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NNN0LHI

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:03 AM
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Blix: Iraq Worse Off Now Than With Saddam

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040406/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_blix&cid=540&ncid=1480

COPENHAGEN, Denmark - Iraq (news - web sites) is worse off now, after the U.S.-led invasion, than it was under Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), Hans Blix told a Danish newspaper Tuesday.

"What's positive is that Saddam and his bloody regime is gone, but when figuring out the score, the negatives weigh more," the former chief U.N. weapons inspector was quoted as saying in the daily newspaper Jyllands Posten.

"That accounts for the many casualties during the war and the many people who still die because of the terrorism the war has nourished," he said. "The war has liberated the Iraqis from Saddam, but the costs have been too great."

Blix, whose inspection team didn't make any significant weapons finds during months of searching Iraq before the war, has sharply criticized the United States and Britain for their invasion of Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein's regime.

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Dhalgren

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:07 AM
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1. Blix tells the truth.

Watch your back, Hans.

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Nicholas D Wolfwood

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:08 AM
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2. great, but...

the RW doesn't care. They've already been brainwashed. So this is going to be one of those things that impresses us at DU, but will probably not be helpful in swaying any new votes. Still, good to be able to say "TOLD YOU SO!"

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RaulGroom

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:14 AM
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3. Not only the right wing is brainwashed

"Iraqis are better off" is a deeply indoctrinated belief in the minds of the vast majority of Americans, including mainstream Democrats (particularly those, not surprisingly, who supported the invasion.)

The key to doing something about this has nothing to do with "getting the facts out there" or anything like that. It has to do with gaining a better understanding of conditioning and indoctrination. I recommend The Batlle for the Mind by William Sargent and The Manipulated Mind from the same publisher (don't recall the author.) Another good book that is not primarily about indoctrination is called "New World, New Mind" by Robert Ornstein and Paul Ehrlich.

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JohnyCanuck

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:21 AM
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6. Along similar lines............

Brainwashing America
By Dr. Norman Livergood.

The puppet Bush regime is using new, aggressive forms of brainwashing to change the very way Americans think and feel. This is the psychological dimension of the "High Cabal's" general onslaught against American workers, just as the "war on terrorism" is the military dimension and corporate crime and tax cuts for the rich comprise the economic dimension.

We are living under the beginning stages of a military dictatorship in precisely the same way that 1930s Germans suffered under the Nazi regime. As in the case of Nazi Germany, state-sponsored propaganda (brainwashing) is a vital part of the Bush regime's strategy.

<snip>

In an earlier article, I reviewed the varied aspects of personality profiling and simulation. While serving as Head of the Artificial Intelligence Department at the U.S. Army War College, 1993-1995, I conducted studies on profiling, psychological programming, and brainwashing. I explored and developed personality simulation systems, an advanced technology used in military war games, FBI profiling, political campaigning, and advertising. Part of my discovery was that:

unenlightened human minds are combinations of infantile beliefs and emotional patterns

these patterns can be simulated in profiling systems

these profiling systems can be used to program and control people

Personality simulation systems are being used to create political campaigns that apply voter profiles to control their voting behavior. TV commercials and programs use personality simulation to profile viewers to control their purchasing and viewing behaviors. And sophisticated propaganda and brainwashing techniques are being used by the Bush junta to keep American citizens under control.

http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm

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chelaque liberal

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Tue Apr-06-04 09:01 AM
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23. I wish he hadn't used the term "puppet"

His opinion, as valid as I believe it is, is too easy to dismiss because of it's obvious bias against the subject.

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sniffa

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:16 AM
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4. is bLix credibLe?

i mean, c'mon now... he couLdn't find ANY wmds in iraq. :eyes:

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54anickel

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:22 AM
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7. HA!!! LMAO! That's great.

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sniffa

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:24 AM
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8. couLdn't find those mobiLe weapons Labs either

;)

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Cooley Hurd

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:25 AM
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9. That's because there were no WMD's in Iraq...

Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 08:29 AM by alg0912

On edit: My irony sensors must be out to lunch... Good one, sniffa! :thumbsup:

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FlaGranny

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:29 AM
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12. I think that was

what you call sarcasm. ;-)

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sniffa

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:51 AM
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19. sorry

i've been trying to indicate my sarcastic posts with smiLies. from now on 99% of my posts can be considered cynicaL and ironic.

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chelaque liberal

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:52 AM
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20. You know he was opposed to the war....

What value can there be in his opinion if if didn't even understand that the US HAD to invade Iraq?

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sniffa

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Tue Apr-06-04 09:01 AM
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24. we HAD to invade

first you get the oiL, then you get the power, then you get the women.

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lumpy

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:18 AM
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5. Only an idiot could claim

that Iraq is better off. The plight of that country is not going to get any better any time soon. The same could be said for the good ol' U.S.of A.

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chelaque liberal

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:57 AM
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22. Like the entire Bush Maladministration?

I think you are being generous if you are only calling them idiots.

If you are refering to the sheeple who listen to Faux News and Rush, I guess you are right.

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Walt Starr

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:25 AM
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10. Blix is 100% correct, the Iraqis were better off under Saddam

anybody claiming otherwise is naive, a Bush supporter, or simply cannot admit we've royally fucked that country up.

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Karenina

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:31 AM
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14. or deaf, dumb and blind?

:shrug:

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0007

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:32 AM
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15. .....and anyone not outraged is not paying attention

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Mr.Green93

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Tue Apr-06-04 09:10 AM
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25. should Saddam be returned to power?

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daleo

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Wed Apr-07-04 12:30 AM
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31. Bushco is probably working on that right now

I believe they will refer to it as "Plan B".

I can see Rummy now, "You know old Saddam wasn't really so bad. I remember our long interesting talks about the merits of the different chemical weapons we were selling him - you should talk to your dad about it, W. Remember, he did a heck of a job keeping those Iranians pinned down for us."

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Windy

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:27 AM
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11. We're trying to change a culture that has been

Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 08:27 AM by Windy

in existence for thousands of years. While Saddam was ruthless and sadistic, apparently he found that the only way to keep radical Muslims under control was through fear and intimidation. It was wrong, but no more wrong than we are in trying to change the middle east into a copy of America. It won't happen. There will be more death and destruction. We have entered a quagmire which is worse than Vietnam because it is cultural... in their eyes, we are attacking what they hold most dear. Their religion and way of life.

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FlaGranny

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:31 AM
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13. Hmmm - fear and intimidation

Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 08:31 AM by FlaGranny

seems to be the method the bushies are using here, on a smaller scale.

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truthspeaker

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:33 AM
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16. Saddam was a sadistic, brutal thug

And the fact that Iraqis are worse off now tells you just how fucked up our occupation is.

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pippin

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:44 AM
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17. Substitute:George Bush is a sadistic, brutal thug

The difference now is that Sadam was a local thug and Bush is global tyrant.

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saigon68

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:46 AM
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18. Global Tyrant

Ya that works

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LibDemAlways

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Tue Apr-06-04 08:57 AM
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21. Maybe the Iraqis put up with Saddam because

he provided an infrastructure and kept the various factions under control. With him gone there's clearly a vacuum and chaos. For the regime in DC to even entertain the notion that the Iraqis needed to be "liberated" - by Westerners, no less - was beyond stupid and arrogant. It was criminal. What's perhaps worse is that "liberating" the people was always secondary to liberating the oil and creating big profits for Halliburton.

Just before the invasion a repuke aquaintance told me the war was necessary because Saddam was "evil." My response - Bush is evil, and the Iraqi people will never accept this. Guess who I haven't heard from lately? Truth must hurt.

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WillyT

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Tue Apr-06-04 03:17 PM
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26. Well... Somebody Had To Say It !!!

Sigh...

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tom_paine

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Tue Apr-06-04 04:14 PM
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27. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Blix is right

Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 04:14 PM by tom_paine

Cold comfort, for sure in that they probably weren't signifcantly better off under Saddam but it looks like they exchanged one Tyranny for a slightly "kinder and genlter" (it won't be when the Bushevik Mukhabarat gets started after the cameras leave) Tyranny run by foreigners.

Ugh! What a tragedy for us all.

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The_Casual_Observer

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Tue Apr-06-04 04:19 PM
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28. No politician in the US has the NERVE to say it

so here it is, from Mr. mild mannered polite diplomatic guy.

Soon everybody will be saying it, even Pat Roberts!

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oasis

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Tue Apr-06-04 07:12 PM
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29. Bottom line: Americans are not better off with this quagmire in Iraq.

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dArKeR

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Tue Apr-06-04 10:03 PM
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30. 'Iraq war laid a foundation for more terror' - IOL

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=3&art_id=qw1081261083242B262&set_id=1

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