Clinton calls leaked documents attack on world

Source: Washington Post

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"Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says the leak of hundreds of thousands of secret diplomatic documents is an attack not only on the United States but also the international community.

In her first public comments since the weekend release of the classified State Department cables, Clinton said Monday that online whistleblower Wikileaks acted illegally in posting the material. She said the Obama administration was "aggressively pursuing" those responsible for the leak.

She said the leaks erode trust between nations. But Clinton also said she was "confident" that U.S. partnerships would withstand the challenges posed by the latest revelations."



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/29/AR2010112903164.html

You mean like when Obama/Clinton stood there with their thumbs up their asses while a military coup ousted the democratically elected president of Honduras. The resulting partnership?

Or our secure relationship with the "democratically" elected president of Afghanistan?

Our our alliance with the Saudi Arabian dictatorship?

Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera...?

She's a politician. She's genetically predisposed to pursue power and to do or say anything to maintain it.

Says to different things at once.

withstand the challenges posed by the latest revelations.

with stand the challenges posed by the latest revelations.


But what is interesting is such strong language, revelation? a bit of a strong word for that context, then again, posed, is an interesting word also, since it has a few meanings.


But the funniest word, and without any fear or anything, but if your going to be late, might as well be latest :) fits the great line from streets of fire video song, everyone fighting to be last.

:shrug:

Not sure about the rest of the stuff, but find the choice of words funny. Then again Bill has always used dual meaning phrasing in speeches.

And it is always daytime in space :)

But I don't really have anything against the people, just think some things could be done a bit better over the last decades by some observations. Although I think they are mostly good and figure within their perspective they do the best they can also.

Loose lips sinks ships. There should be no State Secrets in a real democracy.

A liar and a cover up artist

I get the point tho :)

still, do you really think the US diplomats should send info to the state department telling them how the leaders are in blunt terms publically? i mean, that doesn't exactly help foster good relations(or should they lie to their state departments about their views of the leaders in the country they are in?)

Otherwise your arguing that the state department shouldn't be told about what diplomats finds out which kinda voids the whole point of diplomats

There are lots of republics in the world that are not democratic in the least-- the word republic just means that the leadership is not hereditary.

Should the Manhattan project have published their ongoing notes?

right there...geez

:rofl:

PB

little late to try and get in front of this parade - it's already down the block

I think it's SAD we have to spy on our own government but that's the world we live in.

Hillary Clinton needs to cut her losses and zip it.

Our government should not be secretly engaging in crap without
the knowledge of U.S. citizens.

All of this baloney about this harming people--and involving social
workers and others who "confide" in our diplomats--is BALONEY. There
is not one leak that is related to any of that.

However, there are many leaks regarding crap that "We The People"
should know about.

You work for US, honey. Our government isn't your damn secret power playground.

doing.

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And there's the rub: WikiLeaks didn't actually procure the information, it was sent to them. Same with the New York Times, WikiLeaks sent it to them.

The difference is NYT buys ink by the barrel and if she goes after them, etc., etc., she's going to get more column-inches of heat, and more focusing on her behavior (as revealed by the leaked cables) than she can possibly take.

So she goes after WikiLeaks. It's a safe(r) target.

PB

Is she on the record regarding Daniel Ellsberg?

PB

Kerry doesn't seem to think so, and I'm willing to accept his view on that matter?

The NYT got the cables from an "anonymous source", which was later revealed to be The Guardian (who was being sent their data from WikiLeaks).

The NYT is on Assange's shit list, for giving him unfavorable coverage, so he doesn't give them leaks anymore.

not the people who expose you. Let's place the blame where it actually belongs.

he sees the leaders of the country he appointed to?

Thats not really what i would call untrustworthy behavior since that info helps future diplomatic actions(and any future diplomat while that(those) leader(s) are in power, and it likely would hurt diplomacy between countries if you start publically sending back information that might be seen as insulting(due to being blunt) if that is the view the diplomat has gotten of said leader(s)

that untrustworthy. I take exception with Clinton's characterization that the leak erodes trust between nations. I find that statement melodramatic at best. The duplicitous behavior exposed by the leak is what could erode trust, not the leak itself, and that behavior is more than a few blunt or tactless words. And frankly, I don't really think they're as worried about the reaction of governments as they are of people. Unless they have stinkingly bad intelligence services, most of these so-called secrets have probably already been sussed out by the various nations; it's just that the governments would rather that we didn't see how inept and venal so many of them have been over the years.

Basically, if your behavior is trustworthy, you shouldn't need the privacy, and if isn't, you don't deserve it. Under the law, we should all have privacy, but in this day and age, the only people who actually seem to get it are government agencies and they have a strong tendency to misuse secrecy to hide rank stupidity and grossly illegal acts.

that we peons are just now catching up on, Madam Secretary.

:rofl:

:rofl:

:nopity:

instead of just publishing it.

Full on 'ignore the message, just shoot the messenger mode'!

:puke:

they must be watching a lot of FoxNews for tips on how to handle stuff like this

Clinton is the world?

:cry:

but I,I I am the World! And you aren't.

The telling of the truth is always an "attack on the world."

- Your world.

K&R

Wikileaks and Julian Assange are EXPOSING and attack on The World.

close to home, I really don't care how Hillary feels. Some of these secrets are destroying what little chance of happiness we have, so they're just going to have to adjust and follow a more honest course.

Then I realized that she has it backwards: Its not wikileaks that erode trust in USG, but the words and actions of arrogant assclowns on behalf of the USG that do that. You would have to be pretty deluded to think that US reputation would do fine if not for the wikileaks!

"attack(s) on the international community" is the activity of the US government. Hypocrisy is the lady's strong suit, I see.

as is evidenced by the beltway uproar.

Andromeda could be in danger too.

This "alpha dog" stuff and "batman and robin"

Go on....

Haven't you got enough "snipers" to hide from when you get off the plane?

:eyes:

.. on lying pieces of shit.

by those who would be their Overlords.

That includes you and Bubba, Hillary, and anyone else who shelters war criminals and other crooks.

EACH year and TRILLIONS in assets can't prevent one private from using a thumb drive and taking all this info.

But I can trust these same motherfuckers to protect me and mine from actual malice? Really.

Looks to me like one of those "Look over there! HE did it! No one could have predicted that lousy security to overpaid firms would result in leaks! Nobody!!!"

Dumb fucks. The first rule of secrecy is, don't write down anything you want to be a secret. And two people can keep a secret if one of them's dead. (Thanks, Twain.)

do realize that there are enemies of the state, no? There are those who would use this naive openness to take your freedom, standard of living, and even your life away, no? Amazing the complete silliness.

nt

there are no nations or groups spying on the US. There are no groups who wish to destroy the US. All people wish the best for the US all the time. There weren't 3,000 killed by people who would do it again if they could/can...nope none of that nonsense, huh?

Who and more importantly how exactly would anyone subvert our democracy and freedom if our government was hypothetically 100% transparent. I don't want a pissing contest with you based on rhetoric, just a serious discussion.

So again, if we had a truely open government representing the people transparently, who do you think would take advantage of such a system(which I'm also sure many would try), but the main question would be HOW?

The main drawback I'd see with such a system is that the US might have to lose considerable influence it has on the world and might have to step back from being "alpha dog" on the world stage. But about our democracy and freedoms stateside, what other consequences do you see?

The Russians?

THE TERRORISTS??!!!!1111oneoneelevn

Welcome to 2010 AD, slowpoke.

that's why you don't want this exposure. Your attempts to censor this man proves you are unworthy of anyones trust. Whatever happens from here on out, now we know for FACT this country is run by corruption.

And the more I learn about it, the less respect I have for it.

I'm not upset that the rot is being exposed, I'm upset that the rot exists.

An honest transparent government doesn't have to worry about leaks.

The governments that make up this "international community," including the USA, are rotten.

But that was pretty obvious before this leak...

There is nothing horrible in these documents, and very little that could not have been inferred by other means. Grist for the mill.


As for secrets: People do keep secrets. Always have, always will. Whether or not they should, does not alter the fact that people will keep secrets.

Everyone will soon find that her loyalties are with China, not the US.

:rofl:

And that honesty is the best policy, not the opposite.

Are you suggesting otherwise Hillary?

:shrug: