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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:03 AM
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Food costs at records, no let up on prices
Source: Reuters

World food prices hit a record in January and recent catastrophic weather around the globe could put yet more pressure on the cost of food, an issue that has already helped spark protests across the Middle East.

Up for the seventh month in a row, the closely watched Food and Agriculture Oganisation Food Price Index on Thursday touched its highest since records began in 1990, and topped the peak of 224.1 in June 2008, during the food crisis of 2007/08.

"The new figures clearly show that the upward pressure on world food prices is not abating. These high prices are likely to persist in the months to come," FAO economist and grains expert Abdolreza Abbassian said in a statement.

Surging food prices have come back into the spotlight after they helped fuel the discontent that toppled Tunisia's president in January and have spilled over to Egypt and Jordan, raising expectations other countries in the region would secure grain stocks to reassure their populations.



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/03/idINIndia-54633520110203
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:17 AM
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1. No SS COLA increase....Guess cat food is going to be more than just a metaphor
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:51 AM
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3. No kidding.
Gas prices are through the roof, my Medicare supplement premiums increased by $24 a month, utility bills went up - it's going to be a long year.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 03:56 PM
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7. +10000
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jkappy Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:49 PM
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12. Home Fuel Bills Way Up....
3.85 gallon for kerosene (necessity for outdoor tanks in north and east) and about 3.55 a gallon for regular heating fuel. this is new york state. and yes no COLA???
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:10 AM
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4. I didn't think I was that old but....
I remember when it was not 'just a metaphor'. In the late 60's early 70's the elderly had a cruel choice between meds or food. There were many eating catfood tuna instead of buying tuna (then about the cheapest source of protein one could eat. That is when they started doing the cola adjustments. How quickly we forget.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:21 AM
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5. some older people are still eating cat food
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 11:30 AM by CountAllVotes
It is no joke! Not too long ago I was at the grocery store and before me was an old man with 4 cans of cat food. He had about $1.00+ some change - short of what he needed for the 4 cans and it was not for a cat. Judging by his appearance he was about as broke as a human could possibly be. I gave the clerk at the register the balance due which wasn't much. Said man just looked at me and nodded his head and shuffled slowly out of the store.

God damn this country for allowing this sort of thing to go on!

If there is a COLA you can be assured it will be quickly sucked up by an increase in Medicare. :grr:

:kick:

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 03:57 PM
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8. and lots will soon be eating cat food...
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:19 AM
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17. SS puts your COLA in one pocket.....
And Medicare takes a chunk of it out of your other pocket.

Don't get me wrong. Medicare is wonderful. Everybody should have it and would if we weren't governed by wusses who don't have the guts to fight for it. But Medicare should cover everything. The last time I looked in the mirror my teeth and eyes were a part of my body. There is no reason why dental and eyeglass coverage should be excluded in Medicare.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:03 PM
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23. some people seem to think that Medicare is free
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 12:19 PM by CountAllVotes
Just the other day I was speaking with an acquaintance and said person stated that Medicare is free. I told this person that Medicare is not free and that some people can pay up wards of $200.00 a month for it (and that is without a supplemental plan) depending on what their income is. This person is married to a real right winger and I suspect their mind is being poisoned by the non-stop diatribe being spewed.

I was then asked, "How do you pay for this?". I told the person that the cost is deducted from one's Social Security check. :dunce:

I found this to be quite disturbing as this person works in a field which involves laws and practices surrounding worker's law and compensation.

I'm having to seriously consider if I can continue my relationship with this person as they seem to believe the B.S. they are hearing from a Tea Party fool.

The day will come when everyone eventually ends up on Medicare like it or not and no, it does not pay for everything and the limits can be reached quickly leaving one with some huge bills if they do not have a pricey supplemental plan to cover the rest of the costs not paid by Medicare (and this doesn't include "everything else").

I agree, it is shameful that Medicare doesn't cover dentistry nor eye glasses and many other things people need like specific types of durable medical equipment and oh yeah, drugs if you are a Part D participant.

As for the cat food, this too is nothing new nor shocking to me. I guess I lived in a large city for too long.

And yes, the change you can believe in is that any COLA you might see in the future will be sucked up immediately by an increase in the cost that one pays for Medicare. :grr:

:kick:



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alc Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:47 AM
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2. it's good that turning crops into fuel doesn't increase food price
At least that's what corn farmers and many other say. Things would really be bad if using crops for fuel did increase food cost. But I guess it's not since corn farmers wouldn't lie to us and the government wouldn't do something to favor special interests, so let's move to 15% ethanol and only subsidize it in the US if it's made from corn.
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social_critic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:24 AM
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6. Brazil's biofuels are much more efficient
The US biofuel industry is heavily subsidized and does increase food prices. Brazil's biofuels work using a different technology - they use cane sugar. This means the CO2 load is much lower, and the ethanol is much cheaper to produce. The key to the Brazilian industry has also been the gradual shift of land from cattle grazing to sugar cane production, or the use of land which was not being used. As the industry has grown it has also helped the rural population improve its earning power. They are still very poor, but things are improving, and hopefully it'll keep getting better.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 04:03 PM
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9. They lie. If farmers are planting corn for biofuel instead of food crops...
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 04:03 PM by BrklynLiberal
prices of food crops HAVE gone up. Don't let anyone tell you any different.

And the change from other crops to biofuel crops does not do any good for the environment either.

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/the_case_against_biofuels_probing_ethanols_hidden_costs_/2251/



<snip>

A pair of 2008 studies, again in Science, focused on the question of greenhouse gas emissions due to land-use shifts resulting from biofuels. One study said that if land is converted from rainforests, peatlands, savannas, or grasslands to produce biofuels, it causes a large net increase in greenhouse gas emissions for decades. A second study said that growing corn for ethanol in the U.S., for example, can lead to the clearing of forests and other wild lands in the developing world for food corn, which also causes a surge in greenhouse gas emissions.

A third study, by Nobel-Prize winning chemist Paul Crutzen in 2007, emphasized the impact from the heavy applications of nitrogen needed to grow expanded feedstocks of corn and rapeseed. The nitrogen necessary to grow these crops releases nitrous oxide into the atmosphere — a greenhouse gas 296 times more damaging than CO2 — and contributes more to global warming than biofuels save through fossil fuel reductions.

Thus have biofuels made the slow fade from green to brown. It is a sad irony of the biofuels experience that resource alternatives that seemed farmer-friendly and green have turned out so badly.

<snip>

{/div]
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 05:07 PM
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10. It is always bread and food costs that fuel revolutions.
Remember "let them eat cake"? It was the price of bread that started the guillotines working.

The real tea party in the American colonies was about the price of tea. The tax was to prevent Americans from buying cheaper tea from local tea shops that got their supply from South America and NOT the East India Company, that the British aristocracy owned.

Seems Wall Street and speculators may inadvertently start another wave of revolution.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 05:46 PM
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11. I don't see why the cost of food is excluded from whatever it is they calculate
to determine if SS recipients get a COLA. It makes no sense.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:36 PM
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15. If it weakens social security, that's what they want, even if it makes no sense.
Get it?
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:58 AM
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20. Sure it does!
You people need to learn to appreciate the fine flavor of a DVD player or a flat screen TV! Cuz the prices dropping on those is what's important, not some crap like food or heating oil or gasoline. :sarcasm:
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:19 PM
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13. There used to be limits on commodities trading --hedging for farmers, not idle speculators.
Limits have been removed in recent years I believe.

Speculators are trading up prices of basic commodities like wheat.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:45 PM
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25. Speculation is exploitation -- capitalism has to go -- !!
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:17 PM
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26. Speculation is only part of the problem. There have been major crop failures in 2010
And 2011 isn't looking much better, unfortunately.

The realities of global climate change are about to bite the human race on the ass, and hard.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:34 PM
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14. "Up for the seventh month in a row..."
....and we were told there was no inflation last year....why would our corporate government lie to us?

....I remember when our war-mongering corporate government wanted cash to play war in the past, they would buy our support with domestic spending....now they don't even bother; the American peoples' support is no longer necessary for war, higher food prices or anything else....

"...upward pressure on world food prices is not abating."

....sad, our lying corporate government has become a private corporate cookie jar and cess-pool with our best interests no longer being considered....
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:45 PM
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16. K&R
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:38 AM
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18. Since the government writes their own report cards, things are always rosy.
Every school kid in American envies that power.

Unfortunately, as a result, 99 and 44/100% of all government reports are shit.

Be nice to see the REAL numbers, wouldn't it?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:54 AM
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19. NOTE: the rise in prices was held off to 2011 so those on SS. wouldn't get compensation
for 2010
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:59 AM
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21. We're all just useless eaters, folks
TPTB need to make their money and that's the only thing that matters!
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Marthe48 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:35 AM
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22. Its WAR rationing
The govt. just saved printing costs on ration books, and big business figured out a way to make more of us suffer from their murderous choices.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:44 PM
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24. If Seniors would organize themselves and unite, they could fight for COLA's.... of course, Congress.
is allegedly there to fight for the public interest -- but think they're busy

counting their money?

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Marthe48 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:37 PM
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28. AARP is supposed to do this
unfortunately- and I do not want to stereotype, but many of the truly elderly have health problems which interfere with their physical or cognitive ability. Younger retirees are squeezed between caring for elderly parents and jobless children or raising grandchildren (I read that more grandparents are guardians for grandchildren than ever before)
so right now it is so easy to screw us over

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 06:02 PM
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31. No -- AARP is an insurance agency .... not a political organization ... if it were ...
it would be in quite some conflict in its interests!!

AARP works to preserve and increase the PRIVATE and insurance interests in the program!

And, it's share of the take!!

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Marthe48 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 09:51 AM
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33. I thought of that after I posted
I think they used to look out for the seniors, until they sold out.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 11:59 AM
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37. It was always an insurance agency ...
meanwhile, seniors evidently have no idea that they need to unite -- and fast!

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:24 PM
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27. How else will the rich get weathier? There have to be losers for some to become extravegantly rich.
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 03:25 PM by w4rma
They take from the rest of us.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 11:59 AM
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38. Exactly ... "Behind all great wealth is great crime" -- !!
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:25 PM
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29. Global food prices hit record high
Source: Al Jazeera English

Problem is set to worsen after a massive snowstorm in the United States and floods in Australia.
Last Modified: Feb 04 2011 05:31 GMT

World food prices have hit their highest level on record in January, the United Nations has said.

It said on Thursday that its Food and Agriculture Organisation Food Price Index rose for the seventh month in a row to reach 231, topping the peak of 224.1 last seen in June 2008.

It is the highest level the index has reached since records began in 1990.

"The new figures clearly show that the upward pressure on world food prices is not abating. These high prices are likely to persist in the months to come," said Abdolreza Abbassian, an economist for FAO, which is based in Rome.

Rising food prices have been cited among the driving forces behind the recent popular revolts in north Africa, including the uprising in Egypt and the toppling of Tunisia's long-time president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali.

Read more: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/2011/02/20112442413591195.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:25 PM
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:20 AM
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32. Egypt here we come.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 10:25 AM
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34. Food cost still lowin US I think
I didn't look up any figures to back me up, but I believe food as a % age of income is still low in the US.

I remember when I was a kid food as a % age of income was much higher.

Also my friends grandma ran a farm back in the 30's and 40's and we were looking at her ledger book from back then and she actually made a good deal of her total income selling eggs which is a fairly marginal thing even for large producers now.

The question like always is how much of the increase now is going to the actual producers??

Maybe if oil goes up enough then long distance transport will cost $$ drive up the price of food more and farmers will get more money by selling direct to the community they live in.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 10:32 AM
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35. Check out the chart at the bottom of the page
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 10:47 AM
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36. This is about the Fed..
... and it's ongoing debasement of the dollar via "quantitative easing". They are determined to save the banks and screw everyone else.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 12:01 PM
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39. Every dollar anyone had pre-W Bush is now worth 50 cents ... !!
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