Kucinich Wants To Visit Wikileaks Suspect At Brig

Source: AP

(02-04) 15:28 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) --

Ohio congressman Dennis Kucinich has asked the Defense Secretary Robert Gates for a visit with an Army private suspected of giving classified material to WikiLeaks.

Kucinich, a Democrat who is a member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, sent a letter Friday to Gates asking for a visit with Pfc. Bradley Manning.
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Kucinich says he is concerned about reports of Manning's treatment while in custody. Manning's lawyer has filed a complaint with the Quantico commander about the conditions Manning is being held under.
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Online:
Kucinich's letter: kucinich.house.gov/News/


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Is that a Belgian Shepherd?

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That Dennis bit into an olive, cracked his tooth, then sued the cafeteria?

I thought he admitted to that.

you know the stuff for which the GOP is not known, at all.

LOL.

A petty, frivolous lawsuit it was, and one that used resources to which others were far more entitled. You and Dennis seem to have no problem with that.

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is real and that you have a similar incident. Of course YOU wouldn't seek justice in the courts, civil courts are not meant for such trivial things..........:wtf:

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a similar asinine claim. I would be grateful.

I imagine many armchair-quaterbacks believe they have absolute knowledge of what is or is not a valid case to be tried in court. :shrug:

Why did Kucinich have to sue? The cafeteria should have had insurance to cover its loss. Kucinich had a right to have his damages covered. Where was the cafeteria's insurance company? Was the company trying to make a political point by refusing coverage for Kucinich's damages?

The ins co is doing what they always do: refuse to play the claim as first response. Then you take them to court... etc, etc.

In any case, there is only one thing republicans love more than push the whole "tort reform" meme, and that is their hard on for all things torture. So...

He's not a multimillionaire - why should he have to absorb not only the pain and permanent damage but also the expense of someone's mistake?

A lot of people here have never apparently worked in a food service job.

Here's how it works - the cafeteria buys a 5-lb. can of pitted olives from a cafeteria supplier. Olives in a service receptacle where the salads are made are replenished occasionally from the can, as the need arises. Cooks in the cafeteria grab a small handful (with plastic gloves on their hands) and put them on salads.

The olives are pitted by running them through a machine. The machine isn't perfect; every so often an olive misses the pitter.

Unless the workers inspect every olive individually it is impossible to guarantee that one won't slip by (correction - it is possible, but the salad would cost twice as much and no one would buy them).

The common law in the land is that an innocent injured party who has done nothing wrong, has a relationship of sorts with a seller of goods. If the customer gets injured through no fault of his own, but because of an item the seller sells him, then that seller is responsible. Otherwise, the injured party has the burden of the suffering and medical costs for something that he was totally not at fault. AND, the customer was not the one who had a relationship with the original marketer of the olives. The seller had the relationship and/or contract with the original marketer, and was the one charged with choosing a reputable marketer and with inspecting the olives before serving them to customers.

So the seller is responsible to teh injured customer. BUT if the seller thinks it's the marketer's fault, he has the right (and the cost burden) to turn around and seek reimbursement from the marketer.

That's the way it usually works. That's because the customer has no business relationship with the marketer, didn't have a duty to inspect the olives, doesn't have prior history knowledge about whether there have been prior problems with the olives, what can or jar the olives came in (for product #), etc., etc. All that knowledge is in the hands of the seller....the one who had the relationship with the original olive marketer.

That's the way it usually works. If I had to guess, the seller didn't recompense Kucinich because they doubted the olive was the cause of it...he'd waited a long time before demanding $ for it, and the bills were so high that it seemed doubtful all that came from one olive pit (I'm guessing they thought). OR they didn't consult an attorney, who would've told them they're responsible.

Still, Kucinich is a very wealthy man. I'm surprised he let this go public, instead of just footing the bill himself. It harmed his reputation, I think. Although he had every right to demand compensation. Still, the fact that someone has the right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

To me, legal responsibility is irrelevant in a case like this. There is a huge class of misfortunes where *from a practical standpoint* absolutely no one is at fault, and no one has done anything wrong.

If a meteor falls from the sky and destroys my car, I've done absolutely nothing wrong. I can sue the federal government for not scanning the skies 24/7 for objects which may harm me or my property, but it's hardly reasonable for me to assume the federal government has the resources to do this. So if I'm not willing to risk that (admittedly remote) possibility I can perhaps park my car in an underground garage or buy insurance.

Similarly, it's hardly a reasonable assumption that cafeteria workers inspect every olive to be sure it's been properly pitted. What if it went through the pitter, but a pit fragment is left over - should we require x-ray scans of olives prior to being served? In this case, unlike the meteor example, we actually have far more reason to blame Dennis himself for the losses from his injury. He either has lousy dental hygiene or a genetic predisposition to tooth decay, and in both cases he should have bought dental insurance.

"Still, the fact that someone has the right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do." This sounds like a paradox, but it isn't really - you're comparing legal right to ethical or moral right, and with that statement I'd agree 100%.

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You gotta consider the source.

This man has not been convicted of anything.

Unless you know of something. Please pass along. Thanks.

part....

http://www.bradleymanning.org/3134/army-issues-formal-charges-against-bradley-manning/charge-sheet-redacted-manning/


Seriously, this claim that Manning hasn't been charged with anything has been debunked sooooooo many times it's embarassing....

http://www.bradleymanning.org/3163/charge-sheet-html/

Do you have the charge sheets for the guys in the helicopter?

to attempt to do the right thing. K/R

there is someone in Congress that has a HEART!!!

If only we had more like him, the world would be a much more peaceful and compassionate place.

I love your compassion, your heart.

Though I find Kucinich' sympathy for alleged criminals distasteful.

No humanity?

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there are also rumors of torture.

I'm pretty sure Dennis just ate the sammich wrap of his own free will, but hey who knows?

Whenever the brass were expected we used jump through hoops and roll our shit into tiny balls and wrap them with cellophane.

Kucinich has credited his Catholic upbringing with helping to form his social conscience and Catholics are taught that "visiting the imprisoned" is an Act of Mercy.

I know a lot of Catholics (including those of us no longer practicing) who credit the nuns for making us liberal by pounding the Acts of Mercy into our heads.

car....

:patriot: and on edit don't expect the brigsters to be so nice to Manning after the good Senator leaves and that's my opinion.

:) in a hurry as usual.

Dennis should come to the realization that we live in a fascist nation. He won't be allowed to visit the political prisoner, especially one that is a victim of torture.

I have no doubt this Administration to save it's own face and that of it's predecessor that was unveiled through WikiLeaks is subjecting this man to torture. It seems to be a Bush-Obama fantasy fetish. I once thought, as a naive young man, that our nation stood for principles like innocent until proven guilty. But we are in many ways no better than the torturers of Cairo. I have no doubt that this man has been subjected to torture under international conventions to which the U.S. is a signatory.

I feel shame for this nation..............

I believe the rumors about torture and abuse. I hope Kucinich is allowed in, but I am betting that he won't be, his report on Manning's treatment would be too damaging.

Here's why: I worked in military intelligence for many years. Read this guy's analogy and you shall see why.

http://itbegsthequestion.com/archives/3306

Been sayin' it for years.

FWIW the lack of sympathy with some here for Manning, in "enhanced solitary" for months when not convicted of anything, is... unsympathetic.

Civvies get way better treatment, why not Manning?

I mean seriously, Manning is accused of a crime, but solitary confinement pre-trial? No news? No books? All that seems WAY too much for someone with merely charges, not convictions. And isn't that even worse than those Guantanamo detainees who don't even have a single criminal charge on them?

Meanwhile, the perps of the horrible things that Manning allegedly exposed still walk free.

I can sympathize. I've been through the same nightmare due to an unexpectedly hard object in restaurant ice cream. It's been an ordeal of pain and expenditures ever since. Didn't he initially just ask for restitution and the restaurant refused? Kucinich is not a wealthy man and teeth problems can run into thousands of dollars. Dental insurance? Pfft. It's a joke.

He always steps up to the plate to do the right thing. There's not a harder working or more courageous rep in Congress! :patriot:

Being nice to these corporate, neocons never works.

I am in awe of Dennis Kucinich!

:patriot:

:kick:

Please be the government guy who gets to the bottom of this and does the right thing.

of US that can remember what our Constitution clearly states without any political mind control operations.

K&R

And I was very proud to cast those votes. :loveya:

Our congressman Dennis Kucinich....

Just saying.

Imagine........ they are doing that to him?
IN ISOLATION........... imagine that is YOU:

I CAN'T.... THAT'S TORTURE.

It's worse than anything we did to any suspected 'terrorist'

Jesus FUCK!