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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:10 PM
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U.S. congressman calls for YouTube to remove videos featuring militant
Source: CNN

(CNN) -- A New York congressman sent a letter to the chief executive of YouTube Sunday, asking that the company remove all videos featuring Anwar al-Awlaki -- a man the congressman called the "bin Laden of the internet."

Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-New York, made the request one day after the online appearance of a new al-Awlaki video. The Yemeni-American cleric and militant has been linked to al Qaeda terrorists in Yemen, where he is believed to be in hiding.

Weiner said that hundreds of al-Awlaki videos are available on YouTube, with a combined total of more than 3.5 million views.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/10/24/youtube.al.awlaki/index.html



I expected the author to be a Republican, since Republicans and conservatives are usually first to diss Islam. But it turned out to be a Democrat. Regardless: YouTube is a private company and has every right to regulate its content, and al-Awlaki's speech can't be protected by First Amendment if he's advocating terrorism.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:15 PM
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1. this is from his letter
"I understand that YouTube is a clearing house for ideas and that your company aims to not infringe on free speech, but al-Awlaki's message, promoted via YouTube, has caused violence and is a threat to American security," Weiner wrote. "I request that you remove this man and his hateful rhetoric from your website, as he poses a clear and present danger to American citizens."

it sounds pretty reasonable to me

it's not meant to silence political speech but criminal

I doubt anyone would want Youtube to host videos by any group or individuals calling for violence against blacks or gays for examples

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:25 PM
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2. This is not dissing Islam.
Just as Islam does not equal terrorists, this terrorist does not equal Islam. Al-Awlaki is a real bad guy and I hope the CIA exterminates him soon.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 06:55 AM
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10. Apart from the ending of your sentence you are 100% correct
I'd prefer a trial (it's the pacifist in me, sorry) but you are correct: dissing Awlaki is NOT dissing Islam because muslims are not terrorists.

BTW - Did you catch that, Juan Williams?
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:32 PM
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3. Sounds like a fair request
as long as he is advocating terrorism and violence
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:41 PM
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4. He should do the same for any republics terraist... uh...candidate, who advocate
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 11:42 PM by Amonester
using violence in order to 'overthrow' the big spending democrats...

I'm not holding my breath...
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:56 AM
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12. Agreed. The Congressman is one-sided in his efforts to censor.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:37 AM
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5. Now wait . . .

This is the same person Obama has ordered to be killed.

In other words, he's convicted without a court and he's otherwise never going to have a day there to defend himself. If particular vids advocate violence, I believe it can be flagged, and Youtube, in my experience, seems to removed flagged vids first and asks questions later.

In other words, his vids that advocate or spread terrorism are already covered under Youtube's rules. For all else, I think he should get a say.

And Youtube should politely tell the honorable Congressmen to butt out, or get on there himself with an Arab translator and flag the offending videos.

BTW, if there's too many vids flagged, Youtube will pull his channel.
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:40 AM
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6. YouTube should decide whether to or whether not to remove the content
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herbm Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:16 AM
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14. Interesting concept: private companies enforcing terror laws and gatekeeping personal rights. No
conflict there. AND two examples of privatization of gov't function in our rise to Technocray where vague shadowy industry groups have Constitutionaly guarenteed rights that surplant individual rights. The machine is free and the cogs aren't.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 05:16 AM
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7. "and al-Awlaki's speech can't be protected by First Amendment if he's advocating terrorism"
If that were true, then most speeches given by any US official would not be protected as well, since the US advocates a brand of terror all it's own.

I find it laughable whenever a US government official starts whining about "terrorists," given that the US is the largest sponsor of state sanctioned terror.
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herbm Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:17 AM
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15. There is a difference between advocating terrorism and inciting riot.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:50 AM
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17. Indeed there is. Advocating and carrying out terrorism is much worse...
thanks for making the distinction more clear.
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herbm Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:57 AM
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18. OK. Advocating terror and inciting acts of terror. Talking about terror is not neccesarily recruiti
g specific acts of terror. Saying the US needs a revolution (it may or may not) is not signing armies and arming squads.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:06 AM
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19. I just don't understand why you support one terrorist group and attack another
and, in fact, you attack the weaker group and defer to the more virulent and dangerous.

No, sir, I don't get it. Terror is terror and murder is murder, no matter who sanctioned the act.
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herbm Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 01:54 PM
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20. Why should it be illegal to suggest such a thing. It certainly beats current stategy. But they
tend to kill each other on and off anyway. "They enemy of my enemy is my freind." But were you inciting to terror or only making free speech? Was I speeking freely about it with you or was I entering into a conspiracy? It is free speech.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:06 PM
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21. I agree that it is free speech...
so I'm not sure if we're even disagreeing. :toast:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 05:19 AM
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8. Goldstein managed to pop up on the telescreens of Oceania, didn't he? Nobody could figure out how
he managed to continue doing that.

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LawnKorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 05:42 AM
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9. This leads a person to wonder how many times requests for removal have happened in the past
It would be interesting to see the number of requests YouTube has honored from the Government for censorship that were never made public.

One Democratic Congressman get outed by YouTube calling for video removal, but how many Republican requests get honored with nary a word of disclosure?
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herbm Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:18 AM
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16. I think the Gov't should tell us what they're doing in our name and the mech is that Utube report it
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 06:56 AM
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11. oh no! i just viewed one of his videos but i did learn...
that he was busted for lying down with the Great Satan `s whores in california.

best to expose these cock roaches to the light of day.
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herbm Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:10 AM
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13. I bet the Congressman thinks (just like any teabagger) he's a stong defender of free speech.
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