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DeathvadeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:05 AM
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Blair hit hard by suicide scandal
LONDON—A visibly shaken Prime Minister Tony Blair has pleaded for restraint while facing tough questions about "blood on his hands" in the apparent suicide of a leading British government scientist.

Already reeling under the biggest political crisis of his premiership, the pressure on Blair increased significantly yesterday when a respected member of his own Labour party, former cabinet minister Glenda Jackson, called for his resignation.

But perhaps the biggest blow came from the grieving family of David Kelly, a scientist caught up in charges that Blair's office doctored intelligence about Iraq's weapons. They made clear that Blair and his government should consider the role they played in making his life "intolerable."

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DeathvadeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:09 AM
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1. Blair to give evidence at Kelly inquiry
Tony Blair, his head of communications Alastair Campbell and UK defence secretary Geoff Hoon will be called to give evidence on the government's treatment of David Kelly, the weapons expert who apparently committed suicide over the Iraq dossier row.

Lord Hutton, the judge leading the inquiry into Mr Kelly's death, said on Friday the three men would face cross-examination if the inquiry found evidence that left them open to criticism.

The unexpected decision means the inquiry - which began as Mr Blair flew off on holiday on Friday - could stretch well into the autumn, casting a shadow over this year's political party conferences.

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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:11 AM
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2. resign, poodle
you are finished.
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quilp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:16 AM
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4. This could only happen in a country where its leader has a conscience.
Blair is being held accountable. But he also feels some personal responsiblity for what happened. Neither case applies to Bush.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:29 AM
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7. If Bush drove a man to suicide, he would just laugh.
Seriously.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 12:33 PM
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13. Bush doesn't drive them
to suicide, he assists in them
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:14 AM
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3. How many times have we heard that before?
I'm so sick of hearing how Tony Blair is going to be deposed or given a no confidence vote or turned on by his party, I don't know what to do.

Brits drew a line in the sand when he decided to take them to war without a UN resolution (his own stated requirement) and without evidence of weapons of mass destruction -- and nothing happened. Here we go again. The Brits huff and they puff but they just can't seem to blow the house down.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:28 AM
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6. There is no clear successor to Blair.
Edited on Fri Aug-01-03 11:50 AM by grytpype
People in the UK seem to think that Blair is the only person in their entire Parliament who is capable of being PM, don't know why, but they think that. That gives Blair a lot of support from MPs who are uncertain of what might happen next if Blair goes.
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quilp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 12:18 PM
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12. We are given the same crap over here. No alternative to Bush!
We've actually got a media trying to convince us that the Democratic candidates don't have the credentials to challenge Bush.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:16 AM
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5. "Tony Blair has pleaded for restraint ..."
Edited on Fri Aug-01-03 11:17 AM by Monica_L
When tens of millions of peace activists took to the streets last winter asking for restraint, Blair's response was "f**k off."

I love it when karma kicks in.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:31 AM
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8. Right on, Monica!
Where was the effing restraint when Kelly needed it? Bastards.

:nopity:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:41 AM
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10. POODLE BLAIR TO LICK HAND OF HIS MASTER
Maybe the CHIMPANZEE will give him a position in some such advisory council like Perle
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 01:10 PM
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15. Justice might be deaf dumb and blind but
Poetic Justice has 20/20 vision!
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NickDanger Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 03:12 PM
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20. Sad result of getting in bed with Bush
Death and destruction.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:36 AM
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9. the man who started war over flimsy evidence wants
Restraint?

should shrub and poodle not be judged by their own standards of nonrestraint?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:52 AM
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11. Gee, how nice for Bush to have Kelly out of the way so he can "find" WMD
without any knowledgable people to badger him. Low and behold, just after Kelly dies we have a "surprise" find in Iraq.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 02:59 PM
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18. They haven't actually said they've found something, have they? n/t
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 01:09 PM
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14. "Police have not officially confirmed it was suicide"
No Shit Sherlock!
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knowledgeispower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 01:47 PM
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16. I did not know this
The way the media keeps calling it a "suicide," you would think that it was made official a long time ago. Of course, anyone with brains knows that the suicide theory is quite unlikely.
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 03:46 PM
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23. If I am remembering correctly Blair had just received all those ovations
during that press conference here in the states...when this story broke in the UK... as far as I could tell when the story first broke identification of the body had not yet been confirmed...the very next news articles coming out of the UK was Blairs condolenses on the suicide. His people spun it toward suicide almost immediately.

I really haven't followed the story close close, but I had my doubts on the suicide call from jump. It is why I am not surprised finally it should surface that cause of death has not be established.

Blair naming it suicide so fast was too convenient for my tastes..and as I said the story had pretty much just broke and identity had not been firmly established before Blair made the call.
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 03:49 PM
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24. BTW I am not making it up
I pulled the quote from the article, but as well know very little has to do with truth these days, so who knows. I just wasn't surprised to have encountered the quote: ergo my sarcasm about it.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 07:55 PM
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25. It wasn't a suicide not matter what the Police confirm! It's a JFK suicide
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librarycard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 02:48 PM
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17. Under Clinton, Blair's face was a Doris Day rapture of marital euphoria
Under Bush, it's like he's playing charades when sober.
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Gingersnap Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 03:45 PM
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22. LOL you made me spill my lemonade! (n/t)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 03:11 PM
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19. I would love to watch the hearings
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captain wardrobe Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 03:40 PM
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21.  how about this? tin foil hat on NOW, please...

from an earlier post i made

what if Kelly had the rub on the government...he knew the real reasons for the wests expansion into perpetual war...

the gauding (ie bombing and occupation) of the middle east and Korea and the continiuing plans for Africa...
Does anyone remember all the fuss about 'the new Asian miracle'
that was being bandied about in the late 90's...economic plans for exploding capital and labour markets
was the whole foot and mouth episode ...a dry-run for something?
to see how far they could go...
was it really foot and mouth disease????
they did seem adamant on destroying thousands upon thousands of animals....

Maybe Dr Kelly set his own suicide up to look like a inside job to bring down the house of cards and save millions of lives...
what kind of info do you think an ex porton down scientist;
(Head of microbiology no less in 92) would have?...one that also worked investigating the former soviet blocks...
chemical and biological capabilities...was this the beginning of a the hidden cold war...between the G8 powers...for economic dominance...maybe, Dr strangelove stylee...they meet up and bitch and work out little plans for annihilating one anothers economic power base...hmmm SARS?

perhaps socio economic bio-warfare is happening right now...


woooooo hoooo!!!!

then again Dr Kelly just might have done himself in because he knew a super man-made virus was on the loose and we're all for it!!!!


naaah!!! that's going too far

?
i mean if the secret services or whoever these f**kos are can't be bothered to do a tidy job...how arrogant is that...
that is power ...scary.

what scares me more is that these maniacs might just plan another atrocity to justify their power base...like another BIG terrorist attack...with the help of their chosen media they can be made to look
oh so brave and fearless...it worked the last time...
we march in the streets they break our heads...
how long before they shoot to kill???


by the way ,
saw terminator 3 today...
there is a scene on a bus where a backwards flag can be seen
woooooo!!!!!

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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 08:05 PM
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26. Blair needs to pay politically and morally for his role in this
terrible tragedy. I hope Dr. Kelly's family will not let him off the hook.
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