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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 02:31 AM
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Subsidy for eight nuclear reactors rejected
Edited on Tue Oct-19-10 02:36 AM by kristopher
Source: Financial Times

Subsidy for eight nuclear reactors rejected

By Sylvia Pfeifer


Ministers said they would not rule out taking on “financial risks” as the government paved the way for eight new nuclear reactors, but they insisted there would be “no subsidy” for new nuclear power.

“This means there will be no levy, direct payment or market support for electricity supplied or capacity provided by a private sector new nuclear operator, unless similar support is also made available more widely to other types of generation,” said Chris Huhne, secretary of state for energy and climate change.

He made the remarks on Monday as he unveiled a revised draft national policy statement outlining a need for new reactors and gave the go-ahead for operators to use two new designs, Westinghouse’s AP1000 and Areva’s EPR.

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The government nevertheless expects about half of the new energy generating capacity built in the UK by 2025 to come from renewable sources – the majority of which is likely to be wind....


Read more: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/05a43498-daeb-11df-a5bb-00144feabdc0.html



This is what the future energy landscape looks like if the new conservative government actually gets this launched and it is the information potential investors are looking at. IMO it is the most relevant part of the 23 page investment analysis.

If your primary goal was to make money building nuclear power plants, what would your attitude be towards renewable energy and climate change?

(Note to mods - this is not copyrighted material)
Pan-Europe Utilities (Citi) Industry
2 Dec 2008
"New Nuclear – The Economics Say No"
What the market should not take for granted

GDP impact on demand and load factors

Consensus view is that electricity demand in the wide European region will grow by 1.5% p.a. over the next couple of decades. This is a view shared by UCTE in its latest System Adequacy Report. Although it is virtually impossible to produce irrefutable electricity demand forecast we are tempted to argue that the risks are on the downside since:

1. During the boom years of 2003-07, when GDP growth was strong and infrastructure investment high on the back of very liquid debt markets and due to the convergence of the new EU joiners, electricity consumption grew by 2.1% p.a.

2. Energy efficiency is likely to become a bigger driver as technology advances and as awareness rises. It is important to highlight that such measures also fall under the Climate Change agenda of governments, which has been one of the driving forces behind the renaissance of new nuclear.

As a result, we would expect electricity demand growth to be in the 0-1% range for at least the next 5 years, before returning to more normal pace of 1.5-2%. We therefore see scope for an extra 346TWh of electricity that needs to be covered by 2020 vs. 2008 levels.

Should EU countries go half way towards meeting their renewables target of 20% by 2020 that would be an extra ca. 440TWh. Even if EU went only half way, which by all means is a very conservative estimate, that would still be ca.220TWh of additional generation. Under its conservative ‘scenario A’ forecast, UCTE expects 28GW of net new fossil fuel capacity to be constructed by 2020. On an average load factor of 45% for those plants that’s an extra 110TWh.

Therefore under very conservative assumptions on renewables, we can reliably expect an extra 330TWh of electricity to be generated by 2020, leaving a shortfall of 16TWh to be made up by either energy efficiency or new nuclear.

There are currently 10GW of nuclear capacity under construction/development, including the UK proposed plants that should be on operation by 2020. If we assume that energy efficiency will not contribute, that would imply a load factor for the plants of 18%. Looking at the entire available nuclear fleet that would imply a load factor of just 76%. We do believe though that steps towards energy efficiency will also be taken, thus the impact on load factors could be larger.

Under a scenario of the renewables target being fully delivered then the load factor for nuclear would fall to 56%.

(Bold in original)

Citigroup Global Markets European Nuclear Generation 2 December 2008



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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 07:58 AM
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1. That's fine and dandy, but wake me up when they pull the subsidies for the oil industry. nt
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 08:39 AM
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3. + 1000 Million
Or should I make that anywhere from $300 Billion to (who the hell really knows) $$$...

Year FRACKING in and year FRACKING out! Kill oil and coal subsidies. WTF?!?
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 08:35 AM
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2. Energy eficiency, yes. New renewable energy and nuclear power, yes. Continued use of coal power, NO!
Edited on Tue Oct-19-10 08:37 AM by txlibdem
The gov't of all countries should be giving rebates direct to the homeowner/consumer for energy efficiency improvements and installing renewable energy. There should be unlimited money in the form of well crafted loan guarantees for utility scale renewable energy projects and nuclear power plants. If the budget needs shoring up then raise fees and taxes on coal at all stages of production and use that revenue (by law) only for renewable energy rebates and projects.

Damn, I must be some kind of freakin' jean'yus or sumthing. Why in hell the politicians can't figure this out is beyond me!

PS, I am against the Feed In Tariff for any and all things. It is, in my view, counter productive.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 10:06 AM
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4. There is no problem that gets unlimited funds - especially a problem on the scale of AGW
Edited on Tue Oct-19-10 10:27 AM by kristopher
You may not like it but in the real world the cost of building the technologies matters more than almost anything else. If you want to fix the problem come back down to earth and join the real fight in the real world.

Nuclear is a third rate solution both environmentally and economically; and if you want to see the way it directly conflicts with the deployment of renewables read the report from citigroup.

In addition to his outstanding 2009 paper charting the actual costs of nuclear power vs predictions, Cooper did a very informative study that was just released examining the way deploying these technologies conflicts with each other. When you build nuclear, you don't need renewables; when you build renewables, you don't need nuclear.

The press release reads in part
...Cooper's study, which VLS (Vermont Law School - K) is publishing today on the Institute for Engergy and Environment website, is titled "Policy Challenges of Nuclear Reactor Construction: Cost Escalation and Crowding Out Alternatives. Lessons from the U.S. and France for the Effort to Revive the U.S. Industry with Loan Guarantees and Tax Subsidies."

Key study findings include the following:

* Nuclear reactors are not cheaper in France. Both the U.S. and French nuclear industries have experienced severe cost escalation in recent years. Measured in 2008 dollars, U.S. and French overnight costs were similar in the early 1970s, about $1,000 per kilowatt (kW). In the U.S. they escalated to the range of $3,000 to $4,000 per kW by the mid-1980s. The final reactors were generally in the $5,000 to $6,000 range. French costs increased to the range of $2,000-$3,000 in the mid-1980s and $3,000 to $5,000 in the 1990s. The report finds that the claim that standardization, learning, or large increases in the number (and size) of reactors under construction will lower costs is not supported in the data.

* In France and the U.S. building nuclear reactors and central station facilities crowd out energy efficiency and renewable energy. The French track record on energy efficiency and renewables is poor compared to similar European nations. In the U.S., past nuclear construction future nuclear plans appear to crowd out alternatives - a trend that would worsen significantly under large-scale subsidization of nuclear reactors, which mirrors the French model. States in which utilities have not expressed an interest in getting licenses for new nuclear reactors have a better track record on efficiency and renewable and more aggressive plans for future development of efficiency and renewables. With respect to efficiency and renewable energy the "no nuclear plans" U.S. states have (in comparison to U.S. "nuclear states"): had three times as much renewable energy and ten times as much non-hydro renewable energy in their 1990 generation mix; set Renewable Portfolio Standards (RPS) goals for the next decade that are 50 percent higher; spent three times as much on efficiency in 2006; saved over three times as much energy in the 1992-2006 period; and have much stronger utility efficiency programs in place.
* The U.S. would have even more to lose in terms of renewables than France if it followed France's model of more nuclear power. According to the new report, the U.S. has a much greater opportunity to develop alternatives not only because the cost disadvantage of nuclear in the U.S. is greater, but also because the portfolio of alternative resources is much greater in the U.S. The U.S. consumes about 50 percent more electricity per dollar of gross domestic product per capita than France, which has the highest electricity consumption among comparable Western European nations. The U.S. has renewable opportunities that are four times as great as Europe...


POLICY CHALLENGES OF NUCLEAR REACTOR CONSTRUCTION, COST ESCALATION AND CROWDING OUT ALTERNATIVES
LESSONS FROM THE U.S. AND FRANCE FOR THE EFFORT TO REVIVE THE U.S. INDUSTRY WITH LOAN GUARANTEES AND TAX SUBSIDIES

MARK COOPER SEPTEMBER 2010

You can download the full study at VLS's website:
http://www.vermontlaw.edu/Academics/Environmental_Law_Center/Institutes_and_Initiatives/Institute_for_Energy_and_the_Environment/News_and_Publications.htm

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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 06:24 AM
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5. What you say is only true if coal and oil subsidies are continued
End all subsidies and tax breaks for fossil fuels and renewable energy projects will be swimming in cash.

I'm not even including the untold hundreds of billions each year spent on military resources to keep the Straight of Hormuz and other oil pipelines "safe for Democracy." America should put the rest of the developed world on notice that we will no longer be footing the entire bill for keeping the oil flowing any longer. Pony up or we pull out!
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 12:08 AM
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6. That would only help a small amount.
The amount of subsidies to the petroleum industry, while very large in real dollar terms, is at the same time extremely small in relation to the overall size of the industry.

Simply eliminating those subsidies would affect the balance of value between renewables and fossil fuels virtually not at all.

Not subsidizing nuclear on the other hand, is a very bitter pill for them and it is high time for them to swallow it.

If you want to really boost renewables we need some sort of policy that signals investors in the market that their future revenues are more protected by investing in renewables and energy efficiency than in fossil fuels. One such signal is that carbon tax, another is the withholding of subsidies from nuclear which is a critical blow to the primary market competitor facing renewables.

Did you read the Citigroup report in the OP?
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 03:52 AM
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7. At least you are consistent in your support for the coal industry and their subsidies
Congratulations on your ideological purity in favor of the coal industry.

I won't waste much of my time responding to your incorrect assertions but to say that you really, really need to look into the truth of how many BILLIONS of dollars go to subsidize the coal and oil industries each and every year. While it may be small in relation to the total size of the fossil fuel industry it dwarfs all subsidies for renewable energy and the loan guarantees the nuclear industry are able to beg and plead for (and have only been made possible in the last year or so). And when you include the cost of the US military keeping the world safe for oil it would almost equal the profits generated by Exxon or one of the other big oil companies.

For the life of me I don't understand why you claim to be pro renewable energy while at the same time spreading so much incorrect information about the fossil industry, its obscene profits, and its obscene government subsidies.
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