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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:33 PM
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Are we on the verge of Iraq's "Tet Offensive"?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:37 PM
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1. No
Who the heck is going to train & arm a resistance force? Where do you hide an army in the desert?

The best the Iraqis can hope for is to make it to expensive for American corporations to do business in Iraq. Then we will leave.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:40 PM
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2. Its weird though
all this breaking news of violence all over the country. Remember, we beat the British using gorilla tactics taught to us by the Indians. That type of warfare can change history.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:46 PM
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5. I think you mean guerrilla tactics not gorilla? n/t
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:44 PM
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3. answers
"Who the heck is going to train & arm a resistance force?"

1) There are already plenty of arms in Iraq. 2) They don't need training, and other Guerrillas can help with basic things like how to shoot an AK.

"Where do you hide an army in the desert?"

1) The part of Iraq where people live is not desert. 2) Cities.
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JohnnyFianna1 Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 01:01 PM
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8. It is incredibly difficult to organize troops in cities without an
outside supply source and strategic fallback postion.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 01:05 PM
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9. You don't need to organize them.
They are "guerrillas" / "insurgents" working in local territory with enough popular support to keep going. Their 'supply source' is the people and their 'strategic fallback position' is everywhere. It's not like they are a conventional army corps or anything. They don't need to be, that's not their strategy. And if they were, we would be able to beat them.
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ultramega Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 01:17 PM
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11. support
I bet they are getting all kinds of support. I mean, it would not be so great for places like Saudi Arabia if there was a democracy in the middle east where arabs/persians have freedoms that they don't allow their own people. How can they explain this. I mean, I can just see money pouring into Iraq from all kinds of places to help get the U.S. out, because one of the ways they keep their people down is to get them to focus their hate on western societies and the Jewish populations of the world. A month or so ago they just busted another cigarette smuggling ring here, where U.S. based islamic fundies make $30,000 a van load taking cigarettes from low tax states and selling them to high tax states, and all the money goes for terrorism.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 01:38 PM
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14. Absolutely right.
Jimmy Breslin noted the other day that at the height of the IRA's power, they were nothing more than cells of 3 people - and that no cell knew what any of the other cells was doing.

An IRA spokesman said they could 'hold Northern Ireland down with 75 people.' Where does that leave us when the number in Iraq is probably in the hundreds of thousands. Shudder to think.

As bad as it's been, there is potential for things to get far, far worse in short order.

-as
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:45 PM
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4. Tet was one of a kind.
Very bizarre military campaign in a lot of ways. The Viet-Cong basically committed suicide as a military organization in that campaign. The losses were staggering. The NVA ordered that operation so that when there was an invasion from the North, there would be no challenge in leadership positions in South after the war.
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JohnnyFianna1 Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 01:00 PM
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7. However, it was responsible for the defeat of the U.S.
in Vietnam because it showed the American people that major offensives were possible by large well armed guerrillas. We under estimated the North Vietnamese organizational capabilities and suffered 3000 casualties. This was by no means crippling, however the many enemy guerrilla that had entered the country during this offensive would be.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:46 PM
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6. Y'know, you invade a country, and sometimes they just don't like it
:eyes:
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rfkrocks Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 01:15 PM
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10. its not tet but it shows the folly of this war
Occupation is the hardest part of war-just like we did to the Brits in the revolution, like the Spanish did to the French in 1812 (remember Napoleon's Spanish ulcer?), the Russians against the Germans and the French-its not doable-like Powell and Schwartzkopf said -we needed about 300,000 to 500,000 troops with the UN to make it work-we had neither- the violence will increase because it is all about the various factions positions by 6/30-the parties,i.e.,the fundies,shia,sunni are all waiting to have their own military so they will be strong when the government is formed-wouldn't you bring your own army to negotiations?-the one thing that unites these bands is hatred toward the us-whoever beats the us will be in a stronger position once the government is set up-BTW-this argument does not even include the Kurds-wait till that mess blows.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 01:24 PM
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12. Please use actual story headlines in LBN
As per DU Rules. :-)
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 01:35 PM
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13. No,but I think Iraq is on the verge of hell in a handbasket n/t
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 01:51 PM
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15. Hi mharris660
As per DU LBN rules:

When posting articles, please use the published title of the article as the title of the discussion thread.

Please feel free to repost with the proper subject line.

Thanks! :hi:
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