Wikileaks Assange's detention order upheld by Sweden

Source: BBC

A Swedish court has rejected WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's appeal against a detention order in a rape case.

The appeals court upheld an earlier court order, which allows investigators to bring the 39-year old Australian into custody for questioning.

Mr Assange, who is believed to be in Britain, denies the allegations, saying they are part of a smear campaign.

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"The Svea Court of Appeal has today decided to reject Julian Assange's appeal against the Stockholm district court decision to remand him," the court said in a statement. "The appeals court has to a certain extent reached different conclusions than the lower court, but considers that there is still reason for the warrant," it said.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11831519

the release of further US military documents. How convenient.

He is being set up in an intelligence sting to discredit the messenger. Long live Julian Assange!!! Long Live WikiLeaks!!!! Fuck da police!!!

and far more plausible explanation is that Assange thinks that he is smarter and special, so the rules that govern the rest of us don't apply to him. The world is full of these ass-wipes that believe that they are elite and we little-people should bow and grovel to their presence. There is no shortage of testimony from his former colleagues.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/online/secret-war-at-the-heart-of-wikileaks-2115637.html

He doesn't even deny it happened - his explanation is that they were consensual. Sounds perfect for a jury to sort out. If a Texas jury can convict Delay, is anyone really saying Assange can't get a fair trial in Sweden.

And if he IS a rapist, how many DUers are willing to say "Oh well, boys will be boys when we like his politics" instead of standing up for women who are assaulted by a megalomaniac?

Assange is pretty clearly the target of smear campaigns is the more simple and plausible. He is not a perfect person. Last time I checked no one was, but you sure are automatically buying the framing and memes and baseless slander of the right-wing and the corrupt in power. You have a problem with megalomaniacs? There are plenty in GOVERNMENT. Protected by secrecy.

Post the evidence of anything you claim.

the ever-changing 'he's done something wrong, no he hasn't' stance of the Swedish prosecutors. I wonder what reward the U.S. has offered to some strategically placed individuals over there to try to shut him up?


I will have to go look for that CIA memo that Wikeleaks posted where the CIA was trying to figure out how to silence him. They discussed a smear campaign as the best way, airc.

Fortunately the world has no more respect for our government, and is well aware of the lengths they will go to to shut people up, or to get what they want. Looking around the Internet, in every country where this story has appeared, no one believes he did anything wrong. Most believe that woman is lying and may be being used to shut him up. Funny isn't it, that the top prosecutor there said there was nothing to warrant issueing a subpoena against him. Guess some people did not like that.

I'm going to enjoy watching this guy get locked up and the ensuing panty-twisting tirades around here.

No evidence he is a rapist. No evidence he "hates" Obama. Just ad hominem hate and baseless assumptions from you.

And his getting locked up wouldn't be evidence of his guilt of anything

it's a huge stretch to say he did by Swedish standards, which are eye-opening.

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or the govt afraid of being exposed paints him as a criminal to stop further leaks of information against them

the latter makes a lot more logical sense, especially given that govt's record is clear (detainees without charges, rendition, torture, et al)

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in fact, I'd say it was damn clear what was going on here

...his psychiatrist's office to dig up "dirt" on him.

All of this kind of thing is why I recommend anyone read Chomsky's writings on manufacturing consent. I think Chomsky Progressive/Liberal credentials are not beyond question, but his writing on the matter of consent and manipulation are spot-on.

Daniel Ellsberg is painted as a kook, Assange as a sex-starved maniac, Saddam, Noriega and other world leaders we equip with weapons or weapons of mass destruction conveniently morph into "Hitler".

It's a running con-job. It's the "machine" as Al Lewis would have put it, running 24/7 to stay in power. We choose to respond to things we don't like and fight back, but the "machine" is always working, 24/7 to stay in control.

PB

the USA..this was black opps at its best!

Was there really one American who didn't know the charges were trumped up before the last Leak dump??????

If there is one American that believes that pile of horse shit..Do I have some swamp land for you here in Florida..cheap, real cheap..pet alligators included!

because thats how this post of yours comes off

No, not really, but I guess I just have a lot more trust in the Swedish justice system, just as I have a lot of trust in the Norwegian justice system(might be somewhat biased in my view since Sweden is right next door).

Basically unless there is some solid proof of foul play I'm willing to believe in the Swedish justice system

silence him.

politics is infantile. I'm not saying that I think he's guilty. But there's always a possibility he is. Regardless of the information he's made public about the wars. I heard the same nonsesne when Bernie Ward was arrested for child pornography. That it was the Bush administration trying to silence his voice of opposition.

I suspect he is just the spokesperson for a group. I don't know that for a fact, but he is the face of whatever he is doing. Based on the amount of documents that WikiLeaks processes, vets and then releases, he is probably not the worker bee.

I don't know how he is organized, but I have worked on document production in law cases, and we used to have a big room full of people working. Even though that work is done on computers now, it still takes a lot of grunt work to identify names and facts that cannot be disclosed or that are not worth disclosing, documents that are not reliable, etc. So, I don't think that WikiLeaks will skip a beat if he disappears.

I would be worried about whether Assange might end up in some cell in Afghanistan at the hands of a torturer. That would concern me. But he probably won't ever go into custody.

it is possible to track trace and kill people if the value of doing so is warranted. plenty of folks just disappear off the street.

There are people who spent their entire careers breaking things like wikileaks with both domestic and ex judicial means.

Assange is not to worried about the US, these days it takes a pretty high bar to start dumping people 12 miles offshore.

Now russia, I would bet they are a bit more nimble. polonium is still around.

That's pretty scary. Basically, if you aren't a slave you are dead. My question is, so why not fight back a bit harder then? Spill the beans but not just the beans, the milk and meat and wine too. Then burn it all down in a symbolic act of freedom-revenge.

Could it be he really is a rapist?

But this rape charge seems contrived. The charge itself looks designed to remove any sympathy from his efforts to shed light on some dark dealings.

What better way to remove support?

They will buy every damn thing they have to to make sure of it.

is true..many American govenrment people and government contractors will lose their money gravy train!

Evidently our government has been in business big time with Terrorist organizations.

Although many of us have believed that, this will be the proof!

So while they feel you up and mollest YOU at the aorport..our government plays footsies and gives your tax dollars to terrorist groups!

Wake the fuck up my fellow Americans..You have been had.

The Swedish charges are trumped up. Seriously folks are we that gullible?

Assange is just lucky to still have his life.

J

...don't have anything to do with this case, other than investigating a reported crime.

Sweden is hardly a banana republic where the law is for sale to the highest bidder and the goverment's ability to interfere in individual cases is very limited - it is called ministerial rule and is very illegal in Sweden.

The one lesson W left us was that anyone can be preempted, no matter how principled the system or the official, with enough pressure.

old story - but, here's wikipedia on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_during_World_War_II_(Timeline)

who's the swedish govt. gonna support - the us govt., or some 'wacky' australian dude, on a mission of truth?
as you noted - we saw what happened with another 'enlightened' scandinavian entity, the danish, & of course the brits, when dubya hustled 'em, for support in the war on iraq. they jumped like a whipped ass, to throw in their lot with the coalition of the willing.

this appears to be just par for the course.

Too bad those damn Socialist peaceniks managed to totally gut our military between the wars, you know - trust the LoN (UN of the era) to maintain peace in our time. At the time the Panzers rolled into Warzaw the only Swedish armored battalion was rolling out and beeing closed down. It wasn't until the invasion of Denmark & Norway that the Socialist had a conversion under tha gallows regarding defence.

I see where you are coming at this from. Thanks for the revelation.

That of the disasterous defence decission in 1925?
That of the Socialists hostility to the armed forces?

Getting a deal with the Nazis, and in extension protection from their Soviet pals, was about all Sweden could hope for in 1940.
Even if the military had been mobilized in time to fight a German invasion it only had ammo for three weeks - a result of the proxy war on Stalin.

And how the original charges were announced against the rules and then dropped and then reinstated by simply putting someone else on the case?

The original prosecutor, Eva Finnés, on the case didn't consider there to be enough substance to prosecute it.

The plaintiffs and their representative didn't agree and appealed her decission to the superior prosecutor, Marianne Ny.
She, after reviewing the original material and what had come in after the original decission, decided that there was cause to begin an investigation. A part of that investigation means Assange is to be interrogated, something he hasn't shown up to be - thus there is a warrant out for his arrest.

So it is not shadowy forces in goverment that sweeps down an appoint a new prosecutor more cooperative with their intrests.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

"What the NY Times Won't Tell You About Assange's Accuser:" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9204834

Interview from Assange's Son, Daniel on How His Statements Were Distorted by Media: http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/09/17/daniel-assange-i-never-thought-wikileaks-would-succeed

Statement from Assange Counsel: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4619669&mesg_id=4619806

"Over the last three months, despite numerous demands, neither Mr. Assange, nor his legal counsel has received a single word in writing from the Swedish authorities relating to the allegations; a clear contravention to Article 6 of the European Convention, which states that every accused must 澱e informed promptly, in a language which he understands and in detail, of the nature and cause of the accusation against him”. The actions by the Swedish authorities constitute a blatant and deliberate disregard for his rights under the Convention.

We are now concerned that prosecutor Marianne Ny intends to apply for an arrest warrant in an effort to have Mr. Assange forcibly taken to Sweden for preliminary questioning. Despite his right to silence, my client has repeatedly offered to be interviewed, first in Sweden before he left, and then subsequently in the UK (including at the Swedish Embassy), either in person or by telephone, videoconferencing or email and he has also offered to make a sworn statement on affidavit. All of these offers have been flatly refused by a prosecutor who is abusing her powers by insisting that he return to Sweden at his own expense to be subjected to another media circus that she will orchestrate. Pursuing a warrant in this circumstance is entirely unnecessary and disproportionate. This action is in contravention both of European Conventions and makes a mockery of arrangements between Sweden and the United Kingdom designed to deal with just such situations. This behavior is not a prosecution, but a persecution. Before leaving Sweden Mr. Assange asked to be interviewed by the prosecution on several occasions in relation to the allegations, staying over a month in Stockholm, at considerable expense and despite many engagements elsewhere, in order to clear his name. Eventually the prosecution told his Swedish lawyer Bjorn Hurtig that he was free to leave the country, without interview, which he did."

Not good at all. Hope he can stay out of their grasp.

Government has been working WITH Terrorists..

While they feel you up at the airport and accuse you of being guilty before innocent, and have basically accused YOU and every innocent American as being a terrorist, by your molestation!

Welcome to Terraland..USA ...we grope you... while we work with real terra..ists and greese their pockets..while you starve and lose your homes! And we arrest you if you object to us gropping your penis or tits! We want to humiliate you into submission..


We don't look back, we only look forward..forward to your next trip to the airport..so we can treat YOU like a terra..ist..

come on down..get in line..molestations and intimidations are free..if you are the innocent..

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Doc's are released..doesn't take a brain surgeon to know what is coming!

there will be a 5 day news cycle at most. Katie Couric will blab about it for a few days, fox and the others will chatter on for a while. In reality the governments will take money to fix the problems or we will tell them to get fucked.

By the end of day 5 this will be completely forgotten. The last wikiturd got a 3 day news cycle.

So there is no accountabity. So what else is new? What's your point?

and the lemmings love it.

Like diplomacy can't be illegal nationally and internationally and abhorrent morally.

And waste of money, seriously? We're worried about wasting money all of a sudden? We already spent the money. WikiLeaks is making more clear what we spent our money on. Any additional monies spent will pale in comparison and if not, maybe we need to rethink our diplomacoes and our wars both.

Where is the accountability for these disastrous wars? Where is the accountability for letting the leaks occur? Where will the accountability be for the corrupt diplomacy? Why so worried about accountability for WikiLeaks and Manning when those other accountabilities, by your own admission, will apparently not occur?

did he dump anything that will impact the war. not so far. it will be interesting to see how much is relevant to the war and how much is just fuck the us content.

The accountability is in office, you voted, you got it. Representative democracy is the system, dont like it, vote people in who will change it. You think bush is going to the Hague, please. The accountability for the leaks is in prison and will die there next to other scum like pollard who leaked. Assange and his buddies are still walking around, but hey if he starts fucking with russia or china bet on US turning a blind eye to them getting the gerry bull treatment.

They are playing intelligence agency, with no state to back them. They are children running loose on a firing range, if they live it will be luck alone.

Corrupt by what standard? Yours, you world orientation does not represent the best interest of the US. That is the job of the state department. Not to be nice, not to only do business with people you want over for dinner...

The childish world view held by many here does not withstand the reality of decades of US foreign policy both public and secret.

And the U.S. government is the most dangerous terrorist organization on earth. Al Qaeda can only dream of killing as many people as U.S. political elites have.

That isn't "foaming at the mouth". It's merely taking note of a fact that is utterly indisputable.

i would love to see facts backing that position. US political elites, what the fuck is that anyway?

trivia, how many died on the great leap forward?

is violence or the threat of violence for the purpose of affecting political coercion, something the U.S. government has done many time in its history. This is how official U.S. criminal code defines it:

"act of terrorism" means an activity that -- (A) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life that is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; and (B) appears to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping.

Nothing there provides an exemption for the U.S. government. U.S. exceptionalism is found only in the faith based beliefs of rightist lackeys.

How else can one define the "most" dangerous, except as that which is capable of killing the most people and causing the most damage? I challenge you to name the organization that has killed more people and caused more damage in the last 50 years than the U.S. government.

Still pretending you don't understand the meaning of the elite class of a given society? Maybe this will help:

Elite:

Elite (occasionally spelled élite) is taken originally from the Latin, eligere, "to elect". In sociology as in general usage, the elite is a hypothetical group of relatively small size, that is dominant within a large society, having a privileged status perceived as being envied by others of a lower line of order.

The elite at the top of the social strata almost invariably puts it in a position of leadership, whether it be expected or volunteered, and often subjects the holders of elite status to pressure to maintain that leadership position as part of status.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite>

political elite:

In any society where power is not distributed equally, a smaller number will have more power, these are the political elites.

<http://www.chacha.com/question/what-is-the-definition-of-political-elite>

power elite:

A power elite, in political and sociological theory, is a small group of people who control a disproportionate amount of wealth, privilege, and access to decision-making of global consequence. The term was coined by Charles Wright Mills in his 1956 book, The Power Elite, which describes the relationship between individuals at the pinnacles of political, military, and economic institutions, noting that these people share a common world view.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_elite>

was looking for a more focused answer not from 1956. Which elite is benefiting from this act.

he is quite a character.

but hey to each their own.

And Lamos' groupies?

You are spinning this and I find your spin and your emphasis of any negative interleetation due to your disdain for Manning suspect.

but hey the bell curve applies.

Assuming he was telling the truth.

But what does that have to do with the information leaked, WikiLeaks intent and impact, and the behavior of governments in the information revealed? Leakers who took the most stringent precautions and kept their mouths sealed tight could still be found out. So? And what does a bell curve have to do with it? Intelligence is absolutely analogous to ability to recognize morality? I don't think so and you changed the subject From those I addressed anyway.

its a lie. he dumped diplomatic cables, he broke the law. He could have gone to any number of sources he choose one that would do maximum damage. you know those things diplomats use for diplomacy, he fucked that up. So now people will inject their morality into situations they do not understand. The MIHOP morons are already looking for the smoking gun.

He is not interfering with the war, not making the world safer, he is just dumping information because his ego tells him to.

IQ distribution can be placed under a bell curve and bradley is at the far left. For the fucking lulz he leaked and aggange got them all.

He told the truth and he will die in prison, count on it. It will be interesting to see how assange and friends leave this world..

Who is that a photo of in your avatar? Nice "smoky" eyes.

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Zap Mama - Sweet Melodie
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But I was talking about his actions.

He's been pretty abusive to the other people behind Wikileaks.

I wouldn't be helping him, in that I believe he's gone beyond the point of being useful, and into "look how powerful I am!!".

Read....
The strange and consequential case of Bradley Manning, Adrian Lamo and WikiLeaks
By Glenn Greenwald
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/18/wikileaks

And some of those people who left Wikileaks are creating another whistleblower organization

WikiLeaks defectors working on alternative whistleblower site
http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/11/wikileaks-defectors-working-on-alternative-whistleblower-site.ars

Besides, I'm talking about how he speaks of himself in all of his recent interviews. Not just what Wired wrote.

The guy has big cajones

That's the question that I'd like answered.

This is obviously a completely fabricated ruse to get him in custody, so they can then "interrogate" him until they can learn all that he knows. The objective is to stop the organization and to intimidate into hiding those associated with it.

How any rational person could believe this imbroglio is anything but a contrived scheme to grab a whistle blower is a mystery.

And the objective is not "interrogation" but to "stop" him. Dr. Kelly, you remember him?

the U.S. a large, powerful and influential one. It's just that simple.

Make a Basic Tinfoil Hat

1 Find five or six feet of heavy duty aluminum foil.
2 Fold the aluminum foil several times, making a 12 inch square with the shiny side out.
3 Cut the foil from one side to the center in a straight line.
4 Bend the foil with one side under the other to make a cone shape, leaving the shiny side showing.
5 Place the cone shaped tin foil hat on the head and adjust the fit by mashing the foil against the head.
6 Tape the cut you made in the foil securely closed.
7 Punch holes in each side of the hat with a pencil, ball point pen or tip of scissors.
8 Place rope, twine, ribbon or any other string-like material through the holes and tie snugly under the chin.

Seriously tho, all of this sounds like it is something to be further investigated and placed in front of a jury.

He should not get a pass, as it appears that so many here want him to get, because he has, is and will leak damaging documents. Please remember that there may be a young lady whose life has been shattered by a sexual assault. Don't forget her in your rush to pass judgment.