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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:06 PM
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Bill would create paramilitary group in Montana
Source: Associated Press

Bill would create paramilitary group in Montana
STEPHEN DOCKERY, The Associated Press
Published: 02:37 p.m., Friday, February 4, 2011


HELENA, Mont. (AP) — A Republican legislator from Havre wants to create an armed paramilitary group made up of volunteers called the home guard.

House Bill 278 sponsored by Rep. Wendy Warburton would allow citizens to organize military-like companies that would answer to the governor and sheriffs during emergencies.

Warburton says the home guard would provide fast response services not available during emergencies in the past.

The House State Administration committee held a hearing on the bill on Friday. The measure drew opposition from a Montana Human Rights Network representative who says it could be abused by anti-government extremists.





Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Bill-would-create-paramilitary-group-in-Montana-997076.php



http://www.havredailynews.com.nyud.net:8090/mha-media/photos/2011-02/thumb_8235612-7569468.jpg

Republican Rep. Wendy Warburton
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:13 PM
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1. Oy - the 'home guard'? It reeks of xenophobic paranoia. Nt
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:01 PM
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14. Hey. Nothing wrong with being ready. Wyoming might be planning to invade.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:07 PM
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17. True-blue Vermont and Massachusetts *already* have these.
Geez, get a grip.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:13 PM
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18. Aww that makes me feel all fuzzy warm in the cockles of my heart.
Not.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:20 PM
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20. The Massholes have yet to storm Pawtucket, nor have the Vermonters...
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 05:22 PM by friendly_iconoclast
...occupied the New Hamshire notches (mountain passes, for you flatlanders). Where's the problem?

Oh, yeah, I forgot. It's those people doing it. Can't be having any of that, can we?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:54 PM
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26. But there might be an outbreak Canadian terrorists
Or Mexican daylaborer uprisings.
Something you all call 'thugs'.

It's all paranoia in the name of 'security'.
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:17 PM
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2. Yeah, right
"Warburton says the home guard would provide fast response services not available during emergencies in the past."

Sure, sure. It has nothing whatsover to do with the mean black man coming to take all your guns.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:40 PM
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25. Tell that to the twenty-two states that already have State Guards
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 01:21 PM
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43. Yes, but look at the profile for Wendy Warburton
I stand by my opinion: It's about the scary black man taking away all their guns.

- Gun rights (I’m an NRA and MT Shooting Sports Association member)
- Property rights
- Lower taxes
- Pro-life, pro-family values
- A better climate for business and agriculture
- Natural resource and alternative energy development
- Better opportunities for young Montanans to stay in the state and prosper.

I’m a fourth-generation Montana cowgirl. I was raised on my family’s ranch south of Chinook, where I learned the value and rewards of hard work. I attended Zurich Elementary and graduated from Chinook High School in 1994. As a National Merit Finalist, I earned a full scholarship to Liberty University, a Christian college in Virginia, from which I graduated with honors in 1998. Since then I’ve worked in the nonprofit, business, education, and political fields – a background that provides me with ample experience to draw from as a legislator.

Organizations / affiliations / memberships

* National Rifle Association
* Montana Shooting Sports Association
* Gun Owners of America
* Havre Jaycees
* Concerned Women for America
* Eagle Forum
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:18 PM
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3. go for it! those one million people need protection!
ya never know when the ? are going to invade montana
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:32 PM
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7. Someone has to keep an eye on those crafty Canadians
:)
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chowhound Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:42 PM
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37. ?=tentacled mermaids? .nt.
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Volaris Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:27 PM
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4. Oh for fucks sake.....
ONLY under the banner of SMALL GOVERNMENT Conservatism do people need Legislative approval in order to form self-regimenting group that would help out their neighbors in times of trouble......
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:31 PM
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5. And they could help ATF crack down on firearms violations too!
:rofl:

When I start my Home Guard, it's going to kick the Montana Home Guard's ass.
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Maine_Nurse Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:59 PM
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13. Your state has one, wtmusic. nt
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:39 PM
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35. The state is big government. When they come for my guns
I want to make sure my homiez and I can fight them off. Then the only people who have guns will be those who *should* have guns - just like Germany in the late 1920s.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:32 PM
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6. And how long - miss warbucks - before your good old boys use
them against the minorities in your state? Native Americans are not treated all that well out there if I remember my visit to your dear state.
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Maine_Nurse Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:41 PM
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9. Oh please. Most states have the provision...
and something like 1/3 to nearly 1/2 already have state militias. Been around forever. When is the last time you heard of a state militia "going rogue"??? These groups do some great work and augment other state agencies in times of crisis such as natural disasters.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:33 PM
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23. You're using logic and historical precedent. Please stop.
It makes some of the delicate flowers uncomfortable.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:55 PM
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27. All I hear about state militias is what I hear about Texas and the
border guards. We have the national guard up here and it does all the things that this group would be doing. I for one will keep the guard. They have always done a great job when they are needed.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:20 PM
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33. Please read and educate yourself. This is what is being proposed in Montana:
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:56 PM
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12. Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:39 PM
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24. How many Native Americans has the Washington State Guard massacred?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:57 PM
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28. Guard - we use the national guard for the things that these groups
do. Thank you I will keep our system.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:10 PM
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31. The system proposed in Montana *already exists* in 22 states.
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 06:14 PM by friendly_iconoclast
California, New York, Vermont, Texas, Massachusetts are the ones that come to mind first. And no one is using them to keep the brown people down. Please educate yourself:

Washington State Guard
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Washington State Guard

Formation- 1855

Type- State Defense Force
Legal status- Extant
Purpose/focus- Provide units organized, equipped and trained in the protection of life or property and the preservation of peace, order and public safety under competent orders of State authorities.
Headquarters- Camp Murray, Washington
Region served- Washington, USA
Membership- Volunteer residents and citizens of Washington state
Commander- Colonel Terrance LaRue
Parent organization- Washington State Military Department
Website- http://stateguard.washingtonguard.org/

The Washington State Guard (WSG) is an unpaid State Defense Force for the U.S. state of Washington. It is the third element of the military forces in the Washington Military Department: the Washington Army National Guard, the Washington Air National Guard and State Guard. While the Army and Air Guard, forming part of the Washington National Guard, can be mobilized to federal service, the WSG is only utilized within Washington and is never deployed out of state....

...The Washington State Guard consists of two brigades. The First Infantry Brigade is located at the Seattle Armory and maintains two battalions in Olympia and Everett. The Second Infantry Brigade is located in Spokane. The WSG HQ is located at Camp Murray in Tacoma, Washington. State Guard soldiers drill in a non-pay status one day a month and two days during the summer. However, WSG soldiers can and have been called up to paid State Active Duty to support the Washington Military Department in a variety of missions within the state. They have been deployed to the State Emergency Operation Center and many County Emergency Operation Centers to coordinate National Guard resource request to state/federally declared disasters. State Guard members may resign their enlistment or commission at any time, unless mobilized or in paid State Active Duty status. Most WSG soldiers have served in the military, but some come straight from civilian life.....


http://washingtonguard.org/wsg/Statement.shtml

Mission Statement
The mission of the Washington State Guard is to: Provide units organized, equipped and trained in the protection of life or property and the preservation of peace, order and public safety under competent orders of State authorities.

The Washington State Guard is always ready to: Provide trained personnel to support civil government authority; Provide for the protection and preservation of life or property during natural or manmade disasters or civil emergencies; Rapidly and effectively respond to search, rescue, or recovery operations; Effectively execute State Homeland Defense missions; and Participate as active members and contributing citizens of our local communities.
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Grey Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:41 PM
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8. I thought they already had one, it's called
THE NATIONAL GUARD.

You can't cure stupid.
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Maine_Nurse Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:47 PM
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11. No, the Nat'l Guard can be federalized, the state miltias can't.
Which is why many of them exist. Check out the good work the Alaska State Defense Force does, it might surprise you.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:26 PM
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40. I have met some of these guys and most are too stupid to be mall cops.
The are mostly big guts small brain idiots that like to play authoritaian asshole.

From wikipedia:

"Some reluctance to activate ASDF units originates from liabilities associated with use of firearms by persons who may not have passed psych exams, or other standard to law enforcement minimum requirements. The use of Constable status as a vehicle to avoid current law enforcement standards may be viewed as a legal loophole, more than a legitimate status."
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:42 PM
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10. Oh jesus, NOW I've heard everything.
Oh shit. I haven't? There's more of this crap to come. Fuck'n a!

:eyes: :crazy: :banghead:

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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:05 PM
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15. Twenty-two states (including RW hotbeds Massachusetts and Vermont) *already* have state guards
The underwear soiling over this would be amusing, if it didn't reveal such ignorance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Defense_Forces


State Defense Forces
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State Defense Forces (SDF) (also known as State Guards, State Military Reserves, or State Militias) in the United States are military units that operate under the sole authority of a state government; they are not regulated by the National Guard Bureau nor are they part of the Army National Guard of the United States.<1> State Defense Forces are authorized by state and federal law and are under the command of the governor of each state.

State Defense Forces are distinct from their state's National Guard in that they cannot become federal entities (all National Guard units can be federalized under the Militia Act of 1903 with the creation of the National Guard of the United States). The federal government recognizes State Defense Forces under 32 U.S.C. § 109 which provides that State Defense Forces as a whole may not be called, ordered, or drafted into the Armed Forces of the United States, thus preserving their separation from the National Guard. However, under the same law, individual members serving in the State Defense Force are not exempt from service in the Armed Forces (e.g., draft). NGR 10-4 <4> further states: "State regulations should provide for immediate discharge of SDF members who have been appointed, inducted, enlisted, ordered, or called in the Armed forces of the U.S., or a Reserve component thereof."

Nearly every state has laws authorizing State Defense Forces, and 22 states, plus Puerto Rico, have active SDFs with different levels of activity, support, and strength. State Defense Forces generally operate with emergency management and homeland security missions. Most SDFs are organized as Army units, but Air and Naval units also exist.<2>

List of active State Defense ForcesThere are currently 22 active State Defense Forces. A 2005 Department of Defense report reported twenty-three active SDFs in the United States and Puerto Rico.<23> Since this time, New Jersey has suspended its State Defense Force.<24> Per National Guard Regulation 10-4: "An SDF is a component of the executive department of each State, and is under the exclusive control of the governor or his/her authorized representative."<25>



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Military_Reserve

California State Military Reserve

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California State Military Reserve (CSMR)

The California State Military Reserve (CSMR) is the state defense force of California. The military reserve was formed to provide California a trained and organized military force in the event of a state security emergency when the National Guard is deployed. Its current mission is to assist the National Guard especially in concern to homeland security.

http://www.calguard.ca.gov/casmr/Pages/default.aspx
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:07 PM
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16. Name not quite right
She should change her name from Warburton to Warlover.

But of course if she did that pretty much every single repig would want to do the same.

On the bright side, we're finally seeing a Jobs Program from a repig. Normally, since it is a gov't-funded jobs program, you could say that is bad since it would mean this repig is being a big hypocrite. But it doesn't really matter any more since we all know from documented history that repigs ALWAYS lie and are ALWAYS hypocrites.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:16 PM
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19. I just love ill-informed hysteria on display. I take it you're unaware of the New York Guard?
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 05:17 PM by friendly_iconoclast
Who have, AFAIK, yet to occupy the Meadowlands or militarize the Connecticut border:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Guard

http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/nyg/nyg.html

New York GuardFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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New York Guard


Active 1917 - 1919, 1940 - present
Country United States
Branch New York Division of Military and Naval Affairs
Role "To augment and support the New York military forces."
Website http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/nyg/nyg.html
Commanders
Civilian leadership Governor David Paterson
(Governor of the State of New York)
State military leadership Major General Fergal I. Foley

The New York Guard is the State Defense Force of New York State. As of June 2008, the New York Guard, a recognized command under the New York State's Military law, has line-item funding in the state budget.<1>

Now with a unified command structure, formerly the organization contained an Army Division and an Air Division. The missions of the New York Guard, include augmentation, assistance and support of the New York Army National Guard and New York Air National Guard respectively and aide to civil authorities in New York State. New York also has a New York Naval Militia which, with the State Guard and the Army and Air National Guards, is under the command of the Governor of New York, the Adjutant General and New York's Division of Military and Naval Affairs (DMNA). The New York State Guard is one of the largest and best organized State Guards in the United States and is historically derived from Revolutionary and Civil War era State military units that were reorganized several times in American history in response to various international and domestic crises.

Organized under the Military Law, State of New York, the New York Guard cannot be federalized and cannot be deployed outside New York State without the consent of the governor.

Members of the New York Guard are entitled to many of the benefits accorded members of other components of the 'Organized Militia of the State of New York,' the legal collective term describing the New York Army and Air National Guards, New York Naval Militia and New York Guard. These include 'military leave' for employees of state or local governments and many private employers....
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:06 PM
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30. Huh
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 06:07 PM by bongbong
You're replying to somebody else's post, since nothing in your post applies to anything I said. Or maybe you have an urge to mindread and/or erect Strawmen.

However, if you DID intend your post as a reply to mine, I have a reply to you. Here it is: "Why do you claim the sky is green? Everybody knows it is blue! This is a DIRECT reply to ALL your points!"
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:16 PM
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32. Do you have any evidence this is really supposed to be the Montana Brown Shirts?
If so, I would appreciate seeing it...
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:47 PM
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38. Huh #2
Where did I say it was going to be brownshirts?

You'd better get a refund on that mindreading class you took, stat. :rofl:
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:30 PM
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21. Montana already has several private militia groups
MOM (Militia of Montana) being the best known.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:30 PM
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22. Wendy hearts the freemen.
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savalez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:04 PM
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29. Paranoia big destroya'
:silly:
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pasto76 Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:27 PM
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34. OK why do they have to be armed?
everyone already has a CERT team or otherwise.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:42 PM
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36. Do they have the money to pay for this?
Or are we coastal states gonna have to pitch in (directly or indirectly)... like we do for all those empty unpopulated "heartland" states that cannot support themselves?

I'm sure they won't mind raising state taxes for this. After all, it not education or infrastructure!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:21 PM
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39. Not hyphenated? A marriage of War and Halliburton?
:shrug:
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Toon Me Out Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:45 PM
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41. Also known as...
"Montana"?
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:28 PM
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42. So I have a question
Why cant, say, the drug cartels, form their own militia, and get special priveledges surrounding being armed and doing things in "emergency situations"?

Alternately, why does there need to be legislative action for people in the communities of Montana to organize and plan for emergency situations?
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