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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 05:27 PM
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Suleiman calls for end to protests
Source: Al Jazeera

Egypt's newly appointed vice-president has said that anti-government protests must stop before dialogue can begin with opposition groups.

Omar Suleiman made the comments on Wednesday, amid violent clashes in central Cairo between pro-and anti-government demonstrators that have left at least one dead and hundreds injured.

Suleiman, the former head of intelligence named vice-president on Saturday by President Hosni Mubarak, urged demonstrators to respect an earlier call from the Egyptian army and return to their homes, state media said.

Suleiman called on "all citizens to respond to our armed forces's call to return to your homes and respect the curfew, to support the state's efforts to restore calm and stability.

Read more: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/20112220474650549.html
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 05:29 PM
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1. "support the state's efforts to restore calm and stability" is a total lie.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 05:32 PM
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5. Calm and stability = Shut the fuck up and get back to work.
Good luck to them with that one, especially from one of Mubarak's toadies.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 05:35 PM
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6. If there government promoted stability.
Why are the people in the streets?

What they don't get, is they are the chaos factor by the consolidations of wealth and wanting power to control. That creates the situation. If those people saw there leaders in the same situations they were in, then they might not be as upset about some of the conditions.

It is so simple, of coarse they want the government to change, the government created chaos in their lives by consolidations and lack of democracy, and the protesters are striving for order by removing those consolidations from unjust positions of claims of authority.
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decidedlyso Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 06:09 PM
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10. We need to get a message to the protesters that if they stop it
will be at their great peril. Suleiman is a terrorist thug.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 07:15 PM
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20. No doubt they know that better than we do.
They don't trust anyone from the Mubarak admin.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 05:30 PM
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2. Convenient.
:tinfoilhat:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 05:32 PM
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3. Pssst... Omar.... They aren't listening to you, either
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 05:32 PM
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4. What is Arabic for GFY?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 05:43 PM
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7. I'm sure it's colorful. But they've got even better insults - it's an old culture. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 05:45 PM
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8. A dictator now has put a torturer in charge? America's shame in Suleiman!!
Edited on Wed Feb-02-11 05:46 PM by defendandprotect
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 07:00 PM
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17. Kinda like Bush & Cheney
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decidedlyso Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 06:01 PM
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9. This piece of garbage will be worse than Mubarak. This is Saddam
Hussein at his worst on steroids. If the protesters retreat now, many will die or be imprisoned and/or tortured.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:28 PM
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25. What proof do you have to back up what you state? n/t
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decidedlyso Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 02:14 AM
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30. Here. You need to starting researching stuff yourself and stop
automatically taking the obtuse position. Suleiman is a cruel monster.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/01/30-2
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TMcCaleb Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:38 PM
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27. he's
popular with the army
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TMcCaleb Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:39 PM
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28. thats
a bit extreme
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decidedlyso Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 02:16 AM
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31. Oh, really? He makes Dick Cheney look like Little Bo Peep. Here.
This just one link. There are man, but you'll have to find them. If Suleiman gets into power, he will torture and kill all the Egyptians who went against Mubarak. Course, then, maybe that is your preference.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/01/30-2
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 06:34 PM
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11. The plan is to create enough
street violence so that the military is forced to intervene indiscriminately to restore civil order. Since the overwhelming majority of protesters support the non-violent overthrow of their government they will be the primary victims. They will become radicalized. Their radicalization will force a harsher crackdown by the military and allow the security thugs who precipitated the violence to return in uniform as legitimate peace keepers.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 06:39 PM
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12. Is that how you see things playing out?
Is there an alternative for protesters who do not want to see that happen?
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 07:01 PM
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18. Yes, it is
Yes, they must encourage the military to abolish the current regime and assume the reigns of power, appoint a civilian caretaker government and establishes a date certain for national elections.
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decidedlyso Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 02:24 AM
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33. Gone too far for that. Too many dead now. Nor will they be able to
encourage this military to do anything.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 06:44 PM
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14. Opposition leaders could offer to begin negotiating and things might not have to play out as you
Edited on Wed Feb-02-11 06:44 PM by wisteria
theorize. It seems now the anti-government protesters are becoming anti-American.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 07:07 PM
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19. There is nothing to negotiate.
Edited on Wed Feb-02-11 07:09 PM by sulphurdunn
It's win or loose, winner take all time. Of course the protesters are anti-American. They know with whom their current government has been partnered since Mubarak took over. That would all be forgiven if not forgotten in time if we just for once actually backed the forces of democracy somewhere.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:10 PM
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23. It may be possible, though unlikely, that the anti-government protesters end up not gaining anything
for all their efforts.
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decidedlyso Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 02:25 AM
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34. Everyone there is anti-American, as is most of the middle east.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 06:41 PM
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13. Why won't they even attempt to negotiate? Their unwillingness to even give a little makes me think
there is something else going on.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 06:48 PM
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16. If you agree to negotiate, you agree to keeping the old power structures intact.
No new beginning, just a new boss to replace the old boss, and some gestures towards respect for the common will. And most likely a lot of disappearances to discourage any demonstrations in the future.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:19 PM
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24. If the point is to gain democracy, and improve the living conditions of the Egyptian people,
Edited on Wed Feb-02-11 09:27 PM by wisteria
the opposition already has proven itself to be a force and they have been heard, Marbarak has agreed to changes. I agree he needs to step aside, but I think he should remain during a transition period. He has also stated that he understands the needs of those protesting. Why not extend an olive branch cautiously and see what happens.Change takes time, nothing good really happens overnight. I don't want to see more violence which get no one anywhere. I think the protesters have already won, why not behave like hero's and work with the current government to transition to a better government?
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 06:47 PM
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15. Uh, you didn't think the U.S., the promoter of state terrorism, would allow
any sort of democracy to take root in Egypt, did you? Ha hahaha....silly person.

You can be ASSURED that Clinton and Obama are arranging things behind the scenes as we speak. New boss....same as the old.

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decidedlyso Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 02:26 AM
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35. Exactly. But they will get the new boss to pretend for a while, then
start turning the screws.
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james0tucson Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 07:48 PM
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21. I don't think he gets the picture.
The People are saying that the *goverment* "must stop", period. They aren't interested in "dialogue". They don't consider themselves "opposition groups." The very LAST thing they want is "calm and stability".

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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 08:25 PM
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22. This piece of horse manure should not be accepted for any position of power.
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TMcCaleb Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:40 PM
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29. he's
Edited on Wed Feb-02-11 09:49 PM by TMcCaleb
somewhat better than the muslim brotherhood
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TMcCaleb Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:37 PM
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26. he's right
Egypt needs an orderly transition.
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decidedlyso Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 02:21 AM
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32. No, it does not-- It needs an expeditious transition, like yesterday. Are
you here on assignment?
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