hekate
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #25
44. maybe they showed up for Feingold?
Feingold is popular with the students; Obama is not.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 12:58 PM
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45. LOL. Trying really hard, aren't we?
Were they by any chance chanting things at him, like "Yes We Can" or "Fired Up"?

Film at 11.

Hekate
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #44
50. More likely it was for the free rock concert..
and prime chance to socialize on a light week for studies, in beautiful fall weather.
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 07:30 PM
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53. They probably had to wait a while in the security checkpoints
nt
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:54 PM
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32. I think this will be reflected in the lack of voting next month.
Passive, uninterested, not motivated. Will not vote, IMO.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:56 PM
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40. logical....
"The Obama excitement that pervaded college campuses two years ago has faded."

....when cold water is dumped on your fire, you cool down....
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DeltaLitProf Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:10 PM
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41. A lot of them could get no summer jobs
A lot of their parents have also been laid off or have taken pay cuts. What was it James Carville used to say back in 92?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #41
46. Due to pugs and their purse strings, money hoarders.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #46
55. C'mon it was Barack Obama's economic "advisors"
and HIS treasury dept who shoveled hundreds of billions into the bankster's pockets...

And did diddly-squat for the average worker...
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 01:38 PM
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47. Students tend to be liberal.
Obama has shown he is not.

This sounds perfectly believable to me.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 04:37 PM
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49. Not at the Wisconsin campus where I teach.
This sounds like more Corporate bullshit to demoralize the left. I'm not buying it.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:36 AM
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54. Don't know why they shouldn't be cooling on Obama
The first thing Obama does is widen the wars, increase the war budgets, shovel TRILLIONS at the banksters and really not do SHIT for Main Street.

He and the callow Dems should have created a new WPA to get people back to work. But instead he hires the same fucked up "economic advisers" that Clinton had -- the boys from Goldman Sachs -- who finished the job of making the conditions RIPE for collapse...

And of course those assholes made their friends richer while IGNORING the cries of the unemployed, underemployed and poor...

Now the kids in college are seeing tuition increases and no chance at a decent job when (if they can afford to) graduate!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:32 AM
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56. Obama or the republicans? - either way we're screwed! to have to endure the BS. is quite bothersome.
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