10 U.S. Troops Killed in Iraqi Violence - At least 24 more wounded

He needs violence to obtain arousal.

and impotent. He sure acts like someone who can't perform anywhere.

An armed member of Shiite radical leader Moqtada al-Sadr's Army of Mehdi militia. Radical Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr, whose militiamen are clashing with US-led coalition troops in Iraq (news - web sites), told his supporters to 'terrorize' the enemy as demonstrations were no longer any use.(AFP/Ahmad al-Rubaye

When are WE THE PEOPLE going to wake up to this fact?

Media ignores them, and, by extension, so does most of the American populace. It's three year's past time to throw away the bottled water and cute signs, stop thinking it's all business-as-usual in Washington, and begin to raise hell in the streets. Alas, USAers keep looking for someone else to do their dirty work for them--folks like Daschle Biden, and the're partr of the Corpos problem. Time to fight, and I don;t mean with ballots.

You'll have to head on over to Freerepublic.com to find a bunch of violence loving assholes

he's the impotent son of an asshoLe.

:0

How much of this will it take before we withdraw from this quagmire? These are our children who are dying.

I hope Kerry doesn't continue to insist on staying in Iraq.

Please, look at the reasons why vets and military families say we should Bring Them Home Now!

,...and it will simply be fed by any retaliatory actions which dominates the "rule of force" occupiers.

We told you so,...you arrogant neocon subhuman thugs!!!

WE TOLD YOU SO!!!

An Iraqi man armed with a Kalashnikov rifle takes cover after clashes broke out with U.S. forces in the impoverished Baghdad suburb of Al Sadr City April 4, 2004. REUTERS/Ceerwan Aziz



Al-Sadr's self-styled militiamen from the al-Mahdi Army, speed away from clashes with coalition forces to take a wounded man to the hospital in Kufa, Iraq (news - web sites), Sunday April 4, 2004. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)




Crowds of protesters, including members of the Mehdi Army, a banned Iraqi militia that supports radical anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, march on a Spanish garrison near Kufa April 4, 2004. At least 19 people were killed and more than 100 wounded in clashes between Spanish-led forces and Iraqi protesters and militiamen near the city of Najaf Sunday, hospital officials said. REUTERS/Ali Abu Shish

Sadly, he will become our LBJ.

I'd be glad to be proved wrong on that, by the way, but somehow I don't see that happening.

I'd guess it's starting to heat up about now.

I saw and heard that the other day from a reporter.

I've been thinking about the coming heat, in more ways than one.

This is George W. Bush's Crusade, and fundy Islam's jihad- I think things will be very bad this week all over the world.

someobody pointed that out here a few days ago, can't remember who...

what was it, April 10, when they toppled that stupid statue?

why do you call people fighting for their Independence "Fundy Islam's jihad" ? have we been colonized by some country would use also the same terminology let s say "Fundy Christan's crusade"?

It is sad to see that despite you liberal outlook, we still have to work on some resisting false perceptions from leftover propaganda

Those poor people who lost their lives for greed. May they rest in peace. :cry:

I was shocked when I heard him say that. He clearly said "leveled"! This is the same thing the Germans did to Antwerp!

Eagleburger

Baker was poppy Secretary of State under poppy Bush and Schultz/Haig was under Reagan. I think Eagleburger was Ford.

Actually he was SOS under Poppy Bush. He replaced Baker.

Not sure if it was Reagan, though.

...to run POppy's campaign in 1992. Reagan's SoS's were Al Haig and George Schultz.

After it became obvious that Poppy's 1992 campaign was a train wreck in the making and Baker was hauled out of State to try to salvage it. Eagleburger wasn't so bad as a lame-duck Sec of State, as I recall, but this statement convinces me that I was wrong!

:nuke:

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising



The April 28 edition of the Voice of Warsaw (a publication of the Warsaw Committee of the Polish Workers' Party) reported, "The SS thugs set ablaze entire blocks of flats in order to force the population to come out of hiding...the water, gas, and electric supplies were cut off...."
Photo credit: Meczenstwo Walka, Zaglada Zydów Polsce 1939-1945. Poland .No.437.

Strange how, fifty years on, the roles change, isn't it.

If the US barbecues Fallujah, does that mean we'll get a new Tom Hanks movie?

Halliburton.


Board of Directors.

Lawrence S. Eagleburger
Senior Foreign Policy Advisor, Baker, Donelson, Bearman & Caldwell (a Washington D.C. law firm); United States Secretary of State, Department of State, 1992-1993; Acting Secretary of State, 1992; Deputy Secretary of State, 1989-1992; joined Halliburton Company Board in 1998; member of the Audit, the Compensation and the Management Oversight and the Nominating and Corporate Governance Committees; Director of Phillips Petroleum Company, Stimsonite, Universal Corporation, Corning Corp. and COMSAT.

Halliburton argues that the best way to spread the 'American values' of democracy and freedom is not by imposing reprehensive sanctions on nations that violate these principles but rather by implementing a policy of 'engagement'. According to this corporate philosophy, 'engagement' is preferable to sanctions because when American corporations to do business with unsavory and despotic regimes, they concomitantly 'enlighten' these governments. The notion that doing business with dictators will bring democracy amounts to little more than corporate PR. Halliburton's previous 'engagements' with non-democratic regimes does little to support its case as it reveals Halliburton - not as the forbearer of law, order, and democracy - but rather as a advocate of corruption, unlawfulness, and disregard for Human Rights.



Absolutely disgusting, words fail me :-( :-(

While I didn't hear him use the words "leveled", I did hear him say that the US will have to "get tough even if it means killing women and children who might get in the way". He suggested that the only possible solution can be a sudden, violent, and overwhemling military response, even if it turns off the American people to hear of it.

and the news lady both said leveled.

I hope word of this (Eagleberger's comment) reaches around the globe so they can start tidying up a spot in the Hague.

...not the threat of (a phony) democracy.

... should inflame more than "Arab terrorists" -- they should enrage the whole world.

and gracefully accept the dominion of his white, Christian, American masters without complaint...right?

The average Arab should raise holy hell. There're plenty of White, Christian Americans who understand their predicament and who are pulling for them.
John
Bring the boys home now.

:eyes:

That certainly is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

... to news services around the world. Perhaps a simple action on our parts such as this could help to avert a slaughter!

Shock and Awe struck me from the first as the product of minds in training for even greater evil.

It would not wholly surprise me if the US made an example of Fallujah, barbecuing its citizens alive. That would be consistent with US military history. Recall Vietnam: B52s carpet bombed civilians in Hanoi again and again, even on Christmas. Or in WWII, consider the firebombing of Dresden's civilian population. And Hiroshima, of course. One can go on citing examples.

The point is, Iraqis are not regarded as human beings either by our leaders or by much of the American public. Even today, this remains a popular war against a people who are dehumanized in the national imagination, owing partly to traditional stereotypes but also to the intentional obfuscation of guilt over 9/11. That is why greater and greater atrocities by the US are not merely possible. They're likely.

I agree but the only problem this time around is that it will be beamed for the world to see live via satellite, including Muslims. This is just what bin Laden is hoping for.

a city of 250,000!!!??? Great idea. How many dead, and wounded are enough for these right wingers? How many Iraqis would die in such an operation? Would he advise evacuating the city first and then leveling it or just destroying it then cleaning up the bodies after? If you removed all the people then flattened the town you'd have a quarter million refugees. Where are they going to go? This whole mess just keeps getting worse. All the quotes I've seen from U.S. officials in Iraq keep talking about retaliation and revenge. They don't speak in terms of bringing the guilty to justice anymore. For the crimes of a few dozen or hundred the'll bring death and destruction to an entire town. This concept of punishing an entire area for the actions of a few reminds me of the atrocity carried out by the Germans against the Czech village of Lidice. Collective punishment can only bring collective revenge and a spiraling circle of violence.

Another washed up relic from the Cold War who applies 1952 rules of foreign policy to the year 2004.

As a member of the board of directors of the Halliburton Company, Eagleberger is a member of the Audit, the Compensation and the Management Oversight and the Nominating and Corporate Governance Committees.

He thinks it will teach them a lesson, but it will create a worldwide intifada.

George and BushCo gotta go.

I mean, when exactly do we wake the fuck up and STOP this madness?

EDITED for anger-that-might-get-me-a-visit-from-the-FBI.

Leveling Falluja is a war crime...
Leveling a city of 200,000+ people means killing innocent people in retribution and collective punishment.

This man is obscene and should not be given media time.
He advocates mass murder as does Osama bin Laden yet Eagleberger not called a terrorists.

And he claims to be a scholar, expert and a diplomat?

What is this guy trying to do become the next Ariel Sharon?

Our troops need to come home NOW!

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040404-125026-9116r


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Protestor deaths leave Iraq in chaos

Tensions increased earlier this week between the U.S. and the Shiites, as Sadr's followers have been protesting the suspension of his weekly newspaper, al-Hawza by the Coalition Provisional Authority. The recent arrest by coalition forces of a Sadr deputy, Mustafa al-Yacoubi, has further inflamed tensions. While Sadr is a very junior cleric and commands far less respect than other top religious leaders, his charismatic blend of Islamic fundamentalism and gadfly criticism of the CPA has built him a significant and dedicated following in parts of Iraq.

After the estimated 5,000 demonstrators traded gunfire with the troops in Najaf, crowds turned out in Baghdad, Kerbala, and Sadr's home village of Kufa to "declare war on the American occupation," said one supporter.

The vast Shiite slum of Sadr City -- named for Moqtada's cleric father who was killed by the Baath regime in 1999 -- went into near chaos Sunday afternoon after the news of the fighting in Najaf.

After a demonstration by hundred of people protesting Yacoubi's arrest demonstrated in a Baghdad square -- where sporadic gunfire was heard but casualties witnessed by UPI -- the members of Sadr's banned militia, the Mehdi Army, were seen arming themselves and preparing for combat outside Sadr's offices in Sadr City.

Trucks and minibuses with license tags from all over the predominantly Shiite south of Iraq were seen streaming in to Sadr City and unloading waves of young men in the black t-shirts of the Mehdi Army, which has previously never openly displayed weapons banned by the occupation forces.

In front of Sadr's headquarters, they were seen arming themselves with AK-47 assault rifles and rocket propelled grenade launchers and organizing in military formations before deploying throughout the neighborhood in cars and pickup trucks.

The men were also seen forming roadblocks to prevent entry into the neighborhood, which has upwards of 3 million people living in one of the most densely populated urban settings east of the Gaza Strip.

As night fell, U.S. military vehicles, tanks and troops could be seen setting up roadblocks around the neighborhood themselves and reports of widespread fighting in the area have been reported by sources in the neighborhood.

One resident told UPI by phone that Sadr's militia had seized all five of Sadr City's police stations are were declaring their own form of martial law. There are also reports that U.S. infantry backed by helicopters and tanks have entered the neighborhood to reclaim the police facilities from the militia.

that everyone dreaded a year ago. Our losses are going to really spike if this turns into a "Stanligrad" scenerio. I hope that some general over there has enough sense and balls to back off, de-escalate things. But I fear that no one of that caliber is present.

:argh::argh::argh:

...stance, that's the end of the Bush mafia's imperial dream.

No uproar in the nation. No uproar in the Congress. Just lies, flags, and more lies.

Watching the steady tick of death in Iraq, one concludes again that Americans are too numb or dumb to care about lives other than their own. Maybe this is the terminus of social Darwinism and the consumer culture: your iPod keeps the fate of those unlike you at bay, and what you government does is OK with you as long as it leaves your mp3s alone.

It's not hard to see the draft coming. What kind of shock will await the culture when our leaders begin to pluck at random new victims for their conquests? Are they stupid enough to unleash the reaction of the 1960s and 1970s? Even if they are, could we be too sedated and cowed now to take to the streets again? Prozac and protest: can they mix?

It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.
Voltaire

Ain't nothing random about the way the "po' folk" are about to be conscripted.

:nuke:

do both.

Shiite Clashes in with Coalition in Najaf Baghdad: Phase II of the Anti-Occupation Struggle Begins

Nine Coalition Troops Killed, Dozens wounded in Confronting Uprising

The always tense relationship between the Sadrist movement among Iraqi Shiites and the US and its Coalition partners has taken a dramatic turn for the worse. Perhaps a third of Iraqi Shiites are sympathetic to the radical, Khomeini-like ideology of Sadrism, and some analysts with long experience in Iraq put it at 50%. Earlier Muqtada Al-Sadr, the movement leader, had called on his forces to avoid violence against Coalition forces. As of Sunday, he has decided that the Coalition means permanently to exclude his group from power, and has decided to launch an uprising. This uprising involves taking over police stations in Kufa, Najaf, Baghdad and possibly elsehwere. The Sadrist militia now controls Kufa, according to the New York Times, and probably controls much of Sadr City or the slums of East Baghdad, as well, though it has been expelled from the police stations it had occupied there.

In Najaf, Sadrist crowds some 5000 strong protested outside the Spanish garrison. Firing began between the two sides, leading to a 3-hour gun battle that left 1 American and 1 Salvadoran soldier dead and fourteen Salvadorans wounded, 24 Iraqi civilians dead, and more than 130 persons wounded, according to AP and the Washington Post. Spanish troops also fought. (Spain's new Socialist government had pledged to withdraw Spanish troops this summer). AP reports that Sadrist militiamen took over the police station in nearby Kufa, and that police had disappeared from Kufa streets.

http://www.juancole.com/2004_04_01_juancole_archive.html#108109946449807198

Yup we are really showing them eyerackeees what for.

The righwing nitwits are starting to suggest that we need to kill them all to save them, just like Vietnam.

that hang around Boy Scout camps with their sons and NASCAR deals too. There must millons be of them to choose from.

and things are going to hell in a hand basket. This week coming up is going to be nasty. What was that city in Chechnya that the russians had to level.... twice, and it's still not pacifyed.
Better wake up, especially all you people that have draft age kids.

And they totally leveled it.

Reading the descriptions are sickening.

I read a book written by a war reporter who started his career covering Bosnia and ended it after seeing Grozny. That's how bad it was.

bang bang!

Before we can take a step forward?

and Bush/Cheney are wasting Our blood, Our time, Our money,
Our economy, Our freedoms all in the name of Their profit for OIL!!!

It is time for our soldiers to face reality......

That's what they're saying on Faux news. This shit is getting scary folks. They're talking about taking Fallujah street by street.

is a Holy city. And taking Fallujah ain't going to be like taking Pittsburgh.

One of two things:

1) we should remove ALL weapons from the population, go street by street, house by house and take all the guns away. Then we won't get attacked.


OR (the counter-Freeper argument)

2) we should arm all the law-abiding Iraqi citizens and show them how to defend themselves. Then all the bad people (evil doers) won't be able to commit their crimes!!

=========

There you go! Now why couldn't we have figure that out? Brilliant reasoning on both side, huh?

so there should be a quiz and some role playing! :eyes:

...that would do it. Role playing is another idea. Good thinking!!!

:wtf:

"we" - the US military - are doing both of those things - go figure.

Confiscating guns. I know I'd shoot first and ask questions later if an unknown person kicked in my front door. What do they think would happen over there? And what happened to the right to keep and bear arms many Freepers treasure? Even though it is mentioned in the US Constitution as a US right, it also calls those rights God-given to all. Don't the Iraqis have the right to defend themselves? These people aren't thinking at all!

it is no less large a city, but to be exact..

They seem to feel our imperial storm troopers are going to have a cakewalk again....

Killing al-Sadr will do more harm to us than to the Iraqis.

Background

The distinguished leader Ayatollah Sayed Mohammed Baqir Al-Sadr was a co-founder of the Islamic political movement in Iraq established in the late 1950s, along with Sayed Al-Hakim and other scholars. Sayed Al-Hakim's association with Ayatollah Al-Sadr continued after his release in 1979, when Ayatollah Al-Sadr was put under house arrest. Sayed Al-Hakim assumed the responsibility of conducting clandestine contact with Ayatollah Al-Sadr. Sayed Al-Hakim maintained a close association with Ayatollah Al-Sadr up to the martyrdom of Ayatollah Al-Sadr in 1980. In April 1980 Ayatollah Al-Sadr was murdered by Saddam's regime.

Grand Ayatollah Mohammad al-Sadr, age 66, was killed in February 1999 along with two of his sons. Former UN Commission Special Rapporteur on Human Rights for Iraq, Max Van Der Stoel, sent a letter in 1999 to the Baath Government expressing his concern that the killings might be part of an organized attack by the Baath Government against the independent leadership of the Shi’a community. the Baath Government did not responded to Van Der Stoel’s inquiries.

In the aftermath of these killings, the Baath Government increased repressive activities in the south and in other predominantly Shi’a areas to prevent mourning observances and popular demonstrations. As part of this campaign, two Shi’a scholars in Baghdad, Sheikh Hussain Suwai’dawi, and Sheikh Ali al-Fraijawi, reportedly were executed in July 1998.

In April 1999, the Baath Government executed four Shi’a men for the al-Sadr slaying after a closed trial. Shi’a religious authorities and opposition groups objected to the trial process and contend that the four executed men were innocent. At least one of the four, Sheikh Abdul Hassan Abbas Kufi, a prayer leader in Najaf, reportedly was in prison at the time of the killing. The Shi’a press reported in January 1999 that he had been arrested on December 24, 1998. The three others executed with Kufi were Islamic scholar Ahmad Mustapha Hassan Ardabily, Ali Kathim Mahjan, and Haider Ali Hussain. The status of Ali al-Musawi, another Shi'a cleric accused of complicity in al-Sadr’s death, still is unknown. According to a report submitted to the Special Rapporteur in September 1999, one of al-Sadr’s sons, Sayyid Muqtada al-Sadr, was arrested along with a large number of theological students who had studied under the Ayatollah. Nineteen followers of al-Sadr reportedly were executed toward the end of 1999, including Sheikh Muhammad al-Numani, Friday imam Sheikh Abd-al-Razzaq al-Rabi’i, assistant Friday imam Kazim al-Safi, and students from a religious seminary in Najaf.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/al-sadr.htm

Perhaps if anyone in the White House had served for a minute in the First Viet Nam, they could have seen the second one coming!

(Yes, I am deliberately ignoring Semi Colin Powell. His brand of service should be left to the World Court to judge.)

:freak:
dbt

This is lunacy - the ONLY reason NATO isn't in there is because the greedy bastards don't want to share the loot and allow other nations to bid for the 'rebuilding' of Iraq.

These soldiers died for greed, Halliburton and Bechtel. Why aren't people rioting in the streets? Why are we accepting this slaughter?

This could be as bad as November's Ramadan Offensive.

Check out the slope of the US KIA graph:



http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html

They are discussing the killing a few days ago. "Needs to be put in context. Look at the progress we are making there."

These commentators are completely out to lunch. The tide is turning against us.

They hate the US, they want us out and they are going to try to kill us.

"Look at the progress," said Mr. Sullivan from Time.

say that as things get better in Iraq, the worse the resistant would be? Well, if we go by that theory, this must be one the most successful military campaigns in history! Someone should tell this moron that when you're in a hole, you stop digging. Time to get out.

Now it looks like the insurgency is spreading to the Shia and the ensuing violence is going to make the last 11 months look like a pic-nic. I can't but in words how much I hate that murdering, greedy bastard Bush and his neo-con crime circle.

then the jihad has finally begun :scared: I'm afraid to even peek at the news now...

Sadr is not a Sunni, aka Saddam loyalist, but a Shiite.

from someone with an IQ under 64, but I'll say it anyway. The question is , why oh why do we fuck with the Shiites over there? They are the ones who were supposed to be Saddam's worst victims next to the Kurds. Does Bush just want stuff blowing up in Iraq to keep other news off the table?

and it should be asked by WH policy advisors and the entire media alike. Since neither are doing their job, your question will be answered on an internet forum-not where it matters.

They are pissed at the occupation because we are trying to impose a puppet and a bogus constitution on them and suppress what they would choose as representative government. The are also pissed at many thing including unemployment, the lack of services and the US having no post-war plan to bring security and stability, which has turned the country into a violent bloody mess. This has been building for a while but banning Sadr's news papers seem to be the spark that has ignited the tinder box.

Kill'em all. Let Allah sort them out.

...that what we are seeing now is the eruption of an authentic people's war against occupation. Think of a West Bank the size of Califonia with 100s of thousands of small arms lying around. This summer is going to get very ugly. I'm not a fan of Kerry but I'm writing him a check tommorrow. Nothing is more important at this point that getting the Bush lunatics out of office.

Its a revolution-I think the model is the French revolution-overthrow of monarchy (us) then bloody civil war-then maybe a napoleon bent on conquest with the Islam Bomb supplied by our best bush ally Pakistan-Boy this is a FUBAR