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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:02 PM
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President Obama Signs Order To Reform Faith-Based Office
Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON (RNS) President Obama signed an executive order Wednesday (Nov. 17) that reforms the White House's faith-based office in a bid to improve transparency and clarify rules for religious groups that receive federal grants.

The nine-page order reflects numerous recommendations made more than six months ago by a blue-ribbon advisory council charged with streamlining and reforming the office created under former President George W. Bush.

"The recommendations that they've put forth make really concrete and tangible improvements to the government's relationship with faith-based organizations," said Joshua DuBois, director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/17/obama-signs-order-to-refo_n_784984.html
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:06 PM
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1. Seems more like confirmation of a stupid program than reform. nt
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MrTriumph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:10 PM
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2. Meets with Rice, continues Weak Dollar Policy & now this...Bush's 3rd Term continues...
And there is plenty more.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:56 PM
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3. Joshua DuBois, due to his unusual relationship with the Pres.
is a cancerous influence on our government, as he never fails to promote the most intolerant and even vicious of organizations. DuBois has met in the WH with groups who are on the SPLC's watch list of hate groups. DuBois himself should be on a list, as a registered hate offender. He has done more harm to good will in this Party than most Republicans have managed to do. Joshua DuBois, bigoted, atavistic, and out to fill the pockets of his 'faith community' while allowing them to discriminate against gay people and Muslims and others who are not Born Again Brand Jebus Freaks.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:12 PM
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4. "government's relationship with faith-based organizations"
Why does our Government have ANY relationship with a faith-based organization.??
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:23 PM
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5. Because the POTUS believes in invisible sky beings and not separation of church and state
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 07:24 PM by Dragonfli
If they wish to do away with the separation they should change the constitution and in order to be fair give as much to pagan, muslim, and budhist groups (as well as all those I haven't mentioned)

Fundies are not the only "religion" nor should they be considered the state religion as they have been under Bush and Obama.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 08:08 AM
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12. No, it's because he sees churches as traditional and central part
of helping in their communities. Look at what his first job was! When he was a community organizer (and agnostic non-church goer) he worked for a church and pulled more churches in to serve the community and not just Christian churches. And look at the church he finally joined. Wright's church had so many community outreach programs into the community for members and non-members. The sick, the sad, hungry, lonely, elderly, students, job seekers, ex-prisoner and so on

When he first ran for state senate in 1995 he talked about the role of churches. Here are various quotes. He was speaking from a deep belief in the potential effectiveness... it wasn't a ploy. He might be less idealistic now but I suspect the memory of his vision remains in him

...They start food pantries and community-service programs, but until they come together to build something bigger than an effective church all the community-service programs, all the food pantries they start will barely take care of even a fraction of the community's problems."

"In America," Obama says, "we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations."


Some of the points are pretty good here
"The right wing, the Christian right, has done a good job of building these organizations of accountability, much better than the left or progressive forces have. But it's always easier to organize around intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and false nostalgia. And they also have hijacked the higher moral ground with this language of family values and moral responsibility.

"Now we have to take this same language—these same values that are encouraged within our families—of looking out for one another, of sharing, of sacrificing for each other—and apply them to a larger society. Let's talk about creating a society, not just individual families, based on these values.
Right now we have a society that talks about the irresponsibility of teens getting pregnant, not the irresponsibility of a society that fails to educate them to aspire for more."


As an aside I always loved this quote from that time
"What if a politician were to see his job as that of an organizer," he wondered, "as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them? As an elected public official, for instance, I could bring church and community leaders together easier than I could as a community organizer or lawyer. We would come together to form concrete economic development strategies, take advantage of existing laws and structures, and create bridges and bonds within all sectors of the community. We must form grass-root structures that would hold me and other elected officials more accountable for their actions.


I am not saying I am cool with whatever he does here... but I don't think he sees it as mixing church and state but rather a state assist in using church energy to build this community stuff, in services


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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 10:18 PM
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8. That is the question!
They are getting our tax dollars too...
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 09:28 PM
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6. Pathetic... He's reforming something that should never have existed in the first place.
The nightmare of Bush/Obama continues.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 09:47 PM
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7. You want to find a place to cut the budget?
Start there.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 10:18 PM
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9. Bingo!
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:42 PM
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10. Are we the taxpayers actually
putting our money into this office?
Why is this not on the Catfood Commission's plate?
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 12:06 PM
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11. Another way to reform the budget besides stopping the War machine. No religious groups should get
Federal grants which are really tax dollars when they are for the most part tax exempt organizations.
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 02:28 PM
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13. All faith based options should be fucking illegal.
Edited on Fri Nov-19-10 02:30 PM by cyr330
Have these people NEVER heard of separation of church & state? Why in goddamned hell are we committing scarce tax dollars to fucking religious organizations?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 02:35 PM
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14. How Much Tax Payed Funding goes to this Org that blurs the line between Church and State?
Edited on Fri Nov-19-10 02:35 PM by fascisthunter
this shouldn't even exist! But, let's look at social security instead... :crazy:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 02:45 PM
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15. How about we do away with the office?
A "faith based" office has no business in the White House. Perhaps atheists should band together and demand a "non-faith based" office.
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queerart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 03:42 PM
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16. Obama Has No Choice In The Matter.....
The faith based office was set up by another President, so Obama has no say in the matter! As "by law"...... "not tradition" he must support the continuation of the White House's faith-based office......


If people don't like the existence of the WHFBO... blame Congress, not the President... isn't that the usual meme? :rofl:




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