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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 07:15 AM
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Universe Teeming With Elements of Life
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A53110-2004Apr5?language=printer

Universe Teeming With Elements of Life
Favorable Conditions Less Common, Scientists Say After Tantalizing Mars Discoveries

By Guy Gugliotta
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 6, 2004; Page A03


MOFFETT FIELD, Calif. -- The building blocks of life pervade the solar system, and probably the universe, locked up in planetary polar ice caps, crouching in the interstices of ancient volcanic rocks, zooming around on comets and meteorites, drifting between galaxies in interstellar space, or wafting gently down in cosmic dust.

"The universe is hard-wired to form a lot of the compounds that make life," says astrophysicist Scott A. Sandford of NASA's Ames Research Center. "But that doesn't mean it's happening. There may be a lot of places where the process gets frustrated, and since we haven't seen it on any planet except our own, it's just a story."

But it is a story that scientists take ever more seriously. This year, especially, the study of possible life forms elsewhere in the universe has taken on a new shine, brightened by the spectacular success of the Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity in discovering the first physical evidence that liquid water once rested on the surface of a celestial body other than Earth. Water, a fundamental requirement for life as scientists can imagine it, is known to be ubiquitous in the universe, but actually finding physical evidence of its past presence on Mars has nevertheless had a galvanizing effect.

Last week, 700 scientists and engineers showed up for the Astrobiology Science Conference 2004 at the Ames center, bringing together researchers whose interests ranged from building DNA in the lab to listening for radio signals from intelligent beings far, far away.

..more..



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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 07:23 AM
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1. If there is no other
life forms out there.
It would be a terrible waste of space.
Carl Sagen said that, and I agree.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 07:58 AM
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2. No doubt.
And even if earth is literally one in a million, that means there are several thousand earths just in the Milky Way.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 08:41 AM
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3. I say...since * et al are soooo interested in space...send all of them in
one space ship.....to outer space....let them forever orbit in circles...with no means of communication...we have heard enough from these jackals.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:35 AM
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13. The B-Ark is waiting
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 01:59 PM
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19. what terrible ambassadors!
;)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 08:55 AM
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5. Carl Sagen was a great man, and I enjoy his books immensely
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lightbulb Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 01:26 PM
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16. Agreed - the Cosmos TV series is also amazing
and is available on DVD. Nothing like it on TV before or since.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 08:49 AM
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4. The Universe Is Made Up Of Living Light Or Consciousness
Mind Stuff if you will.

The concept of inert "building blocks" leading to "Life" is tiresome, outdated and misleading.

More to the point, the Universe IS Consciousness out of which precipitates matter rather like rain from a cloud. And each bit of matter holds the same Vitality as the Oneness from which it springs eternally.

This Vitality is evidenced by a innate capacity for Organization and Evolution... as things grow more complex and adapt.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 09:27 AM
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6. In other words:
It lives it lives!

Cool, as the young life forms are wont to say! Nice thoughts.

180
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cornfedyank Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 10:03 AM
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7. somebody's been reading "Grapes of Wrath"
Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 10:04 AM by cornfedyank
i'm not making fun of you cause i agree.
the only way this world's going to get better is if some of the greedy sobs see the Light.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:01 AM
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9. You can devolve that theory, too.
That one spirals right down to us and out planet; we could be said to be the 'mind' of the Earth, and possibly the universe as well, much as nerve cells tell us when and where there's a problem in our bodies, and as our minds contemplate our own existence.

We have the capacity to examine the world around us, to question, to open doors and look under rocks. We, the living, breathing self-aware bags of water everywhere in our universe, are its 'mind.' The genius of this, perhaps what one would call the genius of God, is that each of these bright sparks of consciousness are unique and seperate, able to think and question and for themselves; at least, we assume the mind is an individual thing.

The idea that the universe is 'living light' is a new one to me; even at the moment of creation, matter existed, unless you're saying all was light before that point. Interesting point of view nonetheless, and poetic besides.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:40 AM
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15. The Universe Means- One Word
Or Vibration.

Thus, even what we believe to be inert matter is, on some level, part of the One Consciousness. We just find it helpful and practical to consider Matter a dead thing. Unfortunately, we forget that this is purely a human construct (dividing Universe into Inert Stuff and Live stuff.

In the beginning of a cycle of Creation, there exists the state of undifferentiated Beingness, or I AM.

That's the furthest back or deepest within that the Human Mind can go.

Although things descend into Mulitplicity... that origin I AM is always present and accessible.

First a Movement within the One (Consciousness) towards a Center
Then a Spiral Outwards into Multiplicty (electromagnetic Vibration)
Then there is a Spiral Inwards again towards Unity (gravity)

All forms of Electromagnetic Vibration flow from the same source of Consciousness and return back to that very same Consciousness.

Dialectics

Consciousness
Consciousness of Conscsiousness
Consciousness of Non-Consciousness
Consciousness of Non-Conscouisness moving towards Full Consciousness



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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 10:59 AM
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8. given the vastness of the Universe . . .
it seems highly unlikely that the only repository of intelligent life is this little planet in this minor solar system, don'tcha think? . . .
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:02 AM
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10. yup
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:03 AM
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11. Step One: Finding intelligent life at the White House
Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 11:03 AM by mouse7
We'll work our way from there outward.
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:31 AM
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12. Kinda reminds me
Gandhi asked 'What do you think of Western civilization', Gandhi replying 'I think it would be a very good idea'.
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Heyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:38 AM
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14. Interesting...
The jusry is still out as to wether or not abiogenesis can take place...... it would be NEAT as hell if it were found that it could...

I understand that research has come pretty close to saying it could be possible....

Heyo
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 01:28 PM
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17. Well of course there is.
Mathematical probability's say so.
I forget the actual numbers, but one of my fave shows, "cosmos",
Sagen had the equation.
Came out to a surprisingly small number, but it was a positive number.
I'll see if I can dig it up.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 01:36 PM
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18. This is a interesting article:
http://www.bigear.org/vol1no3/life.htm

There seem to be a few civilizations out there, mathematically speaking, that is.
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