Anti-American Voices Get Louder Across Iraq

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=3&u=/nm/20040402/ts_nm/iraq_hatred_dc

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"There's an increasing feeling of anti-Americanism definitely," said Paola Gasparoli of Occupation Watch, an independent organization that monitors the occupation.

"It's like all their hopes were destroyed. Families who had some hope the Americans would help Iraq (news - web sites) now have sons who were killed or arrested, houses destroyed. This hope has died."

The U.S. authorities in Iraq cite polls showing that a vast majority of Iraqis are happy to have them in the country.

But one survey of 2,500 Iraqis released in March found that while they were happy to be rid of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), 41 percent said they were humiliated by the invasion, four in 10 had no confidence in occupation troops, and one in five believed attacks on foreign soldiers in Iraq were justified.

You think things are ugly now? They're going to get exponentially worse. :(

What does that mean in military terms? Kill half the population?

The #1 risk for Americans is to be associated with bush. The minute we get him out of the White House, the risk decreases. It will take 25 years to repair the damage he has done in the world, but by voting him out of office, we will show the world that we favor the logic of peace over the immoral violence of this administration.

The troops are standing in there, grunts, on the ground, and know its Bullshit. The people of Iraq are becoming increasingly angry as Bremer keeps making his Horseshite pronouncements, and the US public, I would hope, will start to freak out at some point if they EVER connect the goddamn dots as to why the monies had to EVER be poured into Iraq, which never hurt us in the first place.
Indeed, as Michael stands in Baghdad in front of the prison, knowing full well this is Bullshit, I wonder every day how he will survive that hell and come back even remotely whole, alive, or even be the same person at all.
An un believeable mess. Beyond belief, and we all knew it would happen. Everyday gets worse, and I think of the mothers and fathers of the children who died over there and the mothers and fathers of the soldiers who died, like Sue Niedermer's son, and what all the families on both sides are going thru whose loved ones wont come back or are maimed for life.
In the meantime, Bush and his friends are living quite well and continuiing to spin the lies.
I cannot forgive anyone who has supported the Bush admin, I really dont think I can, as the truth of what they did is revealed.

This an interesting article from yesterday in Newsweek online...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4646687/

Occupational Hazards

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Still, the analogy holds true in one big and basic way: occupation is occupation. And no matter what the ideologies involved, occupiers are doomed to be resented, at the very least, and blamed for everything that goes wrong. U.S. authorities have applied a bit of psychoanalysis to this phenomenon. At a briefing to mark the first anniversary of the Iraq war earlier this month, one senior Coalition official said it had to do “with the psychological mindset of the average Iraqi. For 35 years everything that happened in this country—good or bad, and it was mostly bad—was attributable to the government. if something’s wrong, it’s the government’s fault.”

He went on to explain the resentment that many Iraqis display toward Americans these days: “Underneath it all is an unhappiness at being occupied. They feel somewhat guilty that they weren’t able to liberate themselves. There’s a perverse resentment that we liberated them.” Still, the fury in Fallujah that shocked us all is a lot more intense than resentment. It feels like hatred, as if many Iraqis who hated Saddam Hussein have now transferred their animosity to Uncle Sam.

CPA officials have long predicted an “uptick” in anti-U.S. insurgent activity as they prepare for the June 30 transfer of sovereignty to Iraqi institutions. March 2003 has the dubious honor of being the second-deadliest month for U.S. troops since President Bush declared an end to major combat operations on May 1 of last year. In all, 50 American soldiers died in March. (The most deaths in a single month was 82 killed last November when a number of aircraft were downed.) Meanwhile the number of foreign civilians targeted by insurgents—including the four Western military contractors whose corpses were desecrated in Fallujah—continues to climb.

As long as the security situation remains so dire—and the state of Iraqi security forces so fragile—the Coalition’s military presence here must remain muscular and visible. That, in turn, will continue to trigger anger and despair from those Iraqis who cannot tolerate being occupied or dominated by a foreign power. It’s a Catch-22. Coalition authorities are no doubt correct when they say the number of Iraqis who’ve taken up arms against the U.S. occupation represents “a very very small minority.” Still these guys—many of them Saddam’s former army or intelligence officers—are armed, professionally trained and highly motivated. And their ability to make high-profile hits against Coalition targets, both military and civilian, makes them potent beyond their numbers.

"The U.S. authorities in Iraq cite polls showing
that a vast majority of Iraqis are happy to have
them in the country."

How many of those polled are just afraid to say
otherwise? We have put thousands of Iraqis in
prison with no legal recourse. They are in prison
because they are enemies of the American regime.

What would you say when you were asked?

The Resistance Forces are throttling the Aggressor



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HERE IS WHAT THE OPENING PAGE SAYS


TIME TO BOMB THE SUNNI TRIANGLE?


TIME TO WIPE OUT THE VICIOUS INHUMAN BASTARDS?

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Leaflet and Bomb Sunni Triangle?
Be Sensitive to their needs?

seems a rather cheap substitute for the statue that bush expected to be erected in his honor in downtown Baghdad. fallujans should erect a mock statue, and inscribe on it "The Great Fibberator."

They are living with constant knowledge of just how bad it is to get on our wrong side for any reason.

I know I'd lie if violent occupiers asked me if everything was A-OK.

Welcome to DU, happyending! :hi: :hi: :hi:

Just ran across this figure while I was reading the news -

"there are 13,000 prisoners in Iraq, detained without trial"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1182349,00.html

Bush and the media have been trying to convince us that
the violence in Iraq is due to outsiders who have come
into Iraq for purposes of terrorism.

It seems likely that they have just been trying to mislead us.
Not to say that there are no foreign terrorists in Iraq
these days, there probably are. But there was no Iraq/al Quida
alliance, Iraq was not a threat to the US and there were
no WMD. So, what is our business there?

The Iraqis want us gone but my guess is that we are not leaving.
Bush and his merry band of thieves want us to have a big
military presence in that part of the world.

I am not a religious guy, but, really, God help us.
We are in bad trouble.

The swaggering desert camo flak vest wearers in blue jeans with their M-16 A4 knockoffs, have been exposed as a Mercenary Army.

They have a face and a name now. We were told they were State Dept Employees. Now we know they are mercenaries, hired by a number of black ops companies.

That they were there to deliver food in 2 small cars wearing flak jackets carrying their machine guns is ludicrous.

They are contact Thugs who shoot first and ask questions later.

I'm shocked at how many mercenaries there were. I had no idea. We are lucky this came to light. Can't you just see the rw planning to use their private armies on us "leftists traitors" someday. Hell yeah. We got to make them illegal as soon as possible. This goes under the "HELL FUCKING NO" category. Someone needs to start a mercenary-watch.org. NOW!!!!!!!!!!

that's just the official figure.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

It is difficult in the extreme to get honest answers from Westerners - social desirability bias, leading questions etc.

How anyone expects surveys of people who have been living under totalitarian rule for 30 years to have any validity is beyond me.

On the upside, these surveys are a good way of measuring what Iraqis think the occupiers want to hear, which could be useful in its own right.

With all our intelligence and yet we spend wildly on mighty force to plunder a small nation like Iraq for it's natural resource and no ones counting the millions of gallons that are going out everyday while our gas prices are raising as fast as the blood is flowing.

James Baker said the other day, that Iraq's debt is beyond the point to ever pay back. But earlier before the war we were being told that the oil would rebuild the country and pay the military expense to take Saddam Hussein's WMD out

It does look like were were snowed and it will be Iraq that will be taking us out. Financially. So indirectly Saddam won, bin Laden is still loose, and we have hundreds of dead soldiers higher gas prices, and every other country in the world is pissed at us.

We are stupid!!!

The per capita spending is bound to be even more skewed.
We out spend UK spend U.K. by a factor of 10 but I don't think
the U.S. population is 10 times the UK.

The per capita spending for Germany and France must be even lower than in the U.K.

We're a rich country but we won't be for long if we keep persuing these financially destructive wars and occupations.

Thanks again for the graph!

"A week ago, for example, after rebels ambushed a military convoy and killed a Marine at the edge of town, the Marines retaliated with a force of more than 600 troops who stormed the city, invading selected houses and drawing out insurgents.

One Marine died in the fighting. Also killed were an ABC cameraman and at least five Iraqi civilians.

At least 25 civilians were reported wounded in the bloody street battles that lasted into the night March 26 and more were said to have been killed or wounded on the outskirts of town last weekend.

In most cases the Marines used remarkable restraint, even after being ambushed and bombed in the streets and alleyways. But in other cases they kicked in doors, blasted their way into homes, and, in at least one case, a sniper killed an unarmed man in his home without first making any attempt to capture or question him."

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/04/02/military/iraq/21_33_594_1_04.txt

It is a sham designed to seem that the US is turning over
power to the Iraqis. I predict that there will be a Shi'ite
uprising sometime in July. Iraqis are now seeing that the US
deems Iraq a colony of the US. Buscho "liberated" Iraq to
dominate the territory, control commerce and the people.
It will not stand!

Children joined in as jubilant crowds played with the charred bodies, dragging them like trophies through the streets

The U.S. authorities in Iraq cite polls showing that a vast majority of Iraqis are happy to have them in the country.

"It's an active battle. It's as important for us to win the moral battle, the trust and confidence as it is to provide a safe and secure environment for the people of Iraq."

As they did throughout our last failed war: Vietnam. We now have Iraq-Nam! The Mercenaries found that out the hard way. Some people never learn from history...

The Iraqis must have the same polling companies we have:) I bet they don't believe a word of it.

,...and had the power of over 150 billion bucks,...I could distribute merely a fraction of that money (LITERALLY) and make each and every citizen of Iraq a millionaire in their own country. On the other hand, I could take half that money $150 billion and also make each and every citizen of the USA a multi-millionaire. Think about it.

I mean.. Iraq is still pretty damn torn up. How are they polling, exactly? duh!

US Pravda Polling methods are top secret!

They are pulling numbers out of their rectums.

And incredibly, the sheeple are gobbling it up like fudge.

1//Inter Press Service April 1, 2004

http://www.ips.org/index.htm


from the World Media Watch...About Fallujah, but much of it pertains to all of Iraq

FALLUJAH PUNCTURES WASHINGTON’S OPTIMISM

Analysis by Jim Lobe

1//Inter Press Service, Italy--ANALYSIS: FALLUJAH PUNCTURES WASHINGTON’S OPTIMISM (… Iraq suddenly, if gruesomely, recaptured the headlines with Wednesday's horrific killings of four private U.S. security contractors, whose fiery and grisly end at the hands of an angry mob in the chronically rebellious city of Fallujah was caught on videotape…The pattern of these attacks suggested to T.X. Hammes, a senior military fellow at the Institute for National Security Studies who just returned from a two-month assignment in Iraq, that occupation forces face a real insurgency that will not be defeated in the short term. ''They plan to beat us'', he wrote, adding that the opposition now consists of disparate groups who are loosely allied ''to drive the U.S.-led coalition out of Iraq''. The ''quality'' of the mob's violence in the attack on the four security workers -- all former members of U.S. Special Operations Forces -- also struck Juan Cole, an Iraq specialist at the University of Michigan, as both remarkable and ominous.)